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Primoz 7/10/2021 7:53pm
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It is, by a plastic coated steel cable. The extra spring is supposedly to prevent the swingarm rebounding quicker than the shock, it keeps the cable system taught.
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Volta55 7/10/2021 8:31pm
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Hold up, is that a chopped up Commencal DH, with a welded on gearbox, and a metal cord to compress/pull the shock?
Woohoo
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Primoz 7/10/2021 8:33pm
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Correct.
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baronKanon 7/10/2021 9:56pm
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Primoz wrote:
It is, by a plastic coated steel cable. The extra spring is supposedly to prevent the swingarm rebounding quicker than the shock, it keeps the cable...
It is, by a plastic coated steel cable. The extra spring is supposedly to prevent the swingarm rebounding quicker than the shock, it keeps the cable system taught.
Ok, so no rebound damping, then!?
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Primoz 7/11/2021 4:21am
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No no it's normal, it could only happen if the rebound was really slow that the swingarm would fall down faster than the shock returned. On a jump for example.

With a standard bike you have a stiff linkage so you don't have this problem. Here the cable could get derailed if the swingarm rebounded more quickly than the shock.
bermslapper69 7/11/2021 6:05am
7/11/2021 6:05am
Primoz wrote:
Megavalanche giveth some more. From this dude: https://www.instagram.com/jannicklange/ [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/07/10/11117/s1200_IMG_20210710_151843.jpg[/img]
Megavalanche giveth some more. From this dude: https://www.instagram.com/jannicklange/


Pardon my Andorran but what the actual fuck is going on here
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Uncle Cliffy 7/11/2021 7:16am
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Primoz wrote:
Megavalanche giveth some more. From this dude: https://www.instagram.com/jannicklange/ [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/07/10/11117/s1200_IMG_20210710_151843.jpg[/img]
Megavalanche giveth some more. From this dude: https://www.instagram.com/jannicklange/


Well now…

Needz moar duct tape. Is that a garden hose chain guide in the swingarm? I’ve always wondered what kind of benefit a screen door spring would have on my mid speed rebound damping... Honestly impressed with the lack of zip ties and bubblegum.
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Primoz 7/11/2021 11:18am
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BTW, regarding EXO tyres... During the race the previous weekend I actually bonkend my rear rim, an XM1501 (XM481), with the EXO tyre holding up (I'm running an ARD insert). Before the start of the last stage I noticed a wobble in my rear rim and then noticed the bonk at home...

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Sonofbovril2 7/11/2021 1:00pm
7/11/2021 1:00pm Edited Date/Time 7/11/2021 1:02pm
I tried those ARD inserts, it got loose after awhile and rattled around and I think it actually used to cause the tire to roll and burp eventually… having moved to Cushcore (at double the $$$) I can honestly say it’s a much better product in my opinion.

EXO+ also seems to be a decent step up from the standard EXO. I can’t get away without the insert with the EXO but I manage ok with the EXO+

For reference I’m 220lbs kitted and ride pretty aggressively.

Just my 2cents 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Primoz 7/11/2021 1:09pm
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DDs don't do much in my experience (had flats with them just like with exos), dunno about exo+.

ARDs don't stretch when using Stan's sealant, but they gunk up the latex. Orange seal made them swell but worked at first, though now the latex bunches up as well for some reason...

I was reluctant about cushcores because of the price and horror stories about mounting them or better yet dismounting them on the trail. But the xc variant seems to be easy enough.

I currently have ARDs and they work for me, so...
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Trocko 7/11/2021 1:14pm
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Primoz wrote:
DDs don't do much in my experience (had flats with them just like with exos), dunno about exo+. ARDs don't stretch when using Stan's sealant, but...
DDs don't do much in my experience (had flats with them just like with exos), dunno about exo+.

ARDs don't stretch when using Stan's sealant, but they gunk up the latex. Orange seal made them swell but worked at first, though now the latex bunches up as well for some reason...

I was reluctant about cushcores because of the price and horror stories about mounting them or better yet dismounting them on the trail. But the xc variant seems to be easy enough.

I currently have ARDs and they work for me, so...
give rimpact a try if you're considering cushcore xc since its about 1/3 the price. Had much better luck with rimpact coming from ARD. Better sidewall support as well
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Primoz 7/11/2021 1:24pm
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M coworker was very much not impressed with rimpacts...
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Trocko 7/11/2021 1:46pm
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Primoz wrote:
M coworker was very much not impressed with rimpacts...
to each their own. We could say that about almost anything though. I still got pinch flats with ARD and barely any sidewall support. Plus I did use orange sealant and would cause ARd to expand. Id just cut it shorter and zip tie it every time I changed tires. Rimpact Helps with pinchflats but biggest difference was sidewall support. Just depends on what you are looking for I guess
bermslapper69 7/11/2021 2:31pm
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Primoz wrote:
DDs don't do much in my experience (had flats with them just like with exos), dunno about exo+. ARDs don't stretch when using Stan's sealant, but...
DDs don't do much in my experience (had flats with them just like with exos), dunno about exo+.

ARDs don't stretch when using Stan's sealant, but they gunk up the latex. Orange seal made them swell but worked at first, though now the latex bunches up as well for some reason...

I was reluctant about cushcores because of the price and horror stories about mounting them or better yet dismounting them on the trail. But the xc variant seems to be easy enough.

I currently have ARDs and they work for me, so...
Trocko wrote:
give rimpact a try if you're considering cushcore xc since its about 1/3 the price. Had much better luck with rimpact coming from ARD. Better sidewall...
give rimpact a try if you're considering cushcore xc since its about 1/3 the price. Had much better luck with rimpact coming from ARD. Better sidewall support as well
Tannus tubeless is the best money to performance ratio. Cushcore is still marginally better than it in terms of outright protection and support. Tannus does a good job and provides a good on trail feel and at ~1/2 the cost of Cush it’s hard to beat.
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Trocko 7/11/2021 2:41pm
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Primoz wrote:
DDs don't do much in my experience (had flats with them just like with exos), dunno about exo+. ARDs don't stretch when using Stan's sealant, but...
DDs don't do much in my experience (had flats with them just like with exos), dunno about exo+.

ARDs don't stretch when using Stan's sealant, but they gunk up the latex. Orange seal made them swell but worked at first, though now the latex bunches up as well for some reason...

I was reluctant about cushcores because of the price and horror stories about mounting them or better yet dismounting them on the trail. But the xc variant seems to be easy enough.

I currently have ARDs and they work for me, so...
Trocko wrote:
give rimpact a try if you're considering cushcore xc since its about 1/3 the price. Had much better luck with rimpact coming from ARD. Better sidewall...
give rimpact a try if you're considering cushcore xc since its about 1/3 the price. Had much better luck with rimpact coming from ARD. Better sidewall support as well
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Tannus tubeless is the best money to performance ratio. Cushcore is still marginally better than it in terms of outright protection and support. Tannus does a...
Tannus tubeless is the best money to performance ratio. Cushcore is still marginally better than it in terms of outright protection and support. Tannus does a good job and provides a good on trail feel and at ~1/2 the cost of Cush it’s hard to beat.
Tried Tannus as well. Due to the design not having much support against the rim and bead of the tire I would still rip tires off the bead in turns or rough sections. But it did have the best dampening out of the three though.
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Fantaman 7/11/2021 4:55pm
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The new dorado is for both 27,5 & 29'' wheels only adjust the crowns by sliding it up & down, i like that idea just having 1 fork for both wheel sizes instead of buying seperate forks. Great job Manitou by thinking outside the box.
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bulletbass man 7/11/2021 7:22pm
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Fantaman wrote:
The new dorado is for both 27,5 & 29'' wheels only adjust the crowns by sliding it up & down, i like that idea just having...
The new dorado is for both 27,5 & 29'' wheels only adjust the crowns by sliding it up & down, i like that idea just having 1 fork for both wheel sizes instead of buying seperate forks. Great job Manitou by thinking outside the box.
I’ve ran a 27.5 wheel in a 29er fork and with a little compensation it was totally fine. With more oem bikes moving to mullet I could for see a day where all trail forks fit 29 and the compensation for a 27.5 front will be in the bikes geo rather than the fork.
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Fred_Pop 7/11/2021 10:12pm
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Fantaman wrote:
The new dorado is for both 27,5 & 29'' wheels only adjust the crowns by sliding it up & down, i like that idea just having...
The new dorado is for both 27,5 & 29'' wheels only adjust the crowns by sliding it up & down, i like that idea just having 1 fork for both wheel sizes instead of buying seperate forks. Great job Manitou by thinking outside the box.
You could already do that with the previous fork. This one probably has less offset.
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metadave 7/11/2021 10:23pm
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Just to chime in on the tubeless insert bit, I have a history of wreaking tires and rims at regular/high pressures. On my new rig I had a few rim hits the other day running 25 rear and I picked up a tannus the next day just to try it. By the end of the next day riding i was down to 18psi, smashing sections far more recklessly than i was even the day before and felt like I had a ton more traction and support. I'll be grabbing a front as well. .
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GeorgeMichael 7/12/2021 12:42am
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thomas1965 wrote:
apologies if I missed any posts, but curious if there've been any updates on the yeti ebike?
The shops have prices and parts lists. You can chose between expensive and very expensive (SLX or XT). Shimano EP8. What is disappointing is that the expensive version only gives you fox performance (not performance elite) fork 38 and E1900 wheels. If you are shelling out 10k, you want (a litttle) more than that with CODE R brakes. However, upgrading those parts is still cheaper than opting for the more expensive version.

No info on sizing, but HA 64.5, ST 78, CS 446.

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boozed 7/12/2021 12:59am
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Bikeradar has its Dorado article up: https://www.bikeradar.com/news/2022-manitou-dorado-fork/

"According to Manitou, the TPC+ damper is both velocity and position sensitive."

Interesting. Can anyone comment on whether this is a good idea?

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jeff.brines 7/12/2021 5:24am
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boozed wrote:
Bikeradar has its Dorado article up: [url=https://www.bikeradar.com/news/2022-manitou-dorado-fork/]https://www.bikeradar.com/news/2022-manitou-dorado-fork/[/url] [i]"According to Manitou, the TPC+ damper is both velocity and position sensitive."[/i] Interesting. Can anyone comment on whether this...
Bikeradar has its Dorado article up: https://www.bikeradar.com/news/2022-manitou-dorado-fork/

"According to Manitou, the TPC+ damper is both velocity and position sensitive."

Interesting. Can anyone comment on whether this is a good idea?

Their prior TPC+ system was position and velocity sensitive as well. I actually picked up an old Dorado (2013?) to put on my enduro for fun. I can say for being over a decade old, its incredibly good. Way way ahead of its time.

In theory having something both position and velocity sensitive is a cool idea. I don't like damping early in the fork's stroke. I want the fork to eat chatter best it can and save my hands. Mid way through, I'd like some support so the fork doesn't dive or doesn't completely blow through its travel when cornering. Then when I screw up and write a check my skills can't cash, yeah, I want a fork that doesn't bottom out.

The dorado's damping is progressive based on where the fork is in its travel. Less up top. More in the middle. Then a HBO to keep the fork from having a metal on metal bottom out.

Its a really good package. My only qualm is why are they offering the fork in 57mm offset for 29" wheels. Cmon! I want to see options from 35-45mm, which frankly would require them to make changes to the lower tubes. (otherwise you'll hit frame with crowns).
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Brian_Peterson 7/12/2021 7:47am
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Late to the insert discussion here... I have the Tannus in one of my bikes and I can say I didn't notice any difference in sidewall support, but there is some extra rim protection.. I wanted the Cush Core XC insert for that bike, but they were on backorder at the time...
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On a recent interview, Sam Hill mentioned that he used the Mega for EWS round 1 and the Giga for EWS round 2 (both setup as...
On a recent interview, Sam Hill mentioned that he used the Mega for EWS round 1 and the Giga for EWS round 2 (both setup as mullets). He will then decide after round 2 on which bike he will be riding for the remainder of the season.

To be honest, I am genuinely interested to know which bike he will pick.
It seems like the mullet Giga was what Sam used for Rounds 3 & 4, in case anyone was still wondering.
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Looks like SRAM are working on a new Shockwiz-type suspension analysis device. They've figured out a way to package the system much smaller, so everything (battery, sensor, circuit boards, antenna, etc.) fits inside the top cap. It should be a nice looking package that'll be less susceptible to damage.

https://wheelbased.com/2021/07/12/bicycle-suspension-components-and-electronic-monitoring-devices-by-sram/
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boozed 7/12/2021 4:23pm
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jeff.brines wrote:
Their prior TPC+ system was position and velocity sensitive as well. I actually picked up an old Dorado (2013?) to put on my enduro for fun...
Their prior TPC+ system was position and velocity sensitive as well. I actually picked up an old Dorado (2013?) to put on my enduro for fun. I can say for being over a decade old, its incredibly good. Way way ahead of its time.

In theory having something both position and velocity sensitive is a cool idea. I don't like damping early in the fork's stroke. I want the fork to eat chatter best it can and save my hands. Mid way through, I'd like some support so the fork doesn't dive or doesn't completely blow through its travel when cornering. Then when I screw up and write a check my skills can't cash, yeah, I want a fork that doesn't bottom out.

The dorado's damping is progressive based on where the fork is in its travel. Less up top. More in the middle. Then a HBO to keep the fork from having a metal on metal bottom out.

Its a really good package. My only qualm is why are they offering the fork in 57mm offset for 29" wheels. Cmon! I want to see options from 35-45mm, which frankly would require them to make changes to the lower tubes. (otherwise you'll hit frame with crowns).
Thanks for the explanation, I can imagine a significant benefit in being able to ignore the early stroke when setting HSC just for starters.

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