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12/14/2020 8:51am
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Dude you clearly just hate the Nomad we get it. You're beating a dead horse right now. Go buy a Megatower if the Nomad is such...
Dude you clearly just hate the Nomad we get it. You're beating a dead horse right now. Go buy a Megatower if the Nomad is such a terrible bike.
SC isn't obligated to stop producing a legacy bike because you don't approve of it. Those dudes are pretty good at bikes. I think they are going to keep being them and your life wont be too adversely affected.
EugenM wrote:
No, not the bike..just its 27.5" front wheel. And that legacy is bs..because I'm asking you..why isn't still a 26" wheel bike, if the legacy is...
No, not the bike..just its 27.5" front wheel. And that legacy is bs..because I'm asking you..why isn't still a 26" wheel bike, if the legacy is so important?
I am just trying to understand through discussing why they have decided on a 27.5 front wheel for the Nomad. I don't hate SC or the Nomad. Do tell that none of you guys look at the 650b front-wheel 2021 Nomad and thought...really...not even mullet..?(in 2021?) 😁
Just buy a frame and a 29er fork then. Nobody is stopping you. A 160 29er fork will be pretty similiar geo wise and a 170 will raise the front end a bit (not necessarily a bad thing if you aren’t climbing on trails much.)

They offer a mullet v10. Could always short shock it and go with shorter air spring in fork.

Santa Cruz has never made bikes for straight up plow factor. The people who choose to ride them like them for a modern but conservative geo and for a suspension package that really responds to rider input. Hence why this nomad is just a touch longer slacker than the last one. Santa doesn’t need to reinvent their wheel.

Fully expect them to offer mullet options down the road. Probably on a bike designed 100 percent to be a mullet (fits their premium brand image) or maybe something similiar to what spec did with the spec evo. But I don’t expect them to redesign their 27.5 line to be mullets. I don’t think that 30 percent of their market entirely agrees with you.

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12/14/2020 8:55am
I like the green.
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12/14/2020 9:06am
EugeneM so wait, you're saying everybody wants a faster bike and then you back that up with 'I don't want a faster bike, I want a different bike'? Because the Megatower will still probably be faster than what you described.

As for me, if I'd be buying a Santa Cruz, it'd be the Hightower, most likely in XXL. Maybe in XL (have to try one to be sure), as it's plenty bike for my needs. Like I mentioned, I don't need a faster bike Smile

And who cares if it's a mullet or not. If you want a mullet, like you were told, build one, get one made/ordered (there are companies making custom geometries) or buy another one off the shelf... The 27" bike is catering to a specific crowd that most likely doesn't have racing as the main priority (I know of someone riding a Nomad who said he has it for the more 'freeride' abilities that it provides).

Maybe Cube will bring out a mullet Fritzz? Smile
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12/14/2020 9:11am Edited Date/Time 12/14/2020 9:27am
Yees, I should just buy a cube, right? 😂

Edit. on a serious note, I said I don't want a megatower, not that I don't want a faster bike. The reason for not wanting a megatower is actually pretty childish and silly...in spring, a big eu bike retailer had all '19 megatowers on a big sale as the reviews for them weren't stellar or they were simply overstocked and thought that they should sell them fast and not get caught in a recession caused by the pandemic with a lot of high stock high value bikes that would be hard to sell. The overall result was..all around me, megatowers(and other SCs but mostly MTs) keep popping out. As I'm not trying to get in "a band", I don't want the same bike as other 5-6 from the extended riding group. Tbh, I've always wanted a Nomad but everytime something wasn't just right; and by the looks of it, there still isn't.
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12/14/2020 9:25am
Haha. Good stuff.

I like the look of the new rear end.
12/14/2020 9:33am
I like the green.
With some pink amd purple parts oh man that bike would be the perfect type of ugly
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12/14/2020 10:02am
EugenM wrote:
Yees, I should just buy a cube, right? 😂 Edit. on a serious note, I said I don't want a megatower, not that I don't want...
Yees, I should just buy a cube, right? 😂

Edit. on a serious note, I said I don't want a megatower, not that I don't want a faster bike. The reason for not wanting a megatower is actually pretty childish and silly...in spring, a big eu bike retailer had all '19 megatowers on a big sale as the reviews for them weren't stellar or they were simply overstocked and thought that they should sell them fast and not get caught in a recession caused by the pandemic with a lot of high stock high value bikes that would be hard to sell. The overall result was..all around me, megatowers(and other SCs but mostly MTs) keep popping out. As I'm not trying to get in "a band", I don't want the same bike as other 5-6 from the extended riding group. Tbh, I've always wanted a Nomad but everytime something wasn't just right; and by the looks of it, there still isn't.
Run a Nomad with a lowered Dorado or Öhlins 38 and a 29 front wheel. No one is saying you can’t and I’m sure it would shred.
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12/14/2020 10:13am
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12/14/2020 10:19am
Green and pink is sick for a Nomad. Looks pretty clean
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12/14/2020 11:08am

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12/14/2020 11:15am
thegromit wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/12/14/10180/s1200_xxx.jpg[/img]

When? The question is when... Smile
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12/14/2020 11:17am
EugenM your reasons are your own and are valid for you. I'm not shoving anything down your throat and so on. I'm merely trying to point out that you said everybody, without exception, wants a faster bike. Yet here we are, bickering about it (I don't think it's toxic or anything, but it is bickery a bit), where it has become that neither me (invalidating the 'everybody' part right there), neither you wants the fastest bike (which should be the point if you want a faster bike... just go for the fastest). And this last part, you not wanting the fastest one, is the sticking point.

And as you can see from my posts, I don't have a problem with that. It's valid to want a faster bike, but with certain limitations - say 27,5" wheels. But that again means you can say in a cover all manner 'everybody wants a faster bike'. That's what I'm droning on and on about.

And I kinda understand you about the band thing, my local group is riding Hightowers (and a few Megatowers) and I've had the option of joining, but I've put it off for another year (my Bird still works OK, so it's staying for a third season of abuse). I like being a bit out there, thinking that i'm some sort of a connoisseur, finding niche products. Smile
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12/14/2020 12:10pm
Put me in the crowd that doesn't think anyone under about 5'7" should be on a 29er unless they are paid to race XC.

Can't even get the bar height correct. 30% sales of 27.5s is still higher than I would have thought but I suspect that will swing back a bit once the huge push for 29ers lightens up a bit.
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12/14/2020 12:13pm
Seems about right, though I've seen people at ~160 cm on full 29ers (S Sight) and had a comment that it's not a problem... But yeah, 27 for XS, S and M, mullets in M and L and full 29ers in L, XL and XXL.
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12/14/2020 12:28pm
thegromit wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/12/14/10180/s1200_xxx.jpg[/img]

C-LION wrote:
When? The question is when... Smile
I hear March here. But I'm not holding my breath.

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12/14/2020 12:29pm
Because of the component shortage?
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12/14/2020 12:46pm
thegromit wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/12/14/10180/s1200_xxx.jpg[/img]

Seat tube/top tube junction isn’t my favorite but every other part of that bike looks so nice and super fast
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12/14/2020 12:52pm
EugenM wrote:
Yees, I should just buy a cube, right? 😂 Edit. on a serious note, I said I don't want a megatower, not that I don't want...
Yees, I should just buy a cube, right? 😂

Edit. on a serious note, I said I don't want a megatower, not that I don't want a faster bike. The reason for not wanting a megatower is actually pretty childish and silly...in spring, a big eu bike retailer had all '19 megatowers on a big sale as the reviews for them weren't stellar or they were simply overstocked and thought that they should sell them fast and not get caught in a recession caused by the pandemic with a lot of high stock high value bikes that would be hard to sell. The overall result was..all around me, megatowers(and other SCs but mostly MTs) keep popping out. As I'm not trying to get in "a band", I don't want the same bike as other 5-6 from the extended riding group. Tbh, I've always wanted a Nomad but everytime something wasn't just right; and by the looks of it, there still isn't.
Run a Nomad with a lowered Dorado or Öhlins 38 and a 29 front wheel. No one is saying you can’t and I’m sure it would...
Run a Nomad with a lowered Dorado or Öhlins 38 and a 29 front wheel. No one is saying you can’t and I’m sure it would shred.
Back in the day, I ran a Nomad v1 with an original Fox 40 lowered to 6" travel and it was awesome!
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12/14/2020 6:46pm
Seems weird, I’m sure I’m missing something but even the norco just posted has a seat tube forward of the bb.
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12/14/2020 7:56pm
Lawyers gotta make that money.
12/14/2020 8:03pm
vinny4130 wrote:
Seems weird, I’m sure I’m missing something but even the norco just posted has a seat tube forward of the bb.
I think it may require a straight seat tube to fit patent. It’s a patent that never should’ve been awarded and that’s the real issue. I don’t fault knolly or intense in this exchange.
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12/14/2020 8:05pm
Lawyer gotta make that money.
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12/14/2020 8:24pm
I'm thinking that Intense should be able to show enough difference between the frames to get around this.. Plus, there are a lot of other companies doing this.. That's a very generic patent..
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12/14/2020 9:47pm
Commencal also did exactly this on the 2007 era Meta 5.5 and 6 bikes...
12/15/2020 8:03am
vinny4130 wrote:
Seems weird, I’m sure I’m missing something but even the norco just posted has a seat tube forward of the bb.
I think it may require a straight seat tube to fit patent. It’s a patent that never should’ve been awarded and that’s the real issue. I...
I think it may require a straight seat tube to fit patent. It’s a patent that never should’ve been awarded and that’s the real issue. I don’t fault knolly or intense in this exchange.
If you look at the Intense Tazer, one of the models named in the lawsuit, it does not have a straight seat tube. In fact, I think all of the bikes named don't have straight seat tubes. Having an actual seat tube angle between 50 and 75 degrees and connecting to the downtube _could_ reasonably apply to to nearly all long travel full suspension bikes on the trails. There must be something more going on.



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12/15/2020 9:09am Edited Date/Time 12/15/2020 9:14am
Hi, this is actually a Carbine. I have a Tracer and it does indeed have a straight seat tube that starts in front of the bb.
I still hate everything about this lawsuit, I don't really get the reason behind it

Edit: nevermind I just took a look at the bike and the seat tube is almost straight, it has a very slight bend at the bottom

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12/15/2020 9:13am
There will be a Mullet version for Giga




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12/15/2020 9:32am
Noeserd wrote:
There will be a Mullet version for Giga [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2020/12/15/10186/s1200_xHTrvEi.jpg[/img]
There will be a Mullet version for Giga




Nice find!
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