I can't see why you'd want to eliminate the hanger. It's designed to be a low-cost part to fail before the derailleur. I think PB and others just like the idea of being able to easily get replacements anywhere, rather than every bike having it's own special hanger.
Propain teasing a 2/2 release on IG. It climbs. It jibs. It shreds. it's huge.
What could they be releasing? The bike is clearly a single crown in the shadowy image. They just released the Spindrift? An ebike version of that? Or something more like the 5010? But then what's the "It's huge" part about?
Propain teasing a 2/2 release on IG. It climbs. It jibs. It shreds. it's huge.
What could they be releasing? The bike is clearly a single...
Propain teasing a 2/2 release on IG. It climbs. It jibs. It shreds. it's huge.
What could they be releasing? The bike is clearly a single crown in the shadowy image. They just released the Spindrift? An ebike version of that? Or something more like the 5010? But then what's the "It's huge" part about?
I'm an idiot. Their short travel bike is the Hugene.
I can't see why you'd want to eliminate the hanger. It's designed to be a low-cost part to fail before the derailleur. I think PB and...
I can't see why you'd want to eliminate the hanger. It's designed to be a low-cost part to fail before the derailleur. I think PB and others just like the idea of being able to easily get replacements anywhere, rather than every bike having it's own special hanger.
Problem these days is that the hangers are generally cnc’d aluminium parts and are much more solid than the derailleurs. All of the 12 speed shimano derailleurs (excluding xtr) connect the cage to the main body with plastic. Seems like the system could do with a re think?
I can't see why you'd want to eliminate the hanger. It's designed to be a low-cost part to fail before the derailleur. I think PB and...
I can't see why you'd want to eliminate the hanger. It's designed to be a low-cost part to fail before the derailleur. I think PB and others just like the idea of being able to easily get replacements anywhere, rather than every bike having it's own special hanger.
This was true when hangers cost $15 and were made of fondue, while derailleurs were $80 and made of cheddar.
Now that hangers are rock solid and $100 and derailleurs are also pretty solid but like $900, it's kind of a different story, though I agree they still should be a low-cost designed to fail part that you can easily carry in your pocket, and the 'every bike has its own hanger' is an idea that never should have happened.
Sram patented a direct mount derailleur fitting with the UDH interface perfectly a few years ago.
Why do it? Stiffness. Which means accuracy. Which is needed due to small gaps between gears compared to say 9spd.
Eagle is notoriously finicky about both hanger straightness and (experienced it a couple of times now) derailleur straightness. I've now seen two GXes bent and twisted in such a manner that they had 11 gears across the whole 10-50 cassette.
Here's a strange one. Yeti have applied to patent a linear derailleur. They're using a 6R linkage system that moves the derailleur in a perfectly linear...
Here's a strange one. Yeti have applied to patent a linear derailleur. They're using a 6R linkage system that moves the derailleur in a perfectly linear path. Yeti say this will be smaller, lighter, simpler, and allow for more freedom for designers. Additionally, Yeti say this will improve the performance of the derailleur system. The cool part for me is that they even include graphs with linkage movements comparing their design to SRAM and Shimano.
Sram patented a direct mount derailleur fitting with the UDH interface perfectly a few years ago.
Why do it? Stiffness. Which means accuracy. Which is needed...
Sram patented a direct mount derailleur fitting with the UDH interface perfectly a few years ago.
Why do it? Stiffness. Which means accuracy. Which is needed due to small gaps between gears compared to say 9spd.
Eagle is notoriously finicky about both hanger straightness and (experienced it a couple of times now) derailleur straightness. I've now seen two GXes bent and twisted in such a manner that they had 11 gears across the whole 10-50 cassette.
Yeah they are preparing the market for DM mechs few year ahead, this should help it to succeed unlike previous attempts... http://www.peterverdone.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/US20180265169A1p… It also seems to me like their way around shimano shadow technology, SRAM mechs are sticking out considerably further out than Shomano ones and this would even the field or maybe even turn it around.
Was getting through an Eagle X01 mech every 6 months, jockey wheels lasting 3. Sram mechs are garbage, warranty was good though, bought two mechs and warrantied each of them twice.
Just fit a Shimano mech, #ShEagle
Was getting through an Eagle X01 mech every 6 months, jockey wheels lasting 3. Sram mechs are garbage, warranty was...
Just fit a Shimano mech, #ShEagle
Was getting through an Eagle X01 mech every 6 months, jockey wheels lasting 3. Sram mechs are garbage, warranty was good though, bought two mechs and warrantied each of them twice.
Here I am going into my 3rd season with the X01 on original jockeys...
Here I am going into my 3rd season with the X01 on original jockeys...
Same here. I've had to replace a couple of hangers but other than that it's been rock-solid. (We don't have UK-grade slop in northern California but we do have a fair amount in the winter).
We have slop 6 months of the year and intermittent in the other 6 months. Had an enduro that would chew through bearings at an alarming rate, poorly sealed and wasnt the best alignment either!
Just fit a Shimano mech, #ShEagle
Was getting through an Eagle X01 mech every 6 months, jockey wheels lasting 3. Sram mechs are garbage, warranty was...
Just fit a Shimano mech, #ShEagle
Was getting through an Eagle X01 mech every 6 months, jockey wheels lasting 3. Sram mechs are garbage, warranty was good though, bought two mechs and warrantied each of them twice.
Just fit a Shimano mech, #ShEagle
Was getting through an Eagle X01 mech every 6 months, jockey wheels lasting 3. Sram mechs are garbage, warranty was...
Just fit a Shimano mech, #ShEagle
Was getting through an Eagle X01 mech every 6 months, jockey wheels lasting 3. Sram mechs are garbage, warranty was good though, bought two mechs and warrantied each of them twice.
Shimano 12 speed mechs are kinda trash though ngl. My xt mech has a weird dead spot in the clutch before it stiffens up that didn’t exist on 11 speed
I am not going to speak on behalf of Primoz, but the ancient druids of the mtb practiced the the arts of maintenance, which has been thougt to be forgotten some time in the 2010's. There may be some scrolls hidden on deep into the search results in the Great Maze of the Google.
Honestly I don't know what the catch is, but I'd be really happy to know. It might be the riding style or the terrain. Might even be the bike design and the way it pulls on the chain? Though my current bike has the longest effective chainstay length at full travel, so it does pull on the chain quite a bit.
Dunno... I have bent a few hangers, my current ones are very soft though. Other than that, I've seen two broken derailleurs a few years back in Davos (Enduro2 racing), where one of our guys lost the upper jockey (I think the cage cracked on the threads) and another one tore it off completely, where the two broken ones were then put together to make one working one.
I did notice two very bent GX Eagles in the past year where they were bent in such a manner that they had only 11 gears across the whole cassette (jumping two cogs in one place). But those didn't have clear signs of where they were hit, they were just mangled.
These kind of experiences of mine make me think that gearboxes have more or less lost their chance, 1x wide range drivetrains simply work too well and are compatible with bikes going years in the past without any changes.
I can't see why you'd want to eliminate the hanger. It's designed to be a low-cost part to fail before the derailleur. I think PB and...
I can't see why you'd want to eliminate the hanger. It's designed to be a low-cost part to fail before the derailleur. I think PB and others just like the idea of being able to easily get replacements anywhere, rather than every bike having it's own special hanger.
Problem these days is that the hangers are generally cnc’d aluminium parts and are much more solid than the derailleurs. All of the 12 speed shimano...
Problem these days is that the hangers are generally cnc’d aluminium parts and are much more solid than the derailleurs. All of the 12 speed shimano derailleurs (excluding xtr) connect the cage to the main body with plastic. Seems like the system could do with a re think?
12 speed needs a stiffer mount for the smaller tolerances.
I don’t think gearboxes are dead. I’ve had way too many ride ending derailleur issues. Especially when things are sloppy. (Just two weeks ago a derailleur jammed a bit with mud and pulled into the spokes ripping it in half.). Didn’t even have a 150 miles on it.
Someone will figure out the price and drag issues. Once that happens Seeing a derailleur on a bike will scream cheap the same way quick release vs thru axle does.
The drag part of the equation can be solved with the Shimano patent solution - gears and chains. Everything else will be draggy by design.
Realistically I only see Shimano ushering in gearboxes, nobody else will have the reach to convince the industry to completely rethink frame design and manufacturing, that will be the biggest hurdle for gearboxes if you ask me, much more than drag and market perception.
E-bikes had the option of squeezing in the gearbox (add it to the mid drive unit) very simply, but that train was also missed.
Just fit a Shimano mech, #ShEagle
Was getting through an Eagle X01 mech every 6 months, jockey wheels lasting 3. Sram mechs are garbage, warranty was...
Just fit a Shimano mech, #ShEagle
Was getting through an Eagle X01 mech every 6 months, jockey wheels lasting 3. Sram mechs are garbage, warranty was good though, bought two mechs and warrantied each of them twice.
Shimano 12 speed mechs are kinda trash though ngl. My xt mech has a weird dead spot in the clutch before it stiffens up that didn’t...
Shimano 12 speed mechs are kinda trash though ngl. My xt mech has a weird dead spot in the clutch before it stiffens up that didn’t exist on 11 speed
I agree, through one season of riding I had to service my M8100 clutch three times, I also was off the bike from the August-October because of an injury. I do wash my bike frequently which I suspect may be the issue. Shimano has no real seal on their clutch cover which means the lubricant gets washed out very quickly. On the other hand I ran a GX Eagle last year with no real issues aside from a hanger alignment now and again.
In my opinion HG+ is amazing but the new Shimano mechs need refinement.
On another note, the crash that put me out for the latter part of the season bent my derailleur cage pretty badly (not surprising really) but did nothing to my hanger. So either Rocky has overly durable hangers, or Shimano cages are a bit soft.
I had to warranty a clutch on a new XT derailleur not too long ago.. They sent me 4 clutch units.. I think they know something is amiss.. Thankfully, it's an easy replacement..
I had to warranty a clutch on a new XT derailleur not too long ago.. They sent me 4 clutch units.. I think they know something...
I had to warranty a clutch on a new XT derailleur not too long ago.. They sent me 4 clutch units.. I think they know something is amiss.. Thankfully, it's an easy replacement..
I have a shimano derailleur to warranty, where do you submit your claim?
What could they be releasing? The bike is clearly a single crown in the shadowy image. They just released the Spindrift? An ebike version of that? Or something more like the 5010? But then what's the "It's huge" part about?
https://wheelbased.com/2021/01/28/tubeless-valve-assembly-by-specialized/
Now that hangers are rock solid and $100 and derailleurs are also pretty solid but like $900, it's kind of a different story, though I agree they still should be a low-cost designed to fail part that you can easily carry in your pocket, and the 'every bike has its own hanger' is an idea that never should have happened.
Why do it? Stiffness. Which means accuracy. Which is needed due to small gaps between gears compared to say 9spd.
Eagle is notoriously finicky about both hanger straightness and (experienced it a couple of times now) derailleur straightness. I've now seen two GXes bent and twisted in such a manner that they had 11 gears across the whole 10-50 cassette.
https://www.giant-bicycles.com/de/teams-and-riders/giant-factory-off-ro…
https://m.pinkbike.com/news/andreas-kolb-joins-continental-atherton--se…
Incremental updates?
If anything, considering what's going on with Shimano derailleurs, I think it'd make sense to have the Sram version servicable too.
Was getting through an Eagle X01 mech every 6 months, jockey wheels lasting 3. Sram mechs are garbage, warranty was good though, bought two mechs and warrantied each of them twice.
Dunno... I have bent a few hangers, my current ones are very soft though. Other than that, I've seen two broken derailleurs a few years back in Davos (Enduro2 racing), where one of our guys lost the upper jockey (I think the cage cracked on the threads) and another one tore it off completely, where the two broken ones were then put together to make one working one.
I did notice two very bent GX Eagles in the past year where they were bent in such a manner that they had only 11 gears across the whole cassette (jumping two cogs in one place). But those didn't have clear signs of where they were hit, they were just mangled.
These kind of experiences of mine make me think that gearboxes have more or less lost their chance, 1x wide range drivetrains simply work too well and are compatible with bikes going years in the past without any changes.
Someone will figure out the price and drag issues. Once that happens Seeing a derailleur on a bike will scream cheap the same way quick release vs thru axle does.
Realistically I only see Shimano ushering in gearboxes, nobody else will have the reach to convince the industry to completely rethink frame design and manufacturing, that will be the biggest hurdle for gearboxes if you ask me, much more than drag and market perception.
E-bikes had the option of squeezing in the gearbox (add it to the mid drive unit) very simply, but that train was also missed.
In my opinion HG+ is amazing but the new Shimano mechs need refinement.
On another note, the crash that put me out for the latter part of the season bent my derailleur cage pretty badly (not surprising really) but did nothing to my hanger. So either Rocky has overly durable hangers, or Shimano cages are a bit soft.
Yes, there is a good reason. The chain is under tension there. Look at how well the front derailleur worked.