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10/20/2025 7:21am
I've been wondering what the next big thing is going to be for the industry to try and hype us up on... Will dual purpose Enduro/...

I've been wondering what the next big thing is going to be for the industry to try and hype us up on... Will dual purpose Enduro/ DH bikes be it? Go from Enduro pedal friendly bike to DH plow machine by simply switching out most of the major components on your bike..

I suspect we'll see more of the one frame Enduro/ DH bike moving forward. Orbea proved the concept can work, and it spreads the development cost over...

I suspect we'll see more of the one frame Enduro/ DH bike moving forward. 

Orbea proved the concept can work, and it spreads the development cost over a larger amount of bikes. 

It's better for the manufacturers. 

Riders like the concept of being able to swap out the fork and shock for the once or twice a year park day, even if most riders never do it. It's the same as flip chips, most riders find the setting they like and stay there. I'd bet a good bit of riders never change the flip chip from the out of the box settings, but still find the idea attractive and a selling point.

nskerb wrote:
Yeah I think it is a selling point that nobody ever really uses. I don't think more than a handfull of people across the world will...

Yeah I think it is a selling point that nobody ever really uses. I don't think more than a handfull of people across the world will be converting their rallon from enduro rig to a DH rig for a park weekend on an even semi-regular basis. Are people really going to get the different links, shock, fork, and maybe wheels/tires just for a couple of park weekends a year? And if you're actually going to a park more often I'd say its easier to just own a decent DH bike. IDK man.

 

I'd say it's a way bigger win for manufacturers to just be able to SAY that you can convert your bike as a selling point while also not having to have a full dedicated DH bike to develop every few years.

The only really practical case I could see for swapping back and forth would be if you mostly raced dh and rode park in the summer and if you lived somewhere where you could train and do more pedaling in the off season. Sea to sky kind of situation, were you ride Whistler park all summer, but then ride Squamish and North Van all winter. 

But I'm not sure anyone will be swapping back and forth on a regular basis. 

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10/20/2025 8:08am
saskskier wrote:
The only really practical case I could see for swapping back and forth would be if you mostly raced dh and rode park in the summer...

The only really practical case I could see for swapping back and forth would be if you mostly raced dh and rode park in the summer and if you lived somewhere where you could train and do more pedaling in the off season. Sea to sky kind of situation, were you ride Whistler park all summer, but then ride Squamish and North Van all winter. 

But I'm not sure anyone will be swapping back and forth on a regular basis. 

I do like the idea of having the option to mix "enduro" front and "DH" rear. For example a single crown DH Build or a dual crown enduro build. Nothing revolutionary but people love to tinker around with their bikes, myself included. 

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10/20/2025 10:19am
saskskier wrote:
The only really practical case I could see for swapping back and forth would be if you mostly raced dh and rode park in the summer...

The only really practical case I could see for swapping back and forth would be if you mostly raced dh and rode park in the summer and if you lived somewhere where you could train and do more pedaling in the off season. Sea to sky kind of situation, were you ride Whistler park all summer, but then ride Squamish and North Van all winter. 

But I'm not sure anyone will be swapping back and forth on a regular basis. 

I do like the idea of having the option to mix "enduro" front and "DH" rear. For example a single crown DH Build or a dual...

I do like the idea of having the option to mix "enduro" front and "DH" rear. For example a single crown DH Build or a dual crown enduro build. Nothing revolutionary but people love to tinker around with their bikes, myself included. 

I think it's the people who like to tinker who will take advantage of bikes like the Orbea.. DH bike with a dropper and 12 speed to be able to pedal better..

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10/20/2025 6:09pm Edited Date/Time 10/20/2025 6:10pm

idk if this has been spotted elsewhere already and I missed it, but it looks like Kona has a new dh bike? From the new Caleb Holonko edit, thought it might just be a process 153 but the seattube here definitely isn't anything on their site. Looks sick with the og kona logoScreenshot 2025-10-20 210915

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10/20/2025 7:45pm Edited Date/Time 10/20/2025 7:46pm

Ohhh that logo.... shivers! Thats got to make a year of production. At least a limited edition.

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10/20/2025 7:53pm
thomas1965 wrote:
idk if this has been spotted elsewhere already and I missed it, but it looks like Kona has a new dh bike? From the new Caleb...

idk if this has been spotted elsewhere already and I missed it, but it looks like Kona has a new dh bike? From the new Caleb Holonko edit, thought it might just be a process 153 but the seattube here definitely isn't anything on their site. Looks sick with the og kona logoScreenshot 2025-10-20 210915

https://www.instagram.com/p/DFmO0TLRs4Z/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Pretty sure that just a circa 2021 alloy Operator that he custom painted with old school Kona logo.

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10/21/2025 6:31am
I've been wondering what the next big thing is going to be for the industry to try and hype us up on... Will dual purpose Enduro/...

I've been wondering what the next big thing is going to be for the industry to try and hype us up on... Will dual purpose Enduro/ DH bikes be it? Go from Enduro pedal friendly bike to DH plow machine by simply switching out most of the major components on your bike..

Just keep the dual crowns on tbf. The major thing about DH bikes isn't that they necessarily pedal bad, it's that they don't accommodate dropper posts...

Just keep the dual crowns on tbf. The major thing about DH bikes isn't that they necessarily pedal bad, it's that they don't accommodate dropper posts a lot of the time. Combine a regular dh bike with the ability to run a dropper and some ever so slightly more conservative geo, then you're on to a winner. People won't care that it weighs a ton when they're riding the bike equivalent of a shire horse.

Canfield One.2 has entered the chat.

 

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10/21/2025 9:23am
thomas1965 wrote:
idk if this has been spotted elsewhere already and I missed it, but it looks like Kona has a new dh bike? From the new Caleb...

idk if this has been spotted elsewhere already and I missed it, but it looks like Kona has a new dh bike? From the new Caleb Holonko edit, thought it might just be a process 153 but the seattube here definitely isn't anything on their site. Looks sick with the og kona logoScreenshot 2025-10-20 210915

The Entourage was one of the funnest bikes I ever owned. The "mini-DH" bikes of that era, like the TR250, were so rad. Probably too niche to make it back into bike brand lineups, however, especially in these times and with many in this demographic moving to ebikes.

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10/21/2025 9:36am
thomas1965 wrote:
idk if this has been spotted elsewhere already and I missed it, but it looks like Kona has a new dh bike? From the new Caleb...

idk if this has been spotted elsewhere already and I missed it, but it looks like Kona has a new dh bike? From the new Caleb Holonko edit, thought it might just be a process 153 but the seattube here definitely isn't anything on their site. Looks sick with the og kona logoScreenshot 2025-10-20 210915

1llumA wrote:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DFmO0TLRs4Z/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Pretty sure that just a circa 2021 alloy Operator that he custom painted with old school Kona logo.

For sure a 27.5 operator. It’s a shame they don’t sell that bike anymore. No frills aluminum crab. Basically the same concept as the bottle rocket everybody is hyped on.

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yahmon
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10/21/2025 11:15am
thomas1965 wrote:
idk if this has been spotted elsewhere already and I missed it, but it looks like Kona has a new dh bike? From the new Caleb...

idk if this has been spotted elsewhere already and I missed it, but it looks like Kona has a new dh bike? From the new Caleb Holonko edit, thought it might just be a process 153 but the seattube here definitely isn't anything on their site. Looks sick with the og kona logoScreenshot 2025-10-20 210915

1llumA wrote:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DFmO0TLRs4Z/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Pretty sure that just a circa 2021 alloy Operator that he custom painted with old school Kona logo.

nskerb wrote:
For sure a 27.5 operator. It’s a shame they don’t sell that bike anymore. No frills aluminum crab. Basically the same concept as the bottle rocket...

For sure a 27.5 operator. It’s a shame they don’t sell that bike anymore. No frills aluminum crab. Basically the same concept as the bottle rocket everybody is hyped on.

single pivot ≠ crab

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10/21/2025 11:50am
1llumA wrote:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DFmO0TLRs4Z/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Pretty sure that just a circa 2021 alloy Operator that he custom painted with old school Kona logo.

nskerb wrote:
For sure a 27.5 operator. It’s a shame they don’t sell that bike anymore. No frills aluminum crab. Basically the same concept as the bottle rocket...

For sure a 27.5 operator. It’s a shame they don’t sell that bike anymore. No frills aluminum crab. Basically the same concept as the bottle rocket everybody is hyped on.

yahmon wrote:

single pivot ≠ crab

Duh! I totally forgot Kona was single lol

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saskskier
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10/21/2025 12:58pm
metadave wrote:
Not sure if these guys have come up yet, but I just got to pop around on one. The DJI motor certainly blew my hair back...

Not sure if these guys have come up yet, but I just got to pop around on one. The DJI motor certainly blew my hair back a bit more than I expected, but the bike itself felt extremely dialed. 

https://www.velduro.com/products/velduro-rogue-r-emtb?srsltid=AfmBOooMB…

IMG 1488-scaled.jpg?VersionId=oV d4I.ktS2siEL.c6fv1Q5pEr

You sure that's not a Sight VLT?

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10/21/2025 1:06pm
metadave wrote:
Not sure if these guys have come up yet, but I just got to pop around on one. The DJI motor certainly blew my hair back...

Not sure if these guys have come up yet, but I just got to pop around on one. The DJI motor certainly blew my hair back a bit more than I expected, but the bike itself felt extremely dialed. 

https://www.velduro.com/products/velduro-rogue-r-emtb?srsltid=AfmBOooMB…

IMG 1488-scaled.jpg?VersionId=oV d4I.ktS2siEL.c6fv1Q5pEr
saskskier wrote:

You sure that's not a Sight VLT?

that's a Trek Slash+ 

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10/21/2025 3:02pm

allied bike that was posted about a few pages back. This was from ed masters most recent vid. 

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10/21/2025 3:11pm
metadave wrote:
Not sure if these guys have come up yet, but I just got to pop around on one. The DJI motor certainly blew my hair back...

Not sure if these guys have come up yet, but I just got to pop around on one. The DJI motor certainly blew my hair back a bit more than I expected, but the bike itself felt extremely dialed. 

https://www.velduro.com/products/velduro-rogue-r-emtb?srsltid=AfmBOooMB…

IMG 1488-scaled.jpg?VersionId=oV d4I.ktS2siEL.c6fv1Q5pEr

If I’m not mistaken there’s a forum for this.

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10/21/2025 3:59pm
nskerb wrote:
For sure a 27.5 operator. It’s a shame they don’t sell that bike anymore. No frills aluminum crab. Basically the same concept as the bottle rocket...

For sure a 27.5 operator. It’s a shame they don’t sell that bike anymore. No frills aluminum crab. Basically the same concept as the bottle rocket everybody is hyped on.

yahmon wrote:

single pivot ≠ crab

nskerb wrote:

Duh! I totally forgot Kona was single lol

image 481

Easily mistaken for the real thing. 

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10/21/2025 5:36pm
metadave wrote:
Not sure if these guys have come up yet, but I just got to pop around on one. The DJI motor certainly blew my hair back...

Not sure if these guys have come up yet, but I just got to pop around on one. The DJI motor certainly blew my hair back a bit more than I expected, but the bike itself felt extremely dialed. 

https://www.velduro.com/products/velduro-rogue-r-emtb?srsltid=AfmBOooMB…

IMG 1488-scaled.jpg?VersionId=oV d4I.ktS2siEL.c6fv1Q5pEr
saskskier wrote:

You sure that's not a Sight VLT?

It is pretty similar, both are I-Track. 

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10/21/2025 7:11pm
Eisma wrote:

It sure would be interesting to know which catalogue wheel this is, because the way the sticker radius doesn't match the rim screams "we bought these at 200$ and are selling them at 800$"

 

I know this thread isn't supposed to be about opinions but come on at least match the radii

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10/21/2025 7:22pm
Eisma wrote:
It sure would be interesting to know which catalogue wheel this is, because the way the sticker radius doesn't match the rim screams "we bought these...

It sure would be interesting to know which catalogue wheel this is, because the way the sticker radius doesn't match the rim screams "we bought these at 200$ and are selling them at 800$"

 

I know this thread isn't supposed to be about opinions but come on at least match the radii

Maybe the shed they're referring to is the bong shed?

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10/21/2025 11:12pm Edited Date/Time 10/22/2025 12:35am

Also odd that they don't show what the internal rim width is or even a basic cross section of the rim? They look wide, but what's the internal width which will affect your tires shape when inflated.
How wide is the shoulder the bead sits on? is it wide or something narrow that will burp easily?
They also look kinda shallow, I've never had much luck with shallow rims lasting, in my riding experience the shallow rims are the ones I kill the most easily. 
Can't say they are filling me with trust/confidence without basic info like that.

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10/22/2025 2:54am

More pics and info about Kayaba fork. Coil + air spring (like in old Marzocchi?) 20mm axle, weight 2900g, price ~1650$

https://mds.co.jp/news/2025/07/18/24687/

kyb1.jpg?VersionId=IJgB.JKWuDnn.pnz7rUokyb2kyb4kyb3.jpg?VersionId=Z.Jze2CQiux7SO2jm4fcTKQDfkiVUFkyb6.jpg?VersionId=EVYvC5yqslmGaOY3qCkwxHP6jY79AXkyb5
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10/22/2025 3:32am
kuzlich wrote:
More pics and info about Kayaba fork. Coil + air spring (like in old Marzocchi?) 20mm axle, weight 2900g, price ~1650$https://mds.co.jp/news/2025/07/18/24687/

More pics and info about Kayaba fork. Coil + air spring (like in old Marzocchi?) 20mm axle, weight 2900g, price ~1650$

https://mds.co.jp/news/2025/07/18/24687/

kyb1.jpg?VersionId=IJgB.JKWuDnn.pnz7rUokyb2kyb4kyb3.jpg?VersionId=Z.Jze2CQiux7SO2jm4fcTKQDfkiVUFkyb6.jpg?VersionId=EVYvC5yqslmGaOY3qCkwxHP6jY79AXkyb5

Does it come in black? 

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10/22/2025 5:58am
Eisma wrote:

Looks like a Ryde Edge series rim. Weird they put a photo with a mangled nipple front n center:

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I realize that's a bit obsessive, but as a wheel builder this matters.

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10/22/2025 6:00am

The crown on that KYB strikes me as excessively sculpted. Might just be the angles, but it looks reeaal light.

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10/22/2025 6:38am
ahleic09 wrote:
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Revel shared a sneak peak that matches that bike pretty well. Is that the new Revel?

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