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noideamtber 9/3/2021 9:17pm
9/3/2021 9:17pm Edited Date/Time 9/3/2021 9:19pm
looks like a $700NZD price hike on the reign, that will probably destroy the value points giant had.
4600nzd to 5300NZd for the base model and still the old geo.
the base marin alpine with same spec as the base reign is about 4200nzd.
in comparison a Full Ultimate rockshox(ult lyrik an ult coil), slx/xt/diety spec Marin alpine with modern geo(good geo too) is 5500nzd lol.

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lickmycrinkle 9/5/2021 2:20am
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Saw this fatty at Eurobike. It's not on their site, but was mentioned in their service manual a few months ago.


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nskerb 9/5/2021 8:08am
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I forget how well finished giants look. The reign is a really well sorted bike.
Yonatan Yatom 9/5/2021 11:00am
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sspomer wrote:
would pitch of the course factor in? they didn't have floating arms in maribor, right? maribor less steep, less aggressive braking need in bombholes compared to...
would pitch of the course factor in? they didn't have floating arms in maribor, right? maribor less steep, less aggressive braking need in bombholes compared to VDS with aggressive holes and hits while braking at the same time. thoughts?

considering colanges got 2nd place today by just .2 seconds on the "old" commencal, i think they still work just fine : )

Any word on those "Big Ben" tyres?
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Primoz 9/5/2021 1:19pm
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sspomer wrote:
would pitch of the course factor in? they didn't have floating arms in maribor, right? maribor less steep, less aggressive braking need in bombholes compared to...
would pitch of the course factor in? they didn't have floating arms in maribor, right? maribor less steep, less aggressive braking need in bombholes compared to VDS with aggressive holes and hits while braking at the same time. thoughts?

considering colanges got 2nd place today by just .2 seconds on the "old" commencal, i think they still work just fine : )

Yonatan Yatom wrote:
Any word on those "Big Ben" tyres?
Schwalbe athletes got custom tyre models made for them based on their names. Ben as in Benoit.
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David9180 9/5/2021 3:53pm
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sspomer wrote:
would pitch of the course factor in? they didn't have floating arms in maribor, right? maribor less steep, less aggressive braking need in bombholes compared to...
would pitch of the course factor in? they didn't have floating arms in maribor, right? maribor less steep, less aggressive braking need in bombholes compared to VDS with aggressive holes and hits while braking at the same time. thoughts?

considering colanges got 2nd place today by just .2 seconds on the "old" commencal, i think they still work just fine : )

Yonatan Yatom wrote:
Any word on those "Big Ben" tyres?
Primoz wrote:
Schwalbe athletes got custom tyre models made for them based on their names. Ben as in Benoit.
Yes, but is this tyre is new?

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Primoz 9/5/2021 10:00pm
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That I do not know. I was under the impression they just gave them standard tyres (or at least protos they were familiar with) and put custom stickers on them.

As for Schwalbe's offering, I'm not really up to speed with it, I was never interested in them.
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ORTOGONAL555 9/6/2021 2:12am
9/6/2021 2:12am
They have been testing that tire for a few races now. Someone posted about it few days ago. It is a dry tire probably, more DHR-like than the magic mary (which is a bit too squishy for hard pack in my experience)
melonhead1145 9/6/2021 5:47am
9/6/2021 5:47am
ORTOGONAL555 wrote:
They have been testing that tire for a few races now. Someone posted about it few days ago. It is a dry tire probably, more DHR-like...
They have been testing that tire for a few races now. Someone posted about it few days ago. It is a dry tire probably, more DHR-like than the magic mary (which is a bit too squishy for hard pack in my experience)
They have the Big Betty which is their DHR equivalent. I think this is more likely a middle ground between the Magic Mary and Dirty Dan, equivalent to the Shorty.
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taifi 9/6/2021 8:34am
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shreda wrote:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CTe-2aRqvSS/?utm_medium=copy_link

Did anyone notice the cable of the AXS derailleir on Scotts new Ebike? Seems like charging AXS batteries is a thing of the past here.
Great catch!…. So… no cables equals more cables? Wow 🤩 not
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TimBud 9/6/2021 10:52am
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shreda wrote:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CTe-2aRqvSS/?utm_medium=copy_link

Did anyone notice the cable of the AXS derailleir on Scotts new Ebike? Seems like charging AXS batteries is a thing of the past here.
I'd say it's more so that the ebike system can communicate with the mech so it can help adjust the assistance levels when it auto modes... and also display info on the computer.
Shimano can do it with steps and Di2, so its about time Sram came up with something.
Yes AXS can already transmit and receive data wirelessly but to do that constantly (which is what is required in this scenario) would kill the battery life and the cable is always going to be more efficient too.
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sspomer 9/6/2021 12:58pm
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here's the vid to the scott patron ebike. markety, but interesting. ok, back to a question asked before, but won't that shock get super hot in the frame? no resevoir and working for a 160mm-travel ebike? or is it nothing to worry about? 3rdly, do people really like their twinloc/remote lever/shock adjust stuff? i find it fascinating they're still using that tech (cables, levers everywhere, potential headaches/parts issues), on an ebike no less.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNefbwqzMKU



scott website for it all - https://www.scott-sports.com/us/en/patron-eride
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Primoz 9/6/2021 1:03pm
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Why would you constantly be sending the data over? It's like all the time yelling 'I'm over here' as opposed to the other guy looking at where you are and remembering that. And then you yelling (or him looking) once you move.

Meaning, pair the motor with the shifter and derailleur and only communicate the gear you are in on every gear change. Plus, the battery only has three pins (+ and - for the voltage and a battery management pin), while the derailleur only has two, to receive battery power. There is nothing in there to communicate over, if you'd want to do it over a cable.

So yeah, this looks like it's powering the derailleur only, it's not for communication.

If they are communicating, doing it like I said should be easy (so the motor remembering the gear the drivetrain it is). As far as I know, e-bike mid motors are being sold to frame manufacturers at values that are higher than what can be achieved in the automotive industry for a similarly big, complex or powerfull actuator while also enjoying much lower requirements from the standpoint of sealing, ambient temperature range and total lifetime. I'm sure even adding a microprocessor with the ability to store the gear the drivetrain is currently in shouldn't impact the price at all, if they don't have that kind of processing power already on the PCB, considering all the bluetooth communication, displays, adjustments of modes and general driving logic they already have to do.
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TayRob 9/6/2021 1:37pm
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Let's be honest with ourselves here, 70 percent of these bikes will never see dirt, 29 percent will be ridden off road but not to the point where the heat in the shock will effect damping, and one percent will get ridden to that point and complained about.

As for the twin lock, I agree, it's very odd especially on a 6" travel ebike, but the ebike crowd love gadgets and widgets. For the rest of us folk, at least it is somewhat removable if you wanna drop the cash and time to have it retrofitted to knobs.
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brash 9/6/2021 2:51pm
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shreda wrote:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CTe-2aRqvSS/?utm_medium=copy_link

Did anyone notice the cable of the AXS derailleir on Scotts new Ebike? Seems like charging AXS batteries is a thing of the past here.
that's how the Di2 on my ebike works, it's a better idea, one less thing to worry about.

Until you smack it on a rock and look up replacement cost Sad
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boozed 9/6/2021 5:57pm
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TayRob wrote:
Let's be honest with ourselves here, 70 percent of these bikes will never see dirt, 29 percent will be ridden off road but not to the...
Let's be honest with ourselves here, 70 percent of these bikes will never see dirt, 29 percent will be ridden off road but not to the point where the heat in the shock will effect damping, and one percent will get ridden to that point and complained about.

As for the twin lock, I agree, it's very odd especially on a 6" travel ebike, but the ebike crowd love gadgets and widgets. For the rest of us folk, at least it is somewhat removable if you wanna drop the cash and time to have it retrofitted to knobs.
True enough, and those who really want to send it on an eMTB are buying the Ransom e-ride anyway, which has an X2 and no twinloc.
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bulletbass man 9/6/2021 6:38pm
9/6/2021 6:38pm
Twin loc works really well for the ultra casual or newbie rider who isn’t in shape yet. And I imagine is often the difference between selling a Scott and a different brand bike for mostly new buyers. They ride it for a year and stop using it at a certain point. But hopefully at this point they like a well engineered and super light bike and enjoyed the experience of owning it so they hopefully buy another Scott with or without twin loc.

I imagine it will go to the wayside much like treks “full floater” with a similiar tag line of the parts are better now so you don’t need it. Though the spark will probably always have some sort of twinloc on it.
melonhead1145 9/6/2021 11:12pm
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Beyond The Tape Podcast wrote:
[embed]Williams Racing Products have been hinting at something big here in aus. looks like it will be taking on the Ochain and other components/. There is...


They posted on Instagram, it's a chainring freewheel. The rear hub is fixed, apparently yhe constant spinning of the chain more or less eliminates pedal kickback
loic.penel 9/6/2021 11:31pm
9/6/2021 11:31pm
it's not new, HXR (a french brand) has already been offering this product for years :
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shreda 9/7/2021 12:50am
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Same goes for Intend with their latest crank.
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willsmooth18 9/7/2021 2:23am
9/7/2021 2:23am
Beyond The Tape Podcast wrote:
[embed]Williams Racing Products have been hinting at something big here in aus. looks like it will be taking on the Ochain and other components/. There is...


melonhead1145 wrote:
They posted on Instagram, it's a chainring freewheel. The rear hub is fixed, apparently yhe constant spinning of the chain more or less eliminates pedal kickback
My brain melts. How tf a chainring constantly spining forward (plus having an infinity of POE) could, even by a percent, eliminate pedal kickback (which is the chainring being pulled rearward) ?
baronKanon 9/7/2021 2:52am
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willsmooth18 wrote:
My brain melts. How tf a chainring constantly spining forward (plus having an infinity of POE) could, even by a percent, eliminate pedal kickback (which is...
My brain melts. How tf a chainring constantly spining forward (plus having an infinity of POE) could, even by a percent, eliminate pedal kickback (which is the chainring being pulled rearward) ?
It is the constant motion of the chain, reducing chain slap - which is the biggest contributor to pedal kickback at speed.
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willsmooth18 9/7/2021 5:03am
9/7/2021 5:03am
baronKanon wrote:
It is the constant motion of the chain, reducing chain slap - which is the biggest contributor to pedal kickback at speed.
Genuinely asking : is it a claim or a fact ?
Beyond The Tape Podcast 9/7/2021 5:20am
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Beyond The Tape Podcast wrote:
[embed]Williams Racing Products have been hinting at something big here in aus. looks like it will be taking on the Ochain and other components/. There is...


melonhead1145 wrote:
They posted on Instagram, it's a chainring freewheel. The rear hub is fixed, apparently yhe constant spinning of the chain more or less eliminates pedal kickback
Yep. I did say they have been posting some info on insta.
Beyond The Tape Podcast 9/7/2021 5:21am
9/7/2021 5:21am
loic.penel wrote:
it's not new, HXR (a french brand) has already been offering this product for years :
Thata a freehub with pawls though right? No instant engagement? Haven't seen much of them before
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baronKanon 9/7/2021 5:26am
9/7/2021 5:26am
baronKanon wrote:
It is the constant motion of the chain, reducing chain slap - which is the biggest contributor to pedal kickback at speed.
willsmooth18 wrote:
Genuinely asking : is it a claim or a fact ?
For me it is a probable scenario, as the chain will always be in motion, hence the forces are not applied to a static portion of the chain.
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