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Power of thiccness is a wild marketing line

The conventional wisdom about Shimano used to be that they moved slowly with product development but (with a few exceptions) released stuff that just worked. But the dual-spring clutchless derailleurs don't seem like they fall into that category of "just works." (Caveat: I have not ridden one myself. I'm basing this on other people's reviews.) Will be very interesting to see if Shimano sticks to their guns on this design, or if they backtrack in a year or two.

Yea, that's true, but the M8220 XT lever doesn't, and I'm pretty sure otherwise they are identical to the M9220. Could run that with the new mineral oil and essentially have the new set up.

Excuse my French, but could we fucking please stop calling bikes "analog", "acoustic", or -the worst I've heard- "bio"? Bikes are bikes. Ebikes are something else. Now get off my fucking lawn you punks!

Nah man, Ineos Grenadiers, just like it's Jumbo Visma, Bora Hansgroh, and Trek-Segafredo

and for everything electric it's just power, torque and battery talk. yawn.

The etiquette piece might be my single biggest grievance from the ebike crowd. I'm a big guy and climbing is not my strength, so I have PLENTY of experience with being passed on the uptrails by both regular and ebike riders. The ebike riders are exponentially worse at saying excuse me, on your left, or simply making some noise to let you know they're behind you. I've even seen groups of ebike riders talking and laughing about how fast they're cruising past other riders at the top of the climb. These aren't new riders. At the end of the day...

Specialized single handedly making this sport look pretentious as hell. I dont care who you are or how “cooool” it is, if youre buying that bike, Im going to laugh at you. Tahoe about to be filled with this shit.

Yesterday I spoke with a guy who rode a couple of EDRs and would always ride xtr mech since forever but he was on a sram. He said not only the chain slap was unbearable on the new di2 xtr but he would also drop chains pretty much daily, to the extend the top of his crank which cought the chain became all scratched... The shifting was absolutely amazing but the reliability is horrible and he also noticed shimano sponsored enduro pros would run full dh chain tensioners or STFUs just to keep the chain on, which is mindboggling how...

I feel like I can hear the derailleur just by looking at it 🙊

Quite the AI stuffed into this little whip.

I think the purpose of that little tab is to be a mini chain guide for the upper pulley in big chain slap moments. Pull the cage forward by hand and imagine the chain slapping and flopping around. Seems like it'd be easy for the chain to jump off the upper pulley if that tab wasn't there. I just checked a couple of X01 derailleurs in the old parts bin because the clutches started to wear out, and you can clearly see that the chain has hit that tab.

When everyone knows new bikes are to be tested in Transition's parking lot

"So, you're telling me that Pivot came all the way to Golden Colorado, a mere 1.5miles from Yeti's HQ to telemetry test one of their bikes?"

We sure they are carbon?

This already happened... the original rims were branded Santa Cruz. They then switched to Reserve branding.

I’m dying of thirst over here

Mayb the thread should be retitled, something like “tech rumors and innovation… and bitching about it.”

I am not seeing how the last 4 pages of this thread have anything to do with rumors or innovation.