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Primoz 4/18/2022 11:58am
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I have the 450 ml fidlock because that's the only bottle officially fitting my Bird with a piggyback shock without any adapters. I made an aluminium adapter so I can fit a standard 600 ml bottle in a side-pull cage. Didn't like the fidlock too much, it's too fiddly to put the bottle back into the holder. It did hold there nicely though.
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FullSend 4/18/2022 4:30pm
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The new 2023 Canyon Strive CFR will launch tomorrow (or later this week - but definitley this week).

It's is a carbon-only 160mm Enduro race bike and it still has the Shape Shifter geometry adjustment system. It's also stupidly long, with over 500 mm reach and a 1300mm wheelbase in size L (!). The head tube angle sits at 63°. The BB sits extremely low at 36mm drop and the chain stays are super short at 435mm in every frame size. The geo doesn't seem to make a lot of sense but that seems to be what they went with.

Don't ask me how I know. But I can tell you that this information is straight from someone at Canyon.
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brash 4/18/2022 5:11pm
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was all sounding really good till you said 435mm CS..... Get the CS 90% the length of the reach (or more!) and we are talking.

63 deg H/A, 500mm reach and a short CS is going to be understeer city when tired IMO. You would have to be very pro-active weighting the front wheel.

I also realize I am criticizing a bike I've never ridden lol. But I've owned bikes with similar geo, the Longer CS is better IMO.
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Primoz 4/18/2022 9:12pm
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It's a race bike I guess, getting tired and having sloppy technique shouldn't be that much of a problem for hardcore racers. As in if it is a problem, train more. If the bike is the problem, buy the Spectral.

Maybe that was the logic behind it all?
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bike_futurist 4/18/2022 10:05pm
4/18/2022 10:05pm Edited Date/Time 4/18/2022 10:09pm
Surprising if Canyon has really gone with the 500 for L / 6ft riders -treatment. Thats a bit 2018 geometry thinking if you ask me.
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baronKanon 4/18/2022 10:05pm
4/18/2022 10:05pm
TEAMROBOT wrote:
I think longer chainstays are especially attractive for race bikes because they create a grippier front tire. But there's a better place to argue about the...
I think longer chainstays are especially attractive for race bikes because they create a grippier front tire. But there's a better place to argue about the nuances of chainstay length: https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-Hub,2/The-Internet-Was-Wrong-Short-…
Totally agree
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Karabuka 4/19/2022 1:18am
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metadave wrote:
Seems I need to do a cable routing shit post again? Ok, pardon the following.... The other day a headset routed gravel bike came out if...
Seems I need to do a cable routing shit post again? Ok, pardon the following.... The other day a headset routed gravel bike came out if the box with the caliper not pulled through enough and it took two people to get it to budge. And that was with adding some lubricant to the rubber grommets that the hose passed through. Bikes shouldn't be that difficult to service.

I'm also imagining a basic headset service inusuay do when I'm servicing a form just being bullshit now. Most Enduro bikes I work on also end up with shit kicked bearings after 2-4 years. Now I'll have to remove the brake hose and shifter/dropper cables to replace an upper bearing and it's going to cost the customer $80+ to pop in a new bearing ones I get everything apart, replace it, put it all back together and bleed the brake for something that I do now while I do the fork service.

What is the advantage of this on a mountain bike? PLEASE BIKE DESIGNERS, TELL ME WHAT IT IS. There is zero advantage to customers or service departments to do this. It's not like Enduro and ebike need to save watts with aero routing, so you must just be fucking with everyone, right? Do you understand how accepting a customer is for an extra $80+ fee for something that doesn't actually offer them any advantages?

Headset routing is the new pressfit bottom bracket. Don't buy any bike with it, because it just costs more to fix and causes issues. Nip this one before it even starts to take off please.
I have a feeling the bikes are going in a direction cars have gone some 20 years ago, try to fit as many as possible features with marginal gains into tiniest available space... And then let mechanics deal with this crap while ordinary people pay for it.
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mitch160 wrote:
New canyon strive dropping soon as well
Fo und this one on Instagram before
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mitch160 wrote:
New canyon strive dropping soon as well
gordo58 wrote:
Fo [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/04/19/12424/s1200_IMG_20220419_194102.jpg[/img]und this one on Instagram before
Fo und this one on Instagram before
And I thought my seat was slammed way forward
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Noeserd 4/19/2022 6:04am
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FullSend wrote:
The new 2023 Canyon Strive CFR will launch tomorrow (or later this week - but definitley this week). It's is a carbon-only 160mm Enduro race bike...
The new 2023 Canyon Strive CFR will launch tomorrow (or later this week - but definitley this week).

It's is a carbon-only 160mm Enduro race bike and it still has the Shape Shifter geometry adjustment system. It's also stupidly long, with over 500 mm reach and a 1300mm wheelbase in size L (!). The head tube angle sits at 63°. The BB sits extremely low at 36mm drop and the chain stays are super short at 435mm in every frame size. The geo doesn't seem to make a lot of sense but that seems to be what they went with.

Don't ask me how I know. But I can tell you that this information is straight from someone at Canyon.
So they went the old meta am route which nobody was happy for big sizes, whoops.
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RiderMikeCheck1 4/19/2022 12:37pm
4/19/2022 12:37pm
FullSend wrote:
The new 2023 Canyon Strive CFR will launch tomorrow (or later this week - but definitley this week). It's is a carbon-only 160mm Enduro race bike...
The new 2023 Canyon Strive CFR will launch tomorrow (or later this week - but definitley this week).

It's is a carbon-only 160mm Enduro race bike and it still has the Shape Shifter geometry adjustment system. It's also stupidly long, with over 500 mm reach and a 1300mm wheelbase in size L (!). The head tube angle sits at 63°. The BB sits extremely low at 36mm drop and the chain stays are super short at 435mm in every frame size. The geo doesn't seem to make a lot of sense but that seems to be what they went with.

Don't ask me how I know. But I can tell you that this information is straight from someone at Canyon.
500mm reach on a large is likely while we'll see Jack Moir on a MEDIUM at 6'1".
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somebodyyouusedtoknow 4/19/2022 2:27pm
4/19/2022 2:27pm
his current strive with much taller fork and lower cup extension had a reach around 440mm, so maybe even small size :D
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Fred_Pop 4/19/2022 11:20pm
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mitch160 wrote:
New canyon strive dropping soon as well
gordo58 wrote:
Fo [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/04/19/12424/s1200_IMG_20220419_194102.jpg[/img]und this one on Instagram before
Fo und this one on Instagram before
boozed wrote:
And I thought my seat was slammed way forward
Guess the seat angle isn't steep enough...back to the drawing board Canyon.
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krabo83 4/20/2022 12:44am
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Fred_Pop wrote:
Guess the seat angle isn't steep enough...back to the drawing board Canyon.
or the bike is just too long.
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lickmycrinkle 4/20/2022 5:15am
4/20/2022 5:15am
Several Lyrik D1 parts are listed as available from 25/04 at a European distro. It is the suffix for the Flight Attendant chassis, so it might signal the announcement, but might just be normal availability for spares for FA.
Erwan_Ghesquiere 4/20/2022 5:52am
4/20/2022 5:52am
FullSend wrote:
The new 2023 Canyon Strive CFR will launch tomorrow (or later this week - but definitley this week). It's is a carbon-only 160mm Enduro race bike...
The new 2023 Canyon Strive CFR will launch tomorrow (or later this week - but definitley this week).

It's is a carbon-only 160mm Enduro race bike and it still has the Shape Shifter geometry adjustment system. It's also stupidly long, with over 500 mm reach and a 1300mm wheelbase in size L (!). The head tube angle sits at 63°. The BB sits extremely low at 36mm drop and the chain stays are super short at 435mm in every frame size. The geo doesn't seem to make a lot of sense but that seems to be what they went with.

Don't ask me how I know. But I can tell you that this information is straight from someone at Canyon.
Noeserd wrote:
So they went the old meta am route which nobody was happy for big sizes, whoops.
The M size is 480mm reach, which is my prefered reached at 180cm tall. Usually I have to take a frame size L but when you consider that 180cm is the average height for males in Europe, it makes sense that the size Medium is what I should pick. Now if you buy your bike by size rather than looking a the Geo chart, nothing can fix that really. They could have go the Spé route and go S1, S2, ... and nobody would have blinked ...
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bulletbass man 4/20/2022 7:09am
4/20/2022 7:09am
FullSend wrote:
The new 2023 Canyon Strive CFR will launch tomorrow (or later this week - but definitley this week). It's is a carbon-only 160mm Enduro race bike...
The new 2023 Canyon Strive CFR will launch tomorrow (or later this week - but definitley this week).

It's is a carbon-only 160mm Enduro race bike and it still has the Shape Shifter geometry adjustment system. It's also stupidly long, with over 500 mm reach and a 1300mm wheelbase in size L (!). The head tube angle sits at 63°. The BB sits extremely low at 36mm drop and the chain stays are super short at 435mm in every frame size. The geo doesn't seem to make a lot of sense but that seems to be what they went with.

Don't ask me how I know. But I can tell you that this information is straight from someone at Canyon.
Noeserd wrote:
So they went the old meta am route which nobody was happy for big sizes, whoops.
Erwan_Ghesquiere wrote:
The M size is 480mm reach, which is my prefered reached at 180cm tall. Usually I have to take a frame size L but when you...
The M size is 480mm reach, which is my prefered reached at 180cm tall. Usually I have to take a frame size L but when you consider that 180cm is the average height for males in Europe, it makes sense that the size Medium is what I should pick. Now if you buy your bike by size rather than looking a the Geo chart, nothing can fix that really. They could have go the Spé route and go S1, S2, ... and nobody would have blinked ...
I think their disappointment is in the short and non size specific chainstays. 435 is on the shorter side for a bike with 450-460 reach at this travel. Would be significantly shorter than my medium spire, but not necessarily a bad thing if you are racing though I’d go longer before shorter personally. I’d also ride one of these bikes in a small all day long and just ride with a longer stem and clips.

Then you just start growing the top tube/downtube for each size. Every size up forces a different riding position and bike balance. What was a fairly short rear center by current standards in a size small is comical in the xl.
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Very preliminary opinion from someone on the Meta 29 with 495 reach and 435 chainstays after a few rides:
It’s stupidly easy to pick up the rear wheel and throw it around tight corners. Not the „you have to lean into it“ kind of corner but the euro almost switchback corner. Had the previous meta before that with 460/432 and I feel like the more forward weight bias helps a lot with that.

I’m a pretty mediocre rider at best and my attempts at riding switchbacks have become noticeably better.

With EWS tracks being tighter and slower speeds than DH tracks maybe this was their thinking? I can’t imagine the Canyon engineers not listening to their pros when the current roster is so successful. But then again they made the front center stupidly long lol
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29 wrote:
Very preliminary opinion from someone on the Meta 29 with 495 reach and 435 chainstays after a few rides: It’s stupidly easy to pick up the...
Very preliminary opinion from someone on the Meta 29 with 495 reach and 435 chainstays after a few rides:
It’s stupidly easy to pick up the rear wheel and throw it around tight corners. Not the „you have to lean into it“ kind of corner but the euro almost switchback corner. Had the previous meta before that with 460/432 and I feel like the more forward weight bias helps a lot with that.

I’m a pretty mediocre rider at best and my attempts at riding switchbacks have become noticeably better.

With EWS tracks being tighter and slower speeds than DH tracks maybe this was their thinking? I can’t imagine the Canyon engineers not listening to their pros when the current roster is so successful. But then again they made the front center stupidly long lol
The counter point to that would be that the longer reach paired with the short rear end would mean the rider has to more aggressively weight the front. Which would likely be very tiring at race pace over several EWS stages.
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RiderMikeCheck1 4/20/2022 9:06am
4/20/2022 9:06am
The new Canyon just needs to shift the sizing naming 'up' a rung. So the current XL is actually as XXL, which would make the 480 reach 'medium' a large. And then they need to add a real small in there, around 425/430. OR do what's much better and do 6 sizes, S1-S6 and stop the madness with the 'small' 'medium' 'large' crap for MTBs.
TheShortestCharles 4/20/2022 3:34pm
4/20/2022 3:34pm
Cascade teasing a custom DHX2 shock eyelet...possibly a sort of geometry adjustment/MX conversion for bikes without a dedicated flip chip?
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mixmastamikal 4/20/2022 5:02pm
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RiderMikeCheck1 wrote:
The new Canyon just needs to shift the sizing naming 'up' a rung. So the current XL is actually as XXL, which would make the 480...
The new Canyon just needs to shift the sizing naming 'up' a rung. So the current XL is actually as XXL, which would make the 480 reach 'medium' a large. And then they need to add a real small in there, around 425/430. OR do what's much better and do 6 sizes, S1-S6 and stop the madness with the 'small' 'medium' 'large' crap for MTBs.
I hate the S, M, L. . . . nomenclature as well and think it will definitely cause people to over bike because physiologically they don't want to be on a small or medium. Kind of like the story that gets told about NASA having to change the urination condom sizes from small, medium, large to large, gigantic, humongous since all of the astronauts picked up large regardless of their size. I think changing it to S1, S2, . . . forces people to consider the geo a little more.
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brash 4/20/2022 9:02pm
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TheShortestCharles wrote:
Cascade teasing a custom DHX2 shock eyelet...possibly a sort of geometry adjustment/MX conversion for bikes without a dedicated flip chip? [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/04/20/12425/s1200_Screenshot_20220420_152935.jpg[/img]
Cascade teasing a custom DHX2 shock eyelet...possibly a sort of geometry adjustment/MX conversion for bikes without a dedicated flip chip?
this is one of those simple things where you smack your head and say "of course" it's such a simple mod/tooling for a good outcome. Cascade kicking goals!

I'm pretty certain a new DHX2 needs a full service to remove the lower eyelet? Not like some of the old shocks where we could thread them off in a vice.

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TheShortestCharles 4/20/2022 9:41pm
4/20/2022 9:41pm
brash wrote:
this is one of those simple things where you smack your head and say "of course" it's such a simple mod/tooling for a good outcome. Cascade...
this is one of those simple things where you smack your head and say "of course" it's such a simple mod/tooling for a good outcome. Cascade kicking goals!

I'm pretty certain a new DHX2 needs a full service to remove the lower eyelet? Not like some of the old shocks where we could thread them off in a vice.

I'm assume it would for Factory models since the HSR adjuster is located there. Not sure if the Performance Elite model (no HSR adjustment) is the same though.
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Karabuka 4/20/2022 11:09pm
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RiderMikeCheck1 wrote:
The new Canyon just needs to shift the sizing naming 'up' a rung. So the current XL is actually as XXL, which would make the 480...
The new Canyon just needs to shift the sizing naming 'up' a rung. So the current XL is actually as XXL, which would make the 480 reach 'medium' a large. And then they need to add a real small in there, around 425/430. OR do what's much better and do 6 sizes, S1-S6 and stop the madness with the 'small' 'medium' 'large' crap for MTBs.
Canyon sizing turned really weird not long ago, friend recently bought their gravel bike with 56cm toptube, that lenght would traditionally be L.... but in Canyon sizes thats a.... yep S. Silly Its true that gravel bikes are somehow following MTB longer-slacker philosophy so the 56cm gravel does have seat tube shorter than 56cm but still its just weird that a person who has been riding L all of his life has now switched to S :D
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baronKanon 4/20/2022 11:19pm
4/20/2022 11:19pm
Remember that gravel bikes use shorter stems, hence you need to compensate with longer TT. Smile
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luisgutrod 4/21/2022 12:38am
4/21/2022 12:38am
TheShortestCharles wrote:
Cascade teasing a custom DHX2 shock eyelet...possibly a sort of geometry adjustment/MX conversion for bikes without a dedicated flip chip? [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/04/20/12425/s1200_Screenshot_20220420_152935.jpg[/img]
Cascade teasing a custom DHX2 shock eyelet...possibly a sort of geometry adjustment/MX conversion for bikes without a dedicated flip chip?
brash wrote:
this is one of those simple things where you smack your head and say "of course" it's such a simple mod/tooling for a good outcome. Cascade...
this is one of those simple things where you smack your head and say "of course" it's such a simple mod/tooling for a good outcome. Cascade kicking goals!

I'm pretty certain a new DHX2 needs a full service to remove the lower eyelet? Not like some of the old shocks where we could thread them off in a vice.

looks good, but this solution is a compromise as it is longshocking any bike, if done alone.. linkage cleareance may be an issue..
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