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NateMob
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NateMob 10/1/2021 8:13am
10/1/2021 8:13am
Ambushell wrote:
Alloy stumpy Evo is happening, looks like a carryover of the carbon models geometry and features. So yes, it has a Swat box. Comp and Elite...
Alloy stumpy Evo is happening, looks like a carryover of the carbon models geometry and features. So yes, it has a Swat box. Comp and Elite builds as well as a frame only.

tombola33 wrote:
This is awesome! 100% in the market for the frame only.
Same here, swap everything over from my carbon Evo.
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jonkranked 10/1/2021 8:52am
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SB14 wrote:
Yes. After a zoom i can see the crack. Would he do the bikecheck photos if he knew?
well, the pic with the crack was uploaded to the image gallery there, but didn't make it to the actual article itself.
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Primoz 10/1/2021 8:56am
10/1/2021 8:56am
FWIW regarding the Pole, I vote grass with the funky lighting around it (making it look like a crack) is caused by light reflections from the yoke. You can see the reflection on the seattube as well (it's lit up from the yoke).

The reason for that is that if there was a crack there and it was shaped like that, it would be opened outwards and really wide. That would mean something would have to puncture the frame from the inside (something flat) or the frame would have to be opened up. If the crack was there from riding, the only way the crack opened up that much was if the seat tube was snapped in half. It clearly isn't.

Cracks in frames are usually relatively hard to see, as they are closed up when not under load. And fatigue cracks grow for a long while - QED, a friend sent me pics of his chainstay broken literally one hour ago, where 2/3 of the broken weld are smooth and shiny (crack growing and the crack opening and closing back up massaged it to a nicer finish) with the remaining 1/3 being matte - the part that held until the end, when the forces were too high and the chainstay snapped.

This kind of surface finish is crack growth 101.
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slimshady 10/1/2021 8:58am
10/1/2021 8:58am
SB14 wrote:
Yes. After a zoom i can see the crack. Would he do the bikecheck photos if he knew?
jonkranked wrote:
well, the pic with the crack was uploaded to the image gallery there, but didn't make it to the actual article itself.
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baronKanon 10/1/2021 9:02am
10/1/2021 9:02am
Is it the reflection of the bolt, or the reflection of the shock that caused the crack? Wink
Chris@Pole 10/1/2021 11:30am
10/1/2021 11:30am
Javi_NoFer11 wrote:
Can you spot the crack on the prototype Pole? [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/09/30/11476/s1200_p5pb21402039.jpg[/img]
Can you spot the crack on the prototype Pole?
Cheers for the concern folks! There is no crack, just a piece of grass/mud/dirt - it's pretty crappy conditions here at the moment!


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anotherbikerguy 10/1/2021 12:34pm
10/1/2021 12:34pm
https://www.pinkbike.com/video/542633

Joe showing an un-cracked seat tube.

I'm laughing to myself imagining the conversation that led to this video: "Hey, Joe, some internet nerds think your bike is broken... can you please take a video so we can make them shut up?"
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noideamtber 10/1/2021 2:11pm
10/1/2021 2:11pm
anotherbikerguy wrote:
[url=https://www.pinkbike.com/video/542633]https://www.pinkbike.com/video/542633[/url] Joe showing an un-cracked seat tube. I'm laughing to myself imagining the conversation that led to this video: "Hey, Joe, some internet nerds think your...
https://www.pinkbike.com/video/542633

Joe showing an un-cracked seat tube.

I'm laughing to myself imagining the conversation that led to this video: "Hey, Joe, some internet nerds think your bike is broken... can you please take a video so we can make them shut up?"
stupid (untrue) rumours can ruin product lines pretty quick, especially this kinda thing, well done on Pole for keeping on an eye on these kinda threads etc.
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metadave 10/1/2021 5:45pm
10/1/2021 5:45pm
anotherbikerguy wrote:
[url=https://www.pinkbike.com/video/542633]https://www.pinkbike.com/video/542633[/url] Joe showing an un-cracked seat tube. I'm laughing to myself imagining the conversation that led to this video: "Hey, Joe, some internet nerds think your...
https://www.pinkbike.com/video/542633

Joe showing an un-cracked seat tube.

I'm laughing to myself imagining the conversation that led to this video: "Hey, Joe, some internet nerds think your bike is broken... can you please take a video so we can make them shut up?"

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Javi_NoFer11 10/2/2021 9:54am
10/2/2021 9:54am
Hahaha, I look what I made...
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vinny4130 10/2/2021 1:17pm
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The problem isn’t that it wasn’t, it’s that being cracked is the first conclusion drawn. If it was many other brands I would have wondered if it was first but with pole I am more surprised it isn’t.
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bulletbass man 10/2/2021 8:00pm
10/2/2021 8:00pm
vinny4130 wrote:
The problem isn’t that it wasn’t, it’s that being cracked is the first conclusion drawn. If it was many other brands I would have wondered if...
The problem isn’t that it wasn’t, it’s that being cracked is the first conclusion drawn. If it was many other brands I would have wondered if it was first but with pole I am more surprised it isn’t.
Agree. I will never ever buy a pole. Don’t know why anyone else would either based on their reputation. Kind of like going to a crackhouse to buy pot when a dispensary is around the corner.
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baronKanon 10/3/2021 12:12am
10/3/2021 12:12am
Pole have added more materials to their bikes and their production process has matured. A friend of mine swapped a Machine to a Stamina 160. The frames were the same weight despite the Machine had lots of steel screws in it to hold the two halves together. But the Stamina 160 was apparently much more playful and poppy.

Their customer support doesn't seem to be humble, though. My friend had some issues with tolerences on the seat tube, which was not a problem with the frame apparently. It was the seat post. New seat post and still no good fit... I had a bit too tight seat tube when I got my Starling last year. Joe at Starling checked his tooling and found out the go-nogo seat post and sest tube reamer were worn out. Everything was solved, and Starling got their production line fixed. Problem solved.
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Noeserd 10/4/2021 2:36am
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Meta sx coming to commencal


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loris_74 10/4/2021 5:07am
10/4/2021 5:07am
Noeserd wrote:
Meta sx coming to commencal [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/10/04/11487/s1200_FB_IMG_1633340140101.jpg[/img]
Meta sx coming to commencal



Meta Power SX already leaked in my Pinkbike Dashboard a few days ago.
Sol.Cob 10/4/2021 5:15am
10/4/2021 5:15am
loris_74 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/10/04/11488/s1200_Capture_d_cran_2021_10_04_140544.jpg[/img] Meta Power SX already leaked in my Pinkbike Dashboard a few days ago.

Meta Power SX already leaked in my Pinkbike Dashboard a few days ago.
Pretty sure the Power SX was released last year, that post above is a separate thing for a non E-bike
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bulletbass man 10/4/2021 5:19am
10/4/2021 5:19am
baronKanon wrote:
Pole have added more materials to their bikes and their production process has matured. A friend of mine swapped a Machine to a Stamina 160. The...
Pole have added more materials to their bikes and their production process has matured. A friend of mine swapped a Machine to a Stamina 160. The frames were the same weight despite the Machine had lots of steel screws in it to hold the two halves together. But the Stamina 160 was apparently much more playful and poppy.

Their customer support doesn't seem to be humble, though. My friend had some issues with tolerences on the seat tube, which was not a problem with the frame apparently. It was the seat post. New seat post and still no good fit... I had a bit too tight seat tube when I got my Starling last year. Joe at Starling checked his tooling and found out the go-nogo seat post and sest tube reamer were worn out. Everything was solved, and Starling got their production line fixed. Problem solved.
Your second paragraph sums up the difference between the type of small business i want to support and the type of small business I want to stay away from with an xxl pole. Every mtb brand (or really the production of anything) is going to have production issues on some scale. But it seems pole has more than average issues reach customers and as well as more than average dissatisfied customers that have an issues because how the company and Leo handle those issues when they arise. While brands always need to find a balance between customer support and staying in the green there are other brands who seem to really really care about their customers and pole seems to me to take them for granted.

I’ve had to warranty a frame recently. The experience was shockingly easy and time effecient. I was already planning on my next bike also being a transition but now it definitely will be. And my riding buddies all also know about the experience and are more likely to buy transitions too. Showing loyalty to customers is a two way street.
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jonkranked 10/4/2021 6:44am
10/4/2021 6:44am
bulletbass man wrote:
Your second paragraph sums up the difference between the type of small business i want to support and the type of small business I want to...
Your second paragraph sums up the difference between the type of small business i want to support and the type of small business I want to stay away from with an xxl pole. Every mtb brand (or really the production of anything) is going to have production issues on some scale. But it seems pole has more than average issues reach customers and as well as more than average dissatisfied customers that have an issues because how the company and Leo handle those issues when they arise. While brands always need to find a balance between customer support and staying in the green there are other brands who seem to really really care about their customers and pole seems to me to take them for granted.

I’ve had to warranty a frame recently. The experience was shockingly easy and time effecient. I was already planning on my next bike also being a transition but now it definitely will be. And my riding buddies all also know about the experience and are more likely to buy transitions too. Showing loyalty to customers is a two way street.
its not uncommon for any manufacturing process to make out of spec parts. its the job of the QE / QC to make sure any out of spec parts don't reach the customer.
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Noeserd 10/4/2021 12:09pm
10/4/2021 12:09pm
prices gone up quite a lot that's bad, essential model went up to 4000€...
TheShortestCharles 10/4/2021 12:30pm
10/4/2021 12:30pm
New Fox shock coming soon? Doesn't look like the Float X (the EVOL 'bump' in its profile is gone) and the adjusters look more like the Float X2/DHX2.

Pics from the Meta SX/Meta Power SX announcement:


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lickmycrinkle 10/4/2021 2:26pm
10/4/2021 2:26pm
A crop from the full res. Obviously a terrible photoshop (see eyelet to yoke connection). But the air can does look different (like an RP2 or something), Float X2 style piggyback and different adjusters to what it is labelled as.

Sonofbovril2 10/4/2021 2:32pm
10/4/2021 2:32pm
lickmycrinkle wrote:
A crop from the full res. Obviously a terrible photoshop (see eyelet to yoke connection). But the air can does look different (like an RP2 or...
A crop from the full res. Obviously a terrible photoshop (see eyelet to yoke connection). But the air can does look different (like an RP2 or something), Float X2 style piggyback and different adjusters to what it is labelled as.

Rebound adjuster seems to be inline at the top of the shock while compression adjuster is similar to the X2 style.
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bermslapper69 10/4/2021 2:40pm
10/4/2021 2:40pm
lickmycrinkle wrote:
A crop from the full res. Obviously a terrible photoshop (see eyelet to yoke connection). But the air can does look different (like an RP2 or...
A crop from the full res. Obviously a terrible photoshop (see eyelet to yoke connection). But the air can does look different (like an RP2 or something), Float X2 style piggyback and different adjusters to what it is labelled as.

Sonofbovril2 wrote:
Rebound adjuster seems to be inline at the top of the shock while compression adjuster is similar to the X2 style.
Hate to burst your bubble fellas but that’s just a good ol rendering of a float x CTD. Look at the orientation of the bottom eyelet of the shock.
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Sonofbovril2 10/4/2021 2:56pm
10/4/2021 2:56pm
bermslapper69 wrote:
Hate to burst your bubble fellas but that’s just a good ol rendering of a float x CTD. Look at the orientation of the bottom eyelet...
Hate to burst your bubble fellas but that’s just a good ol rendering of a float x CTD. Look at the orientation of the bottom eyelet of the shock.
Yup, I think he’s right 🤦🏻‍♂️
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anotherbikerguy 10/4/2021 3:55pm
10/4/2021 3:55pm
bermslapper69 wrote:
Hate to burst your bubble fellas but that’s just a good ol rendering of a float x CTD. Look at the orientation of the bottom eyelet...
Hate to burst your bubble fellas but that’s just a good ol rendering of a float x CTD. Look at the orientation of the bottom eyelet of the shock.
That also helps explain why all the labels are reversed.

For reference/comparison:
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Noeserd 10/5/2021 5:39am
10/5/2021 5:39am Edited Date/Time 10/5/2021 5:40am
Not sure what it is but if rulezman testing it it's probably damn good
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