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Takes 10 mins to get to the battery on the SL.
Borrowed a mates levo sl for all of last December and January as my KSL shit itself for the 4th time in a 1000miles. Fantastic handling bike, from memory it was around the 20kg mark with no range extender. IMO it needed a 600 battery, then it would happily do 5000ft on the main battery at a decent level of assistance.
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Orbea Rallon RS? Yes!! but please use the 60 next time around. But that integration, geo, travel etc 🤤🤤🤤
Here is what I was hinting at - https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/orbeas-rallon-rs-e-bike-thats-not-e-bikers
“Drop” is a better way to describe it since you can leave the back two bolts in and rotate the motor back to let the battery slide out. This video is from the previous gen Levo SL but the same process applies to the current gen - https://youtu.be/SiuRrQ1aX7I?si=a7dWeP5xXqoYL2yi
Don't understand why Spesh didn't publicize that you can run the bike off just the range extender. That setup is really attractive to me since I live close enough to the trails where pedaling is possible, but it's about 30 minutes each way. It'd be amazing to knock out the pavement in turbo and then have a normal analog ride. Nothing like riding mountain bikes out from your house.
That's possible on the Levo 4 as well, but on that one it drops the power output by 50% when you run the extender only.
Any info on the Vala SL ? It should replace the heckler SL but I can’t find anything. Should be coming this season …
This is what you want: https://bimotal.com/products/elevate?srsltid=AfmBOoo5E08KFj8SOfj_Qd8zkdiXw-7iZHj0pNBpPzJcWGm1frA9Tk27
It means you can use any bike you want, and use the motor for just the commute, then take it off for the rest of the ride, since it's unsprung weight.
I have absolutely zero info but my prediction is they do a DJI Vala with the 600wh battery and VPP. The DJI 600wh battery is within a pound of Bosch's 400wh. A man can dream...
Online rumors have Avinox batteries moving from 600>700something and 800>1000 while remaining at the same relative weight. If you're tight with a dealer, maybe they can verify. Imagine everyone is NDA'ed at the moment who actually know the truth. Sea Otter all will be known.
Definitely, I ride to the trails (about 10 mins) in boost, get there quick smart and fresh. Knock it back to trail on the ep8 and thats plenty of assistance for me. Ride until I'm tired, grab a beer and back home on boost again. No cars involved. I swear it's faster to ride than drive around my way.
I heard rumors that Santa Cruz was working with Porsche mobility on a future SL ebike release prior to porsche pulling the plug on any future ebike drivetrain development. I would guess that Santa Cruz is re-configuring that model for a supported power unit, I have absolutely no idea what that may be, or any other particulars about this mystery project.
DJI/Avinox:
My local amflow shop had some info about upcoming updates, but seemed to have specifically not been told the battery capacity.
Definitely wouldn't buy an ebike right now until the full avinox/amflow refresh details come out in a few weeks.
Orbea news: cool idea and tech, but if they really wanted to move the needle the tq60 with a double crown fork build would have been insane.
I also think the industry is shooting itself in the foot trying to make the SL bikes more premium (i.e. expensive) than full fat builds. Now we have an ultra SL and it is even more premium than the SLs! What are we paying for, less battery cells??
It will be really interesting to eventually have people do timed laps with the motor off comparing the rallon, rallon RS and wild. I'm convinced the best weight for DH is closer to 22kg than 16kg.
Did Porsche end the Fazua stuff? I didn’t hear that.
This guy gets it.
I was in the camp of thinking Orbea made a mistake not speccing the TQ HPR60 motor but now having watched Schroeder's video I can see the benefits and purity of experience that the HPR 40 motor offers. The idea of having a bike that climbs like an XC bike but can charge DH and give a good pedaling workout is perfect. Honestly it has made me want to go buy one right now and just having had a 50th birthday with the go ahead from the CEO for a 12k bike budget I just might!
I do think Orbea should make one with the 60 motor and dual crown, call it the Rallon RSR and yes I would probably choose that over the current but it might not be the better bike especially since I have a '25 V10 that gets plenty of use shuttling or at bike parks.
Went to the TQ site to compare the specs for the 40 vs 60.
TQ40 motor 1.17 kg + 290Wh battery 1.46 kg = 2.63 kg (5.7982 lbs)
TQ60 motor 1.924 kg + 580Wh battery 2.695 kg = 4.619 kg (10.1832 lbs)
So that is a hefty difference of 1.989 kg / 4.385 lbs. Think I would still take the TQ60 myself.
(Avinox M1 is 2.52 kg and the current 600 Wh battery is 2.87 kg & 800 Wh is 3.74 kg)
So the pinkbike review of the Rallon RS added another significant wrinkle to the equation. Apparently to get the weight of the motor down, it is missing a clutch, which leads to massive pedal kickback feeling when the motor engages on rolling terrain. Orbea has some system in place to minimise this based on various sensors, but apparently you are better off turning off the assist on descents...
So yeah, I'd take the TQ60 in nearly every scenario, even with the tiny battery.
I can only think of one type of bike I would love to see the TQ40 in: https://racing.trekbikes.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/PJM_0500-scaled…
Relative weights? What does that mean? I hate the trend that batteries always need to have more capacity while the motor needs to be more powerful. That way we will never have low weight and high power.
I want a mid-power, mid-weight, mid-travel ebike. The Orbea is too niche and expensive for my taste and what you're getting.
The ideal weight for dh or even Enduro is hard to gauge but probably the sweetspot for lost chunkier trails lies between 17-20kg but also is relative to rider weight, skill and strength/stamina.
Dang… I’m trying to fig out which sl emtb to get and yall got me spun with some possible new bikes coming out soon. New vala sl and amflow coming?! I was set on a tq60 in the fuel+.
I have the same problem. :-D
Fuel+ or Yeti MTe but the Vala SL could be a great alternative.
Fuel imo has better geo for taller folks- I’d be an xl.
MTE is sweet and the suspension supposed to be awesome. Bummer it comes with a 36 vs a 38.
Vala sl could be a good option but would prefer the tq or similar motor.
What does the 360wh TQ battery weigh? Would be a better comparison. I don't know why they went with the HPR40 over the HPR60. Makes no sense to me. Pretty sure the 290wh battery is compatible with the HPR60 also.
The choice to go with the tq40 seems somewhat obvious when you think about it. An obvious target of this exercise would be to deliver a bike in this form factor with a sub 40, or right at 40lb weight. Going to the tq60 would immediately mean you're at 41lbs, and then you would immediately get slayed in the internet-o-sphere for range complaints. At that point, the bike is spitting distance to some of the trimmed down full power bikes, or directly overlapping with the slash+.
I do agree, that if I were buying this, I would have rather gotten it with the tq60 and dealt with a smaller internal battery and bank on a range extender for any rides where I would be doing more typical ebike things. For me, I'd almost rather have had the hp60 purely because of the secondary clutch on the chainring... but I will reserve judgement until I ride one.
My hunch is that orbea is a bit early to the party on this and the release of this bike is sort of a happy coincidence of their design on the rallon with the bottom bracket area/sled attachment. I think orbea is onto something with this design... Imagine what the next iteration of this style is going to be and ask yourself... if you're in the market for a long travel bike and you're looking at a nomad/slash+ etc... and there is a non-electrified version that is 35lbs and 7k and then an electrified version that is 37lbs without a battery, 40lbs with one, and 8,500 (and may honestly handle better)... which one are you more interested in?
Edit: Lastly... if there was ever an argument for frame only ebike purchasing... this is the most interesting candidate I've seen yet.
Yes agreed, hr60 motor small slim internal battery and external range extender when needed. The rest of the bike offers so many of the things I want in a fast rowdy bike.
This bike is 18.1kg in a size L. The HPR60 is only 800g heavier so it would still be sub 20kg with the HPR60 (if sticking with the 290wh battery). It would probably still be sub 20kg with the 360wh battery too.
To me for the sake of 800g it would have made more sense to spec the HPR60.
Depends what you are riding.
The slash + for getting rowdy, or the mte for more varied use.
Yeti missed a trick not putting the tq60 in the lte...
Ya lte with tq60 would be it. Trek id get the fuel+
The Bosch CXR has the same efficiency as the HP60. Just makes more sense to have the low stressed CXR and a 600w battery that you can turn down to run like the HP60. That's about 1# more than the HP60 w/ a 580w battery, and a much broader market appeal.
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