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10/10/2025 5:33pm
I'd put Danny Hart as the biggest name to miss finals, only because he has missed more than he has made. I think we've really seen the...

I'd put Danny Hart as the biggest name to miss finals, only because he has missed more than he has made. 

I think we've really seen the pace rise this year and former winners have, over a whole season, been left wanting. 

Charlie Hatton, Danny, Finn (injury related), Matt Walker, Reece Wilson (injury related) all have been totally eclipsed by some new names at the top of the sheets

Really need to give huge kudos to Dak for the season he's having,  he's no spring chicken, coming back from huge injury and he's sending it.  I don't usually pull for a rider but I'm rooting for a big result from him, therefor I have deleted him from my fantasy team.  

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10/11/2025 1:33am
I'd put Danny Hart as the biggest name to miss finals, only because he has missed more than he has made. I think we've really seen the...

I'd put Danny Hart as the biggest name to miss finals, only because he has missed more than he has made. 

I think we've really seen the pace rise this year and former winners have, over a whole season, been left wanting. 

Charlie Hatton, Danny, Finn (injury related), Matt Walker, Reece Wilson (injury related) all have been totally eclipsed by some new names at the top of the sheets

Hasn't been a good year for Danny.
But I guess it's still been better than the year his team mate Erice has had!

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10/11/2025 5:04am
sspomer wrote:
here is the latest b practice pods in youtube or audio form (or it's on the homepage too)

here is the latest b practice pods in youtube or audio form (or it's on the homepage too)

“I’m obsessed with chasing backsides” was my personal highlight 

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10/11/2025 6:08am
bizutch wrote:
Who went to Lake Placid on here that also went to Snowshoe  prior to the 30 racer cutoff?Which had a bigger crowd? More spectators?  Resorts pay...

Who went to Lake Placid on here that also went to Snowshoe  prior to the 30 racer cutoff?

Which had a bigger crowd? More spectators?  

Resorts pay big money to fill lodging, sell goods & services for a week. They block off the entire week for us.
When the field was more open to race, to me more friends, family & spectators filled the venue. 
Anyone with personal experience on the 2 formats?  
 

Lake Placid seemed quiet halfway through with just one crowd down low.  I assume that would lead to lower attendance  b/c the local/regional rider interest is lost. That means less sales on the weekend overall?

Didn’t go to Placid, but we were at Snowshoe ‘22/‘23

B Practice, Dak was hinting that the crowds seemed down at Placid. For sure the 30 rider final is a TV thing, and does the person that bought a spectator pass no real favors. 

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10/11/2025 4:12pm

Last race, in placid in found these near the trash next to the mondraker tent.  Thought was relèvent because of how ronans run went today.  IMG 3743IMG 3742.jpeg?VersionId=hwfNJ7kmA0hMJ4NDXi

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10/11/2025 6:03pm Edited Date/Time 10/11/2025 9:05pm

Vali went through with it and raced in shorts. 

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10/11/2025 9:25pm Edited Date/Time 10/11/2025 9:26pm

MSA crowd today was packed. Felt more than last year. The one difference with less riders was that people headed down towards the finish line sooner than they had in the past. 

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10/11/2025 9:53pm

Vali went through with it and raced in shorts. 

She is great!

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10/12/2025 7:15am

Congrats to Jacko, Vali and all the Riders for a wonderful World Cup. I dont know if the powers that be ever read Vital - i do hope so, but in any case I'm gonna leave It out there: WBD and the UCI have to come up with some sort of symbol or sign for the Overall Winners to wear It on the sleeve, chest or elsdwhere

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10/12/2025 7:16am

A graphic of the World Cup trophy could work i guess

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10/12/2025 4:13pm
Congrats to Jacko, Vali and all the Riders for a wonderful World Cup. I dont know if the powers that be ever read Vital - i...

Congrats to Jacko, Vali and all the Riders for a wonderful World Cup. I dont know if the powers that be ever read Vital - i do hope so, but in any case I'm gonna leave It out there: WBD and the UCI have to come up with some sort of symbol or sign for the Overall Winners to wear It on the sleeve, chest or elsdwhere

#1 plate in gold font 

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10/12/2025 4:44pm
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K, checked all the race sheets...On the topic of the brutality of Q1/Q2 this year. There is a pretty insane stat. Valentina Roa Sanchez sat on...

K, checked all the race sheets...

On the topic of the brutality of Q1/Q2 this year. There is a pretty insane stat. Valentina Roa Sanchez sat on the bubble FOUR times this year. Second worst go of it was Zoe Fayolle, three times on the bubble.

MSA just now actually put some more riders on the list of twice on the season, these names include Bodhi Kuhn, Jacob Jewett, Stefano I, Matilda Melton, Jenna Hastings (brutal back to back), Frida Ronning (also B2B i think), and Finn Iles! Q1/Q2 has been SAVAGE to the elite Canadian Men...

Biggest upsets of the year I suppose were Ronan Dunne, though he made it through the next Qheat that race... And Myriam Nicole who didn't make it that race.

And so far I think biggest stand out rider will naturally go to Luke Meier-Smith. Don't think we're getting a better underdog storyline than that this DH season.

Not sure who the 'biggest name' missing a final would be... Myriam is kind of a shoe in, though she was returning from injury. I suppose, once again, Ronan Dunne comes to mind with that NIGHTMARE of a race in Loudenvielle. Bouncing back from that and grabbing a win this season was baller by him.

Ronan Dunne never disappoints.  That checkers / wreckers attitude is bonkers, but it makes for amazing spectating.

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10/13/2025 7:43am Edited Date/Time 10/13/2025 7:44am
LePigPen wrote:
K, checked all the race sheets...On the topic of the brutality of Q1/Q2 this year. There is a pretty insane stat. Valentina Roa Sanchez sat on...

K, checked all the race sheets...

On the topic of the brutality of Q1/Q2 this year. There is a pretty insane stat. Valentina Roa Sanchez sat on the bubble FOUR times this year. Second worst go of it was Zoe Fayolle, three times on the bubble.

MSA just now actually put some more riders on the list of twice on the season, these names include Bodhi Kuhn, Jacob Jewett, Stefano I, Matilda Melton, Jenna Hastings (brutal back to back), Frida Ronning (also B2B i think), and Finn Iles! Q1/Q2 has been SAVAGE to the elite Canadian Men...

Biggest upsets of the year I suppose were Ronan Dunne, though he made it through the next Qheat that race... And Myriam Nicole who didn't make it that race.

And so far I think biggest stand out rider will naturally go to Luke Meier-Smith. Don't think we're getting a better underdog storyline than that this DH season.

Not sure who the 'biggest name' missing a final would be... Myriam is kind of a shoe in, though she was returning from injury. I suppose, once again, Ronan Dunne comes to mind with that NIGHTMARE of a race in Loudenvielle. Bouncing back from that and grabbing a win this season was baller by him.

Don't think anyone who saw Meier Smith (even before he signed at Giant) didn't think he'd win a World Cup.
Hindsight being 20/20, there was an edit of him hitting a park in Australia few years back I immediately thought he would win World Cups.
There is something about his combo of power & reaction time that is unmistakable. Think he'd won sooner, but like so many others, he took a few monster injuries that "delayed" his 1st win. 

Also...let's shout out to our Vital member @Sugarbrad on his World Cup winning mechanic skills! Not often the forums have a WC winner posting other than Stik.

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10/13/2025 8:05am

Holy hell, what a season! So stoked for Jackson to deliver under immense pressure and for Marine to quietly continue kicking ass. Amazing to see Dak at the very pointy end of things and Americans taking 3 of the top 5 spots at MSA!!!

It's been the best season for Maxxis that I can remember during my decade and a half with the brand. We had 13 Elite wins out of a possible 20 available and 4 World Champs medals including a podium sweep of the Elite Men's category. Start adding in Junior results and those from enduro and it gets even sillier. 

Can't wait to share what we've been cooking up...

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10/13/2025 8:08am
lawn dart wrote:

Ronan Dunne never disappoints.  That checkers / wreckers attitude is bonkers, but it makes for amazing spectating.

I don't know what they need to do to keep air in his rear tyre, but if they could figure that out, he would have been way up in the rankings! And this is despite a major pre-season injury which I am pretty sure was downplayed considerably...

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10/13/2025 8:17am
Eoin wrote:
I don't know what they need to do to keep air in his rear tyre, but if they could figure that out, he would have been...

I don't know what they need to do to keep air in his rear tyre, but if they could figure that out, he would have been way up in the rankings! And this is despite a major pre-season injury which I am pretty sure was downplayed considerably...

Getting rid of e13 is always a solid choice in my experience

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10/13/2025 12:03pm Edited Date/Time 10/13/2025 12:04pm
Eoin wrote:
I don't know what they need to do to keep air in his rear tyre, but if they could figure that out, he would have been...

I don't know what they need to do to keep air in his rear tyre, but if they could figure that out, he would have been way up in the rankings! And this is despite a major pre-season injury which I am pretty sure was downplayed considerably...

yzedf wrote:

Getting rid of e13 is always a solid choice in my experience

It's sad reading nonsense like this. 
The same wheels won him a World Cup a few weeks ago.
Mondraker on the same wheels got 4th & 5th in this race.
Mondraker runs the same tires as all 3 of the men's overall podium.


 

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bizutch wrote:
It's sad reading nonsense like this. The same wheels won him a World Cup a few weeks ago.Mondraker on the same wheels got 4th & 5th in...

It's sad reading nonsense like this. 
The same wheels won him a World Cup a few weeks ago.
Mondraker on the same wheels got 4th & 5th in this race.
Mondraker runs the same tires as all 3 of the men's overall podium.


 

Look up 10 or so posts from here on this page. Could be that Ronan, Dak or whoever just F’d up or…. A team openly throwing stuff in the trash? That’s not a good look for anyone involved. 

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10/13/2025 12:43pm
bizutch wrote:
It's sad reading nonsense like this. The same wheels won him a World Cup a few weeks ago.Mondraker on the same wheels got 4th & 5th in...

It's sad reading nonsense like this. 
The same wheels won him a World Cup a few weeks ago.
Mondraker on the same wheels got 4th & 5th in this race.
Mondraker runs the same tires as all 3 of the men's overall podium.


 

yzedf wrote:
Look up 10 or so posts from here on this page. Could be that Ronan, Dak or whoever just F’d up or…. A team openly throwing...

Look up 10 or so posts from here on this page. Could be that Ronan, Dak or whoever just F’d up or…. A team openly throwing stuff in the trash? That’s not a good look for anyone involved. 

It was a cracked rim, not sure what do you want them to do with that

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10/13/2025 12:57pm

Shoutout to the dumpster diving tech detectives!


Considering his issues Ronan should consider inserts.  Easier to get used to riding with them than  avoiding flats in race runs.  

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10/13/2025 2:27pm
bizutch wrote:
It's sad reading nonsense like this. The same wheels won him a World Cup a few weeks ago.Mondraker on the same wheels got 4th & 5th in...

It's sad reading nonsense like this. 
The same wheels won him a World Cup a few weeks ago.
Mondraker on the same wheels got 4th & 5th in this race.
Mondraker runs the same tires as all 3 of the men's overall podium.


 

yzedf wrote:
Look up 10 or so posts from here on this page. Could be that Ronan, Dak or whoever just F’d up or…. A team openly throwing...

Look up 10 or so posts from here on this page. Could be that Ronan, Dak or whoever just F’d up or…. A team openly throwing stuff in the trash? That’s not a good look for anyone involved. 

Since you don't understand this, I'll explain.
World Cup teams annihilate wheels all week long. Most of the wheels can make it back to the pits. A new wheel goes on for the next run.
No one says a word & it gets rebuilt.
One team...1 rider this weekend....annihilated SIX wheels before Finals.
Their teammate nuked only ONE wheel a week after smashing multiple wheels.

That plays out w/ every team & you aren't privy to it. Pros don't melt over wheels.  
It's been that way since the beginning. 

Every pit, every rider is cracking or splitting wheels. 
They just don't run up the hill & get Jack or Lawlor to film it.
 

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10/13/2025 2:35pm
bizutch wrote:
It's sad reading nonsense like this. The same wheels won him a World Cup a few weeks ago.Mondraker on the same wheels got 4th & 5th in...

It's sad reading nonsense like this. 
The same wheels won him a World Cup a few weeks ago.
Mondraker on the same wheels got 4th & 5th in this race.
Mondraker runs the same tires as all 3 of the men's overall podium.


 

yzedf wrote:
Look up 10 or so posts from here on this page. Could be that Ronan, Dak or whoever just F’d up or…. A team openly throwing...

Look up 10 or so posts from here on this page. Could be that Ronan, Dak or whoever just F’d up or…. A team openly throwing stuff in the trash? That’s not a good look for anyone involved. 

bizutch wrote:
Since you don't understand this, I'll explain.World Cup teams annihilate wheels all week long. Most of the wheels can make it back to the pits. A...

Since you don't understand this, I'll explain.
World Cup teams annihilate wheels all week long. Most of the wheels can make it back to the pits. A new wheel goes on for the next run.
No one says a word & it gets rebuilt.
One team...1 rider this weekend....annihilated SIX wheels before Finals.
Their teammate nuked only ONE wheel a week after smashing multiple wheels.

That plays out w/ every team & you aren't privy to it. Pros don't melt over wheels.  
It's been that way since the beginning. 

Every pit, every rider is cracking or splitting wheels. 
They just don't run up the hill & get Jack or Lawlor to film it.
 

For once I have to agree wholeheartedly with Bizutch.  Wheels are disposable for a team at this level. At certain races as a mechanic I built 15 wheels in a weekend for racers. Sometimes they were 1 run wheels, sometimes they lasted two days. But not one person on my team at a WC raced on the same wheels they practiced on...especially at MSA. 

Wheels are disposable goods at a WC level. dead wheels at a race mean absolutely nothing.

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I also agree with both of you. I've seen first hand how many wheels you go through in a race weekend. 

Having said that, Ronan either needs stronger wheels (you will still put them in the bin after the run) or to tone down the Nathan Rennie vibes.

Both MSA and Loudenville were rider error though. MSA he was offline and was to the right of the slot and landed on a square edge. Loudenville he missed the gap and cased mega hard to wreck that one. 

What was his other race run wheels failure?

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I never said wheels aren’t disposable. I said e13 is junk and I said it’s not normal to throw your broken sponsored parts in the trash for any dude to find walking by. Usually it ends up in the race trailer and disposed of a little more discretely or sent back to the supplier if it’s a prototype or whatever. I’m wondering if Mondraker is not using them next season and nobody cares anymore. 

Given the current race structure, racers that break a lot of parts and don’t win races, are going to have a tough time getting their next contract. Just about anyone at the World Cup level can show up, break a bunch of wheels/frames and not qualify for half the races or less. Might as well sign the ones that don’t break much and still qualify for half the races or less, it’s cheaper for the teams/sponsors and less stressful for everyone involved. 

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10/13/2025 3:37pm
yzedf wrote:
I never said wheels aren’t disposable. I said e13 is junk and I said it’s not normal to throw your broken sponsored parts in the trash...

I never said wheels aren’t disposable. I said e13 is junk and I said it’s not normal to throw your broken sponsored parts in the trash for any dude to find walking by. Usually it ends up in the race trailer and disposed of a little more discretely or sent back to the supplier if it’s a prototype or whatever. I’m wondering if Mondraker is not using them next season and nobody cares anymore. 

Given the current race structure, racers that break a lot of parts and don’t win races, are going to have a tough time getting their next contract. Just about anyone at the World Cup level can show up, break a bunch of wheels/frames and not qualify for half the races or less. Might as well sign the ones that don’t break much and still qualify for half the races or less, it’s cheaper for the teams/sponsors and less stressful for everyone involved. 

i9 would be a great sponsor for Ronan.  And Cushcore.

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let's say ronan had "stronger" rims or ran cushcore. would they allow him to ride like he does or would they ping-pong-ball off of every rock resulting in considerably slower results or blown lines? would cushcore be heavier and slower resulting in a different riding style and slower time? racing, especially now, is a battle of compromises. sometimes they pay off, sometimes they don't. 

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10/13/2025 4:30pm

4 riders...I stopped counting at 13. LMS only did 5 all week, but I've got some secret sauce to keep air in the wombat's tires😉. Point being that it's the nature of the track.1000024665

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Sugarbrad wrote:
4 riders...I stopped counting at 13. LMS only did 5 all week, but I've got some secret sauce to keep air in the wombat's tires😉. Point...

4 riders...I stopped counting at 13. LMS only did 5 all week, but I've got some secret sauce to keep air in the wombat's tires😉. Point being that it's the nature of the track.1000024665

Curious if you can share how you decide to retire a rim, and how different that might be for the rider's home practice bike vs. their race bike. How bad does a rim (or wheel) have to get before it's replaced? There's a lot of talk about riders "breaking" wheels but I'm not sure if that means cracking/splitting rims, snapping spokes, denting/flat-spotting aluminum rims, or any of the above. I'm sure it varies from team to team but would appreciate your perspective. 

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Shoutout to the dumpster diving tech detectives!Considering his issues Ronan should consider inserts.  Easier to get used to riding with them than  avoiding flats in race...

Shoutout to the dumpster diving tech detectives!


Considering his issues Ronan should consider inserts.  Easier to get used to riding with them than  avoiding flats in race runs.  

Inserts can harm rims, I don’t really get how, but I’ve dented rims while the tire is unscathed.  

E13 carbon rims are especially bad, I have like 6 destroyed ones in my basement.  But they keep warranting them, so can’t be bothered to change.  Most the times when break them, I don’t even notice till I find the crack because I didn’t even feel the ring ding.  

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10/13/2025 6:52pm
Curious if you can share how you decide to retire a rim, and how different that might be for the rider's home practice bike vs. their...

Curious if you can share how you decide to retire a rim, and how different that might be for the rider's home practice bike vs. their race bike. How bad does a rim (or wheel) have to get before it's replaced? There's a lot of talk about riders "breaking" wheels but I'm not sure if that means cracking/splitting rims, snapping spokes, denting/flat-spotting aluminum rims, or any of the above. I'm sure it varies from team to team but would appreciate your perspective. 

Thanks for the question. Long story short if the rim is unsafe to ride, it's immediately retired and the hub is re-laced to a new rim. I also have to consider the massive loss of time if I send my rider up on a rim I'm not 100% confident in. Not only do we lose a practice run, but it takes me 40-50 min for one wheel build(including taping and insert/tire mounting). I could easily be halfway through a fresh wheel build in the time it takes my rider to do one practice run so if I have any doubt I rebuild. For training a ding is ok if all the spokes measure within deflection range of what my rider prefers. For home training departure I always send my rider with a brand new fresh wheelset. Qualy/Race wheels have to be 100% perfect, plus there is a much longer prep time to make them as indestructible and roll as fast as possible. My definition of a "broken" rim is either cracked, or deformed to the point where it's unsafe and/or not able to hold air. MSA eats wheels for sure, but the most epic failures I have personally seen were at Val Di Sole.

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