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I’m getting the vibe this is a word salad thing for everybody. Maybe try this: The chain “knows” when to shift because of how the system/cassette is designed. Or even better: the chain “knows” what to do after the derailleur instructs it to move. Almost sounds like I’m describing a mechanical drivetrain…

Ironically my e-mtb shit itself yesterday riding from the pub, 30kg bike on DH tyres SUCKS riding uphill lol. Serves me right for not taking the dedicated pub bike hardtail, right tool for the job as they say

If the response on the other site from Propain is any indication that some companies do read these forums, I see no reason to hold back on things we feel strongly about. Seems to have worked in getting Propain to ditch cable tourism. Maybe there's still time for SC to re-tool their moulds and ditch cable suicide.

While we were bickering about transmission and cable routing, other site dropped photos of Zinc's new bike. Looks nice and simple, and is purely a freeride bike where so many other brands are building "race bikes you can freeride on".

You know what's really super awesome? When the SC bikes do finally get released like this, we'll get ANOTHER 5 pages of people rehashing the same points ad nauseum.

How about an eMTB Tech Rumors and Innovation thread stickied to the top to discuss batteries and motors?

ohhh nooo, someone might have to actually pedal

Link glide/Cues is down right amazing and the cost of the groups is less than a transmission derailleur. We were having issues with someone blasting through cassettes and one bike brand's high torque output skipping under super heavy loads. Linkglide groups solved those and many other issues this year. My Rootdown is getting linkglide this winter for Christmas so I never have to worry about it again.

Assuming people (especially in this forum) don't buy framesets and swap the parts they already have (and love) is silly lol. Last 8 years building from frames only the drivetrain is the ONE component that has been able to transfer from bike to bike. That's why this feels like a step back. Pay $500-$1000 more for the frame and now you've gotta open your wallet again and drop another rack on a wireless drivetrain that I'm sure is nice, but I can (and will) live without.

I'm not anti innovation, but I am pro choice. Having choices removed is a step backwards IMO.

.. I'm pretty sure most of those people with all the coolest new stuff are all about the eebz these days. Based on the ratio of e bikes to pedal bikes I've been seeing lately, I just wonder how big the market even is for ~$10k pedal bikes anymore.

The whole wireless only thing is really representative of what bothers me about the bike industry. Changing things for the sole reason to sell us something more expensive. Why would they not put a small hole in the head tube and in the chain stay, can fit little plugs in it if they arent needed. Its different than say 1x drivetrains or dropper posts where there is a clear and undeniable benefit. What is better about a wireless drivetrain vs a properly tuned cable one? We get rid of a $3 cable and cable housing and add a battery?

No, just practice... 😀

Aaahh, ooopsss....I've had my head buried in the sand apparently! LOL, sorry for the non-news... (still stoked to see him get back to racing now!)

Japan sucks for snow. NEVER go there😉

I just think, "cool, new bike!" Friggin love new bikes, and brakes, and forks, and shocks, hmmmmm tires, stems......Not helmets though, frig I could care less about new helmets....

continue chainstay length discussions HERE as to not drown the tech rumors out https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-Hub,2/The-Internet-Was-Wrong-Short-… started in 2016, @jeff.brines ' "short chainstays suck" thread can live on.

Look dude, I agree with a good portion of your points, but maybe don't go on the internet while drunk

Flipley (I'll get my coat)

But is it a 24/26 mullet with no drivetrain?