why do they need to release something new? geometry is still spot on, the only thing i would change is shock orientation to increase dropper insertion...
why do they need to release something new? geometry is still spot on, the only thing i would change is shock orientation to increase dropper insertion. oh and a motor version of course
Increase dropper insertion.
Once this has been modernized they'll be on my shortlist!
Is replacing 8 more bearings when you already have your linkage blown apart really that big of a deal? I don’t ride a crazy amount, but...
Is replacing 8 more bearings when you already have your linkage blown apart really that big of a deal? I don’t ride a crazy amount, but I do ride a good amount, and I do not replace my bearings more than every other year. Most of the time they are still fine. Unless you’re in the top 0.1% of riders I don’t see any reason why you should be replacing bearings more than once a year. So maybe 8 more bearings to change might take another 2 hours if you’re severely bad at using tools. I spend more than 2 hours a week on this silly page lol.
I’m not advocating for 6 bar bikes, but it makes me scream inside when people won’t stop complaining about some imaginary bearing nightmare that doesn’t really exist.
It depends on the bike. Some bikes are easier to change bearings than others, some bikes wear bearings out faster. If you have a bike that...
It depends on the bike. Some bikes are easier to change bearings than others, some bikes wear bearings out faster. If you have a bike that is both difficult to change bearings on and eats bearings it would get old fast.
What I don't fully understand is why we aren't seeing needle bearings in frame picot locations yet? Works well for mx bikes and the forces and moisture seen there are way worse then mtb. Solid lube bearings should atleast become standard. I threw some solid lubes in a linkage spot on an old bike I used to kill constantly. Immediately went a couple years without needing replaced.
Is replacing 8 more bearings when you already have your linkage blown apart really that big of a deal? I don’t ride a crazy amount, but...
Is replacing 8 more bearings when you already have your linkage blown apart really that big of a deal? I don’t ride a crazy amount, but I do ride a good amount, and I do not replace my bearings more than every other year. Most of the time they are still fine. Unless you’re in the top 0.1% of riders I don’t see any reason why you should be replacing bearings more than once a year. So maybe 8 more bearings to change might take another 2 hours if you’re severely bad at using tools. I spend more than 2 hours a week on this silly page lol.
I’m not advocating for 6 bar bikes, but it makes me scream inside when people won’t stop complaining about some imaginary bearing nightmare that doesn’t really exist.
It depends on the bike. Some bikes are easier to change bearings than others, some bikes wear bearings out faster. If you have a bike that...
It depends on the bike. Some bikes are easier to change bearings than others, some bikes wear bearings out faster. If you have a bike that is both difficult to change bearings on and eats bearings it would get old fast.
What I don't fully understand is why we aren't seeing needle bearings in frame picot locations yet? Works well for mx bikes and the forces and...
What I don't fully understand is why we aren't seeing needle bearings in frame picot locations yet? Works well for mx bikes and the forces and moisture seen there are way worse then mtb. Solid lube bearings should atleast become standard. I threw some solid lubes in a linkage spot on an old bike I used to kill constantly. Immediately went a couple years without needing replaced.
Two big reasons: available width for packaging and side loads.
On a moto the linkage doesn’t get side loaded, the swingarm mounts directly to the frame.
I think I’m going for my next bike get it repainted a plain color and buy one of those diapers and ride it everywhere so people will think it’s a prototype 😂
In my 30 years of riding mountain bikes, I've owned 40+ full suspension bikes, and not once did I ever consider bearing replacement ease/difficulty when considering a frame. I know we're a bunch of nerds on here, but do some of you actually consider that when looking at a bike?
are tehre any new fenders for the podium in the making? i saw a picture somewhere about a fender attached to the carbon guards, maybe someone has a photo?
It depends on the bike. Some bikes are easier to change bearings than others, some bikes wear bearings out faster. If you have a bike that...
It depends on the bike. Some bikes are easier to change bearings than others, some bikes wear bearings out faster. If you have a bike that is both difficult to change bearings on and eats bearings it would get old fast.
What I don't fully understand is why we aren't seeing needle bearings in frame picot locations yet? Works well for mx bikes and the forces and...
What I don't fully understand is why we aren't seeing needle bearings in frame picot locations yet? Works well for mx bikes and the forces and moisture seen there are way worse then mtb. Solid lube bearings should atleast become standard. I threw some solid lubes in a linkage spot on an old bike I used to kill constantly. Immediately went a couple years without needing replaced.
Two big reasons: available width for packaging and side loads.
On a moto the linkage doesn’t get side loaded, the swingarm mounts directly to the frame.
We are getting way into the weeds here but also if most mtb guys have enough trouble with cartridge bearings then I think their head would literally explode when faced with the task of changing a needle bearing in a moto style linkage 🤣
are tehre any new fenders for the podium in the making? i saw a picture somewhere about a fender attached to the carbon guards, maybe someone...
are tehre any new fenders for the podium in the making? i saw a picture somewhere about a fender attached to the carbon guards, maybe someone has a photo?
Push own a patent for fenders that extend up from the stanchion guards and sit on top of the tyre (exactly like a "normal" fender, just attached to the stanchion guards either side) that is meaning companies aren't bringing them to market in fear of cease and desist notices.
You can get them from certain people who will 3D print this design, but they aren't widely available.
It's uncertain if Push' patent will prevent any of these style of guards making it to market, it just hasn't been tested yet.
are tehre any new fenders for the podium in the making? i saw a picture somewhere about a fender attached to the carbon guards, maybe someone...
are tehre any new fenders for the podium in the making? i saw a picture somewhere about a fender attached to the carbon guards, maybe someone has a photo?
are tehre any new fenders for the podium in the making? i saw a picture somewhere about a fender attached to the carbon guards, maybe someone...
are tehre any new fenders for the podium in the making? i saw a picture somewhere about a fender attached to the carbon guards, maybe someone has a photo?
why do they need to release something new? geometry is still spot on, the only thing i would change is shock orientation to increase dropper insertion...
why do they need to release something new? geometry is still spot on, the only thing i would change is shock orientation to increase dropper insertion. oh and a motor version of course
Once this has been modernized they'll be on my shortlist!
I just took delivery of a Titan v3.2 last week. My legs are long enough to use a 210mm One Up post in my size XL frame and the thing rips. UDH compatibility is about the only thing missing IMO and that's easily upgraded with the modular dropouts.
are tehre any new fenders for the podium in the making? i saw a picture somewhere about a fender attached to the carbon guards, maybe someone...
are tehre any new fenders for the podium in the making? i saw a picture somewhere about a fender attached to the carbon guards, maybe someone has a photo?
Push own a patent for fenders that extend up from the stanchion guards and sit on top of the tyre (exactly like a "normal" fender, just...
Push own a patent for fenders that extend up from the stanchion guards and sit on top of the tyre (exactly like a "normal" fender, just attached to the stanchion guards either side) that is meaning companies aren't bringing them to market in fear of cease and desist notices.
You can get them from certain people who will 3D print this design, but they aren't widely available.
It's uncertain if Push' patent will prevent any of these style of guards making it to market, it just hasn't been tested yet.
Interesting. I figured that was a DVO thing but maybe they didn't patten it? The OG Emerald had a great looking stanchion guard/arch
re: bearingsIn my 30 years of riding mountain bikes, I've owned 40+ full suspension bikes, and not once did I ever consider bearing replacement ease/difficulty when...
re: bearings
In my 30 years of riding mountain bikes, I've owned 40+ full suspension bikes, and not once did I ever consider bearing replacement ease/difficulty when considering a frame. I know we're a bunch of nerds on here, but do some of you actually consider that when looking at a bike?
Tell me you never owned an Ibis for more than 12 months without telling me you never owned an Ibis for more than 12 months.
re: bearingsIn my 30 years of riding mountain bikes, I've owned 40+ full suspension bikes, and not once did I ever consider bearing replacement ease/difficulty when...
re: bearings
In my 30 years of riding mountain bikes, I've owned 40+ full suspension bikes, and not once did I ever consider bearing replacement ease/difficulty when considering a frame. I know we're a bunch of nerds on here, but do some of you actually consider that when looking at a bike?
You got a new frame every year sometimes sooner so you probably never had to even think about frame bearings going bad. No shade! I've done the same for the past 8 years and never once thought about changing bearings. (including 2 Ripmos and a Stumpy Evo with 3,000mi on it). Does worrying about bearings come from trauma of old Santa Cruz's eating them?
are tehre any new fenders for the podium in the making? i saw a picture somewhere about a fender attached to the carbon guards, maybe someone...
are tehre any new fenders for the podium in the making? i saw a picture somewhere about a fender attached to the carbon guards, maybe someone has a photo?
That was a DIY fender made by a rider, don't think it is intended to ever be an actual product.
why do they need to release something new? geometry is still spot on, the only thing i would change is shock orientation to increase dropper insertion...
why do they need to release something new? geometry is still spot on, the only thing i would change is shock orientation to increase dropper insertion. oh and a motor version of course
I just took delivery of a Titan v3.2 last week. My legs are long enough to use a 210mm One Up post in my size XL...
I just took delivery of a Titan v3.2 last week. My legs are long enough to use a 210mm One Up post in my size XL frame and the thing rips. UDH compatibility is about the only thing missing IMO and that's easily upgraded with the modular dropouts.
why do they need to release something new? geometry is still spot on, the only thing i would change is shock orientation to increase dropper insertion...
why do they need to release something new? geometry is still spot on, the only thing i would change is shock orientation to increase dropper insertion. oh and a motor version of course
I just took delivery of a Titan v3.2 last week. My legs are long enough to use a 210mm One Up post in my size XL...
I just took delivery of a Titan v3.2 last week. My legs are long enough to use a 210mm One Up post in my size XL frame and the thing rips. UDH compatibility is about the only thing missing IMO and that's easily upgraded with the modular dropouts.
Jealous, at 5-7 I’d be lucky to get 150-160mm of drop, whereas I’m at 180mm of drop on my Spire with room to spare.
I just took delivery of a Titan v3.2 last week. My legs are long enough to use a 210mm One Up post in my size XL...
I just took delivery of a Titan v3.2 last week. My legs are long enough to use a 210mm One Up post in my size XL frame and the thing rips. UDH compatibility is about the only thing missing IMO and that's easily upgraded with the modular dropouts.
my legs are long enough to ride a 210 on a large, on other frames i could easily ride a 240. your point?
Is replacing 8 more bearings when you already have your linkage blown apart really that big of a deal? I don’t ride a crazy amount, but...
Is replacing 8 more bearings when you already have your linkage blown apart really that big of a deal? I don’t ride a crazy amount, but I do ride a good amount, and I do not replace my bearings more than every other year. Most of the time they are still fine. Unless you’re in the top 0.1% of riders I don’t see any reason why you should be replacing bearings more than once a year. So maybe 8 more bearings to change might take another 2 hours if you’re severely bad at using tools. I spend more than 2 hours a week on this silly page lol.
I’m not advocating for 6 bar bikes, but it makes me scream inside when people won’t stop complaining about some imaginary bearing nightmare that doesn’t really exist.
It depends on the bike. Some bikes are easier to change bearings than others, some bikes wear bearings out faster. If you have a bike that...
It depends on the bike. Some bikes are easier to change bearings than others, some bikes wear bearings out faster. If you have a bike that is both difficult to change bearings on and eats bearings it would get old fast.
What I don't fully understand is why we aren't seeing needle bearings in frame picot locations yet? Works well for mx bikes and the forces and...
What I don't fully understand is why we aren't seeing needle bearings in frame picot locations yet? Works well for mx bikes and the forces and moisture seen there are way worse then mtb. Solid lube bearings should atleast become standard. I threw some solid lubes in a linkage spot on an old bike I used to kill constantly. Immediately went a couple years without needing replaced.
Turner used them in conjunction with thrust bearings in the round tube DHR. In practise they had similar issues to bushings - they have very narrow tolerances so you either had play or they wore out too fast. Especially when dealing with side loads its hard to secure all the parts and still work smoothly
re: bearingsIn my 30 years of riding mountain bikes, I've owned 40+ full suspension bikes, and not once did I ever consider bearing replacement ease/difficulty when...
re: bearings
In my 30 years of riding mountain bikes, I've owned 40+ full suspension bikes, and not once did I ever consider bearing replacement ease/difficulty when considering a frame. I know we're a bunch of nerds on here, but do some of you actually consider that when looking at a bike?
After going from a Santa Cruz to a Spesh Enduro: sadly yes
Anyone have any updates on the release timing for the new Banshee Titan? And feature speculation?
BotD made me think of it.
From what I've heard, nothing new for 2026. Apparently making it UDH compatible correctly, with current geo, involves more than just new dropout forgings, so a redesigned swingarm would have to be part of the package. It's a fantastic bike to ride but definitely in need of updates to the seat tube, dropouts, and cable retention. 160mm travel would be nice too.
That BotD Titan might have something else to speculate about if you look closely.
On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a...
On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a proto….
I'd buy it being an intense but their mules are typically aluminum - would be very close to production. Also, don't the dw6 bikes have solid rear ends without the rear pivot of a horst link? Is this an 8 bar? What even is this?
re: bearingsIn my 30 years of riding mountain bikes, I've owned 40+ full suspension bikes, and not once did I ever consider bearing replacement ease/difficulty when...
re: bearings
In my 30 years of riding mountain bikes, I've owned 40+ full suspension bikes, and not once did I ever consider bearing replacement ease/difficulty when considering a frame. I know we're a bunch of nerds on here, but do some of you actually consider that when looking at a bike?
I'd buy it being an intense but their mules are typically aluminum - would be very close to production. Also, don't the dw6 bikes have solid...
I'd buy it being an intense but their mules are typically aluminum - would be very close to production. Also, don't the dw6 bikes have solid rear ends without the rear pivot of a horst link? Is this an 8 bar? What even is this?
The pivotless variant is the Phoenix which is a flex tail and thus a DW5. But it's flexing instead of pivoting. A pivot is technically needed. A 5bar layout won't really work.
Arherton bikes do have the pivot and are named DW6.
From what I've heard, nothing new for 2026. Apparently making it UDH compatible correctly, with current geo, involves more than just new dropout forgings, so a...
From what I've heard, nothing new for 2026. Apparently making it UDH compatible correctly, with current geo, involves more than just new dropout forgings, so a redesigned swingarm would have to be part of the package. It's a fantastic bike to ride but definitely in need of updates to the seat tube, dropouts, and cable retention. 160mm travel would be nice too.
That BotD Titan might have something else to speculate about if you look closely.
It's definitely a raw rocker and appears to be a reworked swingarm. Slightly modified kinematics? It has different brake hose retention, at the very least. Would be nice to see it go post-mount native on the dropout forgings
I'd buy it being an intense but their mules are typically aluminum - would be very close to production. Also, don't the dw6 bikes have solid...
I'd buy it being an intense but their mules are typically aluminum - would be very close to production. Also, don't the dw6 bikes have solid rear ends without the rear pivot of a horst link? Is this an 8 bar? What even is this?
The pivotless variant is the Phoenix which is a flex tail and thus a DW5. But it's flexing instead of pivoting. A pivot is technically needed...
The pivotless variant is the Phoenix which is a flex tail and thus a DW5. But it's flexing instead of pivoting. A pivot is technically needed. A 5bar layout won't really work.
Arherton bikes do have the pivot and are named DW6.
On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a...
On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a proto….
Thanks for everyone’s thoughts on this! Scor was an interesting one, I hadn’t thought of that. My best bet was a next gen Norco Sight, maybe from before they committed everything to the elevated crab approach. Cable routing exit maybe matches, and I swear I heard rumors there was some churn in their design strategy…
Picture was from March of 2024, too(I REALLY wanted someone to release that bike)
On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a...
On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a proto….
That proto frame goes way back. I shot this photo of it in the early fall of 2023. Sorry for poor quality. The obvious heel rub and linkage swap-out (on your more current photo) shows it's seen a lot of hours. The guy riding it started working for a different bike company, so he may have offloaded this one to another industry friend. At the time, I was thinking it was maybe a Diamondback prototype that got canceled/never saw the light of day. He was fairly open with it; it was spotted at local Seattle area watering hole(s), etc.
That proto frame goes way back. I shot this photo of it in the early fall of 2023. Sorry for poor quality. The obvious heel rub...
That proto frame goes way back. I shot this photo of it in the early fall of 2023. Sorry for poor quality. The obvious heel rub and linkage swap-out (on your more current photo) shows it's seen a lot of hours. The guy riding it started working for a different bike company, so he may have offloaded this one to another industry friend. At the time, I was thinking it was maybe a Diamondback prototype that got canceled/never saw the light of day. He was fairly open with it; it was spotted at local Seattle area watering hole(s), etc.
Increase dropper insertion.
Once this has been modernized they'll be on my shortlist!
What I don't fully understand is why we aren't seeing needle bearings in frame picot locations yet? Works well for mx bikes and the forces and moisture seen there are way worse then mtb. Solid lube bearings should atleast become standard. I threw some solid lubes in a linkage spot on an old bike I used to kill constantly. Immediately went a couple years without needing replaced.
Two big reasons: available width for packaging and side loads.
On a moto the linkage doesn’t get side loaded, the swingarm mounts directly to the frame.
I think I’m going for my next bike get it repainted a plain color and buy one of those diapers and ride it everywhere so people will think it’s a prototype 😂
re: bearings
In my 30 years of riding mountain bikes, I've owned 40+ full suspension bikes, and not once did I ever consider bearing replacement ease/difficulty when considering a frame. I know we're a bunch of nerds on here, but do some of you actually consider that when looking at a bike?
are tehre any new fenders for the podium in the making? i saw a picture somewhere about a fender attached to the carbon guards, maybe someone has a photo?
Maybe if Saudis buy it the riders can get some LIV golf kind of money.
Ok back to reality 😂
We are getting way into the weeds here but also if most mtb guys have enough trouble with cartridge bearings then I think their head would literally explode when faced with the task of changing a needle bearing in a moto style linkage 🤣
Push own a patent for fenders that extend up from the stanchion guards and sit on top of the tyre (exactly like a "normal" fender, just attached to the stanchion guards either side) that is meaning companies aren't bringing them to market in fear of cease and desist notices.
You can get them from certain people who will 3D print this design, but they aren't widely available.
It's uncertain if Push' patent will prevent any of these style of guards making it to market, it just hasn't been tested yet.
Supposedly coming soon from Fox...
https://ridefox.com/products/fox-fork-mud-guard?variant=47533615907040
https://www.instagram.com/stories/visionvelo.eu/3767806146599019732?utm…
I just took delivery of a Titan v3.2 last week. My legs are long enough to use a 210mm One Up post in my size XL frame and the thing rips. UDH compatibility is about the only thing missing IMO and that's easily upgraded with the modular dropouts.
Interesting. I figured that was a DVO thing but maybe they didn't patten it? The OG Emerald had a great looking stanchion guard/arch
Tell me you never owned an Ibis for more than 12 months without telling me you never owned an Ibis for more than 12 months.
You got a new frame every year sometimes sooner so you probably never had to even think about frame bearings going bad. No shade! I've done the same for the past 8 years and never once thought about changing bearings. (including 2 Ripmos and a Stumpy Evo with 3,000mi on it). Does worrying about bearings come from trauma of old Santa Cruz's eating them?
That was a DIY fender made by a rider, don't think it is intended to ever be an actual product.
Banshee UDH aftermarket perhaps?
https://www.instagram.com/p/DORa0yFiZFB/?igsh=MW5hMXExM2o2N214Zw==
Jealous, at 5-7 I’d be lucky to get 150-160mm of drop, whereas I’m at 180mm of drop on my Spire with room to spare.
my legs are long enough to ride a 210 on a large, on other frames i could easily ride a 240. your point?
Turner used them in conjunction with thrust bearings in the round tube DHR. In practise they had similar issues to bushings - they have very narrow tolerances so you either had play or they wore out too fast. Especially when dealing with side loads its hard to secure all the parts and still work smoothly
After going from a Santa Cruz to a Spesh Enduro: sadly yes
From what I've heard, nothing new for 2026. Apparently making it UDH compatible correctly, with current geo, involves more than just new dropout forgings, so a redesigned swingarm would have to be part of the package. It's a fantastic bike to ride but definitely in need of updates to the seat tube, dropouts, and cable retention. 160mm travel would be nice too.
That BotD Titan might have something else to speculate about if you look closely.
I'd buy it being an intense but their mules are typically aluminum - would be very close to production. Also, don't the dw6 bikes have solid rear ends without the rear pivot of a horst link? Is this an 8 bar? What even is this?
I have 2 - a HD6 that'll be 2 years old next month and a Ripley V5 that's a year and 3 months old. I'm not sure I get your comment?
The pivotless variant is the Phoenix which is a flex tail and thus a DW5. But it's flexing instead of pivoting. A pivot is technically needed. A 5bar layout won't really work.
Arherton bikes do have the pivot and are named DW6.
It's definitely a raw rocker and appears to be a reworked swingarm. Slightly modified kinematics? It has different brake hose retention, at the very least. Would be nice to see it go post-mount native on the dropout forgings
Got it, that makes more sense and thank you!
Thanks for everyone’s thoughts on this! Scor was an interesting one, I hadn’t thought of that. My best bet was a next gen Norco Sight, maybe from before they committed everything to the elevated crab approach. Cable routing exit maybe matches, and I swear I heard rumors there was some churn in their design strategy…
Picture was from March of 2024, too(I REALLY wanted someone to release that bike)
That proto frame goes way back. I shot this photo of it in the early fall of 2023. Sorry for poor quality. The obvious heel rub and linkage swap-out (on your more current photo) shows it's seen a lot of hours. The guy riding it started working for a different bike company, so he may have offloaded this one to another industry friend. At the time, I was thinking it was maybe a Diamondback prototype that got canceled/never saw the light of day. He was fairly open with it; it was spotted at local Seattle area watering hole(s), etc.
Does this guy never drink water on a ride