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Jon_Angieri 2/28/2022 7:12pm
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dolface wrote:
Trickstuff has pushed their re-opening back to March 1st. It was originally Jan 18, then Jan 23. The modal on their site says it's so they...
Trickstuff has pushed their re-opening back to March 1st. It was originally Jan 18, then Jan 23.

The modal on their site says it's so they can migrate to a new ERP (enterprise resource planning) system and I am not surprised by the date changes; migrations like that are brutally complex (I've led a few) and I was surprised they originally said they'd do in a month.

From the outside it doesn't speak especially well of whoever is managing the project though, and they have my deepest sympathies, this stuff is freakin' hard (and if they're trying to integrate w/ DT Swiss at the same time, just yikes).
dolface wrote:
Trickstuff's migration is not going well. They now say that they are starting from scratch and no longer have a date for when they expect to...
Trickstuff's migration is not going well. They now say that they are starting from scratch and no longer have a date for when they expect to start selling stuff again: https://trickstuff.de/customerinformation-erp/
I really hope it’s because they’re making Trickass weapons for the Ukrainian Mtbers
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metadave 2/28/2022 9:18pm
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bulletbass man wrote:
Teaser on the intense Instagram. Looks like the new tracer drops tommorrow.
That layout in the teaser looks more like a primer than the new tracer with the shock off the rocker to the downtube instead of around the BB, and they mentioned light weight but the new tracer looks like a straight bruiser. I wonder if there's been a carbine in low-key development to sit as a light weight long travel bike between the primer and the tracer. Or if they're updating the primer already.
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Sonofbovril2 2/28/2022 11:35pm
2/28/2022 11:35pm
Davy Sprocket wrote:
Not strictly (or at all really) MTB, but looks like Fox have a new fork about to be announced.

https://cyclinic.com.au/collections/forks/products/fox-32-float-ax-2022…
Karabuka wrote:
Fox Manitou Grinning
That's the gravel fork that has been spotted a few times.
I wonder if the reverse arch was patented and expired, and if it's something the whole Fox line will follow suite with now?
baronKanon 2/28/2022 11:37pm
2/28/2022 11:37pm
Sonofbovril2 wrote:
That's the gravel fork that has been spotted a few times. I wonder if the reverse arch was patented and expired, and if it's something the...
That's the gravel fork that has been spotted a few times.
I wonder if the reverse arch was patented and expired, and if it's something the whole Fox line will follow suite with now?
DT Swiss has had reverse arch for a long time.
Sonofbovril2 2/28/2022 11:47pm
2/28/2022 11:47pm
baronKanon wrote:
DT Swiss has had reverse arch for a long time.
Good point... I guess it has just been a design decision then?
Davy Sprocket 3/1/2022 12:25am
3/1/2022 12:25am
Sonofbovril2 wrote:
Good point... I guess it has just been a design decision then?
Yeah, I suspect it's purely aesthetic as people found the old AX (which looked a 32SC with blown seals) too jarring for a glorified road bike.
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bulletbass man wrote:
Teaser on the intense Instagram. Looks like the new tracer drops tommorrow.
metadave wrote:
That layout in the teaser looks more like a primer than the new tracer with the shock off the rocker to the downtube instead of around...
That layout in the teaser looks more like a primer than the new tracer with the shock off the rocker to the downtube instead of around the BB, and they mentioned light weight but the new tracer looks like a straight bruiser. I wonder if there's been a carbine in low-key development to sit as a light weight long travel bike between the primer and the tracer. Or if they're updating the primer already.
i see 2 bikes in those teasers, shock positions are different (looks like a sniper and a primer)


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Primoz 3/1/2022 3:16am
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Davy Sprocket wrote:
Not strictly (or at all really) MTB, but looks like Fox have a new fork about to be announced.

https://cyclinic.com.au/collections/forks/products/fox-32-float-ax-2022…
Karabuka wrote:
Fox Manitou Grinning
Sonofbovril2 wrote:
That's the gravel fork that has been spotted a few times. I wonder if the reverse arch was patented and expired, and if it's something the...
That's the gravel fork that has been spotted a few times.
I wonder if the reverse arch was patented and expired, and if it's something the whole Fox line will follow suite with now?
With arches moving forwards to clear the thicker (and angle adjustable) headtubes, I don't see a way towards rear arches. Sure, you can offset them further back which will add torsional stiffness using the same amount of material (thus weight), but I guess downtube clearance becomes a problem then.

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see a mass change to rear arches in the future.
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baronKanon 3/1/2022 3:28am
3/1/2022 3:28am
Primoz wrote:
With arches moving forwards to clear the thicker (and angle adjustable) headtubes, I don't see a way towards rear arches. Sure, you can offset them further...
With arches moving forwards to clear the thicker (and angle adjustable) headtubes, I don't see a way towards rear arches. Sure, you can offset them further back which will add torsional stiffness using the same amount of material (thus weight), but I guess downtube clearance becomes a problem then.

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see a mass change to rear arches in the future.
Maybe not, but my Manitou Mezzer has no clearance issues
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jason.west.750 3/1/2022 3:30am
3/1/2022 3:30am
Davy Sprocket wrote:
Not strictly (or at all really) MTB, but looks like Fox have a new fork about to be announced.

https://cyclinic.com.au/collections/forks/products/fox-32-float-ax-2022…
Look at that thing! It's like a Roubaix from the 90s mixed with a Manitou arch..
Does that mean fox at some point will use a backwards arch for all forks? Manitou stuck to their guns and now the big dawgs follow.
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jonkranked 3/1/2022 7:00am
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mfoga wrote:
Could that aluminum bike just be a test mule? Don't most companies make test bikes or just go all on on carbon molds and hope they...
Could that aluminum bike just be a test mule? Don't most companies make test bikes or just go all on on carbon molds and hope they work as good in real life as on paper?
jonkranked wrote:
IMO the shape/form and finish on those tubes is way too good for a test mule that would get converted to carbon. especially when you consider...
IMO the shape/form and finish on those tubes is way too good for a test mule that would get converted to carbon. especially when you consider that bigger companies like trek and spesh have moved back to aluminum from carbon for their DH bikes
Primoz wrote:
The bigger issue is the graphics on the tubes. Doesn't really scream mule. Regarding the shapes, they could be reusing a standard tubeset if it was...
The bigger issue is the graphics on the tubes. Doesn't really scream mule.

Regarding the shapes, they could be reusing a standard tubeset if it was a mule. Bird for example used a basically the same tubeset for all full suspension bikes and all sizes. And back in the days Jeff also picked the tubes off the racks at Intense when making prototypes.
agreed. the graphics also look finalized. looks to be near production ready imo. although the fork bumpers aren't there, the holes for them are.
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sspomer 3/1/2022 7:04am
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just a heads up. there are literally like 10 new bikes and a truckload of other new stuff. homepage will be flying all day
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hd4rider 3/1/2022 7:31am
3/1/2022 7:31am Edited Date/Time 3/1/2022 7:33am
sspomer wrote:
just a heads up. there are literally like 10 new bikes and a truckload of other new stuff. homepage will be flying all day
What are we thinking for bikes? I'm guessing some subset of a new Megatower, Enduro, Yeti suspension platform, Supreme, and Ripmo.

Also wouldn't be surprised to see the new Boxxer today.
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Poleczechy 3/1/2022 7:51am
3/1/2022 7:51am
sspomer wrote:
just a heads up. there are literally like 10 new bikes and a truckload of other new stuff. homepage will be flying all day
pics or it didn't happen.
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baronKanon wrote:
Is DVO owned by Tenneco? I thought Bryson Martin jumped the tenneco ship to start DVO.
slimshady wrote:
I'm not sure Tenneco owns DVO, but DVO and Ohlins are manufactured by Suntour.
Erwan_Ghesquiere wrote:
I clearly got mixed up but in the end manufacturing or owning, DVO, Ohlins and Suntour all come out of the same factory and machines. I...
I clearly got mixed up but in the end manufacturing or owning, DVO, Ohlins and Suntour all come out of the same factory and machines. I heard that Fast Suspension also comes from that factory. For those not convinced just looks at Jade/TriAir, the Jade Coil and soin to be released Suntour coil shock, and I believe they also share some fork chasi components. I have a few friends riding the high end Suntour stuff and it is actually good stuff but I get how some can get butt hurt and down-vote you when realizing that they basically bough over priced Suntour.
I don't own products from any of those three brands, but just because things are made in the same place doesn't mean that they're the same. Just look at Maxxis tires. CST's and E13 are made in the same factory (Maxxis is also owned by CST), but that doesn't make them identical.
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Jakub_G 3/1/2022 12:17pm
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Karabuka wrote:
Fox Manitou Grinning
Sonofbovril2 wrote:
That's the gravel fork that has been spotted a few times. I wonder if the reverse arch was patented and expired, and if it's something the...
That's the gravel fork that has been spotted a few times.
I wonder if the reverse arch was patented and expired, and if it's something the whole Fox line will follow suite with now?
Primoz wrote:
With arches moving forwards to clear the thicker (and angle adjustable) headtubes, I don't see a way towards rear arches. Sure, you can offset them further...
With arches moving forwards to clear the thicker (and angle adjustable) headtubes, I don't see a way towards rear arches. Sure, you can offset them further back which will add torsional stiffness using the same amount of material (thus weight), but I guess downtube clearance becomes a problem then.

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see a mass change to rear arches in the future.
Rear arch is going to sit signficantly lower than a front one because of fork offset that is in the lower legs mostly(unless we start to see 0 offset lowers, which is highly unlikely).
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Primoz 3/1/2022 12:25pm
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True, but the downtube is there while there's 'nothing' there in the front. That's what I was aiming at.

The rear arch more or less has to be much thinner (lower, can be longer though) to clear the downtube. And add tyre clearance to that too. And clearance for the fork bending backwards Tongue
RiderMikeCheck1 3/1/2022 12:29pm
3/1/2022 12:29pm
New Revel is 155mm 29er.
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Silas Streeter 3/1/2022 9:07pm
3/1/2022 9:07pm
creg wrote:
Speaking of Canfield (kind of), does anyone know anything about the bike Revel is teasing on their Instagram? [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/02/28/12091/s1200_Screen_Shot_2022_03_01_at_10.47.17_am.jpg[/img]
Speaking of Canfield (kind of), does anyone know anything about the bike Revel is teasing on their Instagram?


Last summer I saw Chris Canfield on an aluminum high pivot enduro bike at a bike race. Would be pretty cool to see Revel try their hand at a HP enduro race bike!
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DonutMTB 3/1/2022 9:36pm
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Caught these from Redcycle. Rail 29. 155mm




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Sol.Cob 3/2/2022 3:19am
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New Eminent Haste looking noice
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bulletbass man wrote:
Teaser on the intense Instagram. Looks like the new tracer drops tommorrow.
metadave wrote:
That layout in the teaser looks more like a primer than the new tracer with the shock off the rocker to the downtube instead of around...
That layout in the teaser looks more like a primer than the new tracer with the shock off the rocker to the downtube instead of around the BB, and they mentioned light weight but the new tracer looks like a straight bruiser. I wonder if there's been a carbine in low-key development to sit as a light weight long travel bike between the primer and the tracer. Or if they're updating the primer already.
krabo83 wrote:
i see 2 bikes in those teasers, shock positions are different (looks like a sniper and a primer) [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/01/12093/s1200_5458EBDC_3250_4F6E_BB1D_895469390398.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/01/12092/s1200_1BBDAC27_A3AC_4980_89F4_1E1F49B98D71.jpg[/img]
i see 2 bikes in those teasers, shock positions are different (looks like a sniper and a primer)


Sorry but, what is new here? I think Intense is in the wrong way...
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metadave 3/2/2022 6:14am
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metadave wrote:
That layout in the teaser looks more like a primer than the new tracer with the shock off the rocker to the downtube instead of around...
That layout in the teaser looks more like a primer than the new tracer with the shock off the rocker to the downtube instead of around the BB, and they mentioned light weight but the new tracer looks like a straight bruiser. I wonder if there's been a carbine in low-key development to sit as a light weight long travel bike between the primer and the tracer. Or if they're updating the primer already.
krabo83 wrote:
i see 2 bikes in those teasers, shock positions are different (looks like a sniper and a primer) [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/01/12093/s1200_5458EBDC_3250_4F6E_BB1D_895469390398.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2022/03/01/12092/s1200_1BBDAC27_A3AC_4980_89F4_1E1F49B98D71.jpg[/img]
i see 2 bikes in those teasers, shock positions are different (looks like a sniper and a primer)


GUILLO wrote:
Sorry but, what is new here? I think Intense is in the wrong way...
Yea, they teased it like anyone else would for a new model or a big update on a current one. I'm not even 100% sure they were new colors, the primer S doesn't look any different really, still red with Ohlins. Oh well. Maybe the tracer will be released some day....
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mfoga 3/2/2022 8:08am
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I was hoping for a more modern Sniper T. But nope just new colors are build kits.
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DonutMTB 3/2/2022 11:59am
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Low res screenie of the new tr11.

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