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Love hearing the firsthand experience Chubey, you rock.

Hard to force an event into paying for something that's been paid and budgeted for a year. We had this issue with redbull at rampage 2014 when Redbull told us they owned our helmet camera footage.... The event almost didn't happen over it. It was crazy, We owned the camera, we hit record, we paid for our diggers, we built the line, we risked injury to ride said line, yet RB would own the footage... I think we got to use the footage for person promotion, not sponsor use. and they "Scrapped" up a 1000 bucks each for it. But...

I never really had a trip paid for by an event, The FMB mandates accommodations and breakfast. Rampage now pays 7500, but to be honest that covers your expenses for the event if your from north America, and some if you're from off continent The rest you're on your own. Only exemptions to that where events in China, those they covered everything, and paid well. As the organizers saw it more as a marketing exercises than an event. And the Nissan Qashqi events in 2008 where i got 1500 euros travel support.

Oh man, I could beat this topic with a broken stick until it returned back to life. Rampage athletes get an appearance fee ever since 2015. Why not the slope guys? Most the slope guys dont actually make that much. I did Pretty good for 15 years. Id average probably 65K USD all said and done over those 15 years. Less when I started and the bigger years in the middle. That is sponsorships and winnings and any travel budgets. BUT I would spend at least 30k of that on traveling and expenses. So that 3k a month before taxes...

While no athlete is ever owed a living by anyone, when (edit: or if) the organisers are making money by selling tickets and advertising, then the competitors are absolutely within their rights to expect appearance fees, IMNSHO. The riders are the singular reason the whole circus exists!

Wow... I was already in the process of planning my trip to Whistler not only to ride, but to see my favorite riders in the Crankworx event this year. Of course everything is priced higher (flights, hotels, rental cars, etc.) due to the event, but I figured it's worth it to see all the pros compete. I feel bad for any spectator who paid a premium to get all the way to Rotorua to be a part of the event... only to see the pros protest and bow out like that.

Without the athletes you do not have a show to put on... So ya, they should be paid a base amount to compete, that goes for all professional disciplines where a gate fee is charged to watch the event.

This is what essentially tore the golf world in half. Do you get paid to show up no matter what or do you get paid to win? The difference is golf pays half the field at least something. Despite Crankworx paying out significantly more than a world cup, or any other MTB event for that matter, no one has beaten Emil in like 4 years. Then Godziek comes on the scene and is essentially a podium lock which leaves the rest of the field competing for one paycheque. Appearance fees are a slippery slope, I could see the podium contenders...

#VitalEquestrian Anyway, this thread cannot end until Sam Hill says so

take the politics to the off the bike forum.

We've seen Mr Bomba back on DH sled, took part in the first Portugal cup. Could this have something to do with Daprela leaving and Borges officially on E-EDR? Dante getting bumped back to factory spot, Bomba to Dainese DH as well as E-EDR when possible? Would be fun to see him and Moir in some DH race.

Go to bed.

You are the one being misleading. less than 10% of rape actually get reported to the police. The remaining 90% are still rape/SA. 20% of victims don't report to the police because of victim blaming from the aggressor or public discourse. another 20% of victims don't report to the police because they fear retaliation from the aggressor And another 15% of victims don't report to the police because they don't believe the police or the judicial systems would be helpful in their case.

I'm not sure an Mtb forum is really the best venue to argue about rape conviction rates to be honest.

That's not really backed up by the prosecution/conviction statistics at all. e.g.: "According to figures from the French Ministry of Gender Equality, every year in France, 94,000 women report being victims of rape or attempted rape. But in 2021, barely 1 percent of the reported assaults resulted in a conviction." In the UK it's still extremely hard to get a conviction for rape. I know someone who was drugged then raped, and despite a lot of evidence there was no conviction. I can imagine in somewhere like France it would be even harder just with what the prevailing attitude towards...

If that's true I'd understand. Not so long ago, Muc-Off seems to already have threatened them to leave, following some... erm... let's say "inapropriate language in a story on IG". From a certain Hulk look-alike rider. Who IS in the Commençal Muc-Off team...

I think the “incel” move is more to victim shame/blame and be convinced that all women secretly are wanting to sleep with men and just withhold their sexual favors out of a perverse desire to exercise power over men. At least that seems to be the mindset of the incel community I’ve had the misfortune to interact with. Not sure there’s much of that attitude evidenced at Vital.

From PB-"I just found out about the allegations. And I have to say, I’m not shocked. There was always something about him that rubbed me the wrong way, even when he was seeing some success, I wasn’t stoked." You see this is the level of informed discourse we should aspire to on here.

I found all I needed in the comments. A great chuckle. So glad I deleted my account but would love to read the downvoted comments.