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carlinojoevideo Liked a reply to forum topic E-bikes make you f*tter? Training with an eMTB

10/31/2025 12:02am
Personally, I would just rather ride 2-3 times a week on my e-bike, doing multiple laps on my favorite trails. Versus one or maybe two rides a week on non-e-bike, doing 1 lap and being smoked. This was e-bike ride this morning 15miles, 3,500ft elevation gain.
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brash Liked a reply to forum topic E-bikes make you f*tter? Training with an eMTB

10/31/2025 12:02am
Good read. I ride for fun now, all rides lead to the pub so regardless I'm having 5 schooners after the ride, any fitness aspects are moot. If I ride my "meat powered" hardtail there is a sense of acheivment, my legs are sore, my ass is sore. The beers are delicious If I ride my 170mm eeb, my upper body muscles are sore, my ass is sore, the beers are still delicious You just choose the right tool for the job that day. If I have nothing on all day I'll ride the hardtail at a leisurely pace and...
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w4s Liked a reply to forum topic E-bikes make you f*tter? Training with an eMTB

10/31/2025 12:02am
Horses for courses. I ride pretty much only ebikes now for a variety of reasons. I'm 58 and grew up when my xc bike was a bullit with super t's on dh tires and tubes, so the weight doesnt really matter to me. I really only ride 2 places, out my garage and at a pedal up bike park (Sky Tavern). The trails I ride out my garage are a blend of multi use (moto and mtb) trails climbing up with techy, off the menu trails coming down, they're really only climable (for me) on an ebike. I usually ride...
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"The whole "I still get a workout" thing is kind of lame in my opinion - when I rode mine a bunch, I definitely lost a lot of power in my legs and it made me then want to ride the ebike more since I didn't have the endurance anymore." The nuance is how you use the e-bike and how...

mcozzy Liked a reply to forum topic E-bikes make you f*tter? Training with an eMTB

10/30/2025 1:03pm
Was it fun though? Thats all that matters.
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yzedf Liked a reply to forum topic E-bikes make you f*tter? Training with an eMTB

10/30/2025 1:02pm
I think for people that can’t stand the indoor trainer, road biking or gravel riding, the e-bike is a great alternative for getting that zone 2 training volume in. The added benefit is keeping your mtb skills sharp at the same time. I’m not sure what LePigPen is talking about with regards to most of that post. Spinning out is almost always a rider issue, or you need a new tire. Bottoming out more, take the weight of the bike into account for your suspension settings seems fairly obvious. We get it, you are too badass for us mere mortals...
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Between The Tape Started a new thread E-bikes make you f*tter? Training with an eMTB

10/30/2025 11:36am
The assertion that e-bikes decrease fitness is widespread. On the surface, the reasoning appears sound: riders often feel like they have expended more energy after a normal ride compared to an e-bike ride. Therefore, normal bikes must provide superior fitness benefits, right? Not quite. This surface-level analysis misses several crucial insights about how fitness actually works. Let's start with a...
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Scaling the time axis is great suggestion. I will try and incorporate it in the next simulated leaderboard plot I do. I also thought about how each run could be normalised to account for changing track conditions, but I too came to the conclusion that it would get too complicated and make any insights difficult to understand. Thankfully, most races usually have more consistent track conditions making this less of a concern. Les Gets was particularly treacherous!
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I agree that seeing the time in the simulated leaderboard would be useful. In future weeks I will try and incorporate this in. For this week, I've redrawn the plot with the times instead of ranks for you here. For the time from leader plot, if we plot the percentage difference, what we end up doing is just horizontally squashing or expanding the distributions as we normalise the results. While I think this will allow us to better compare between sectors in terms of their relative importance, I think it will have no impact on the comparison within sectors. I...
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This is a really interesting analysis, thank you for putting it together! It would be really interesting to see the simulated leaderboard plotted as time rather than rank. Seeing how many places Maes and Bruni dropped down is surprising, but its not clear if that is due to other riders gaining so much (simulated) time and them being consistent. Also the time for leader plot is really insightful, and probably easer to understand than a box a whisker. I wonder with the sections being different lengths, if plotting the percentage difference might allow a different interpretation of the potential of...
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Rogue Racing continues to impress
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Probably one of the cooler analysis I've read on this race
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Jason_Schroeder Liked a reply to forum topic 2025 Race Talk

7/18/2025 2:46pm
@Between The Tape Simulated Racer from Andorra is live - https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/simulated-racer-was-it-palazzaris-rac… Some really cool insights into what could have been for Davide Palazzari had he not crashed in the last split. It's also crazy how little time was actually left on the track this weekend. Enjoy!
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