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Ha, that didn't even come into my thought process. It was more based on personal experience.🤣
The Bosch power tube could also be a 750wh, same as what Orbea run with.
I do not see how they jump from $13,000 to $20,000? Maxima's are $1500 a set. electringWings are $1000, Podium is $700 more than 38, the Hydra2 are no different in price than DT240 DEG. Sounds like they are charging full premium over the "base" S works Levo build. Kind of shady.
Lol, people buying a $20,000 S-works (the most expensive mainstream bicycle on the market) are not worried about 'shady' markup behavior. A $150k Mercedees isn't anywhere near 6x the cost to manufacture than a Ford Focus. A ton more margin in higher-end products. And people who are buying those products know it.
someone on the other site broke it down and you're right, there's about a $3k premium added on top of MSRP for everything part-out. wild
bowling ball visual flair ain't cheap
$3k for the paint?
The Amflow seems like an even better deal now...
You could probably get a vastly superior quality custom paint job from someone like Fat Creations for less, but that fact won't get anywhere near the thought process of the average buyer of this bike.
You didn’t assign a value to “limited edition” tag with custom paint, that value varies based on the individual. Obviously if we are running the math on parts, we are not the target demographic. Probably be the same peeps who have an AMEX Black card.
Did not realize Bosch didn't allow 3rd party batteries. I'm all here for that. The more standardizing in eebs the better. It was not fun having an aging battery on my 2020 Norco Sight and wondering if I'd even be able to get a replacement. Would it be from Shimano? from Norco? What if I wanted another one 5 years down the trail? The custom battery made the bike feel disposable which is not a good look for any bike especially ebikes.
There's a reason Norco put those things on for 45% off and had a ton when they did that.
Also the wiring harness/battery interface didn't work half the time. Really put a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths about the quality of Shimano EEB stuff, but in reality none of the Shimano stuff was the shit part. Bosch is on the right side of this one.
ever looked at the price of the paint options of project one? i recently sold a 11k chf madone slr with a 5k paint job
sethimus why would you do that. please just buy me a bike with that 5k paint budget next time and I'll spray paint your frame way cooler for free
*edit to add that I'll even throw in a clear coat on my own dime and free nail polish touch-ups for life
I would assume he works a bike shop and sold one brand new who can to buy one so why not sell it to them?
Go DM Fresh Paints of Whistler or ETOE or anyone else who is doing bespoke, high quality custom painting and you too will see that 3-5k is fairly market rate for top of the line work. Specialized is kinda semi production and way less cool, so it's less justified, but if someone at Seth's shop wanted to splash a ton of cash getting a true custom paint job, then it's not a surprising price. I probably have 150 hours into my Aurum and it's far from what some of these pro shops are putting out.
Are you thinking of the Gen 2 Sight or the Gen 3 which had the "pick your battery size" idea with removable batteries? Mine was a Gen 2, with the non-removable battery made by Simplo. (but still plenty of wire harness issues and even broken chainstays!) My dealer would always give me nebulous answers on getting a new battery. "It's Shimano handling the warranty, but maybe we can order it" ???
Back to the point at hand, what's going to happen to all those Decoys 5 years from now when they need new batteries? I'd love to buy a used Decoy or Bullit but I'd want to keep it for at least 5-7 years, which IMO is a reasonable amount of time to keep a bike when you have 2 others.
Yeah, it runs you up a lot of money unless you know a guy who knows a guy...
Custom painting ain't for the faint of heart!
I am speaking of the gen 2. By the time the Gen 3 was properly available I was outa there. I was also under the impression that the Gen 3 moved 100% to BOSCH. Gen 1 was shimano with aftermarket battery but not one that's easily removable (I take exception to the notion of a "nonremovable" battery. They are all removable, it's just a question of effort). Gen 2 was the "pick your battery size" shimano and somewhat removable. .
I don't know about the US, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that in Canada, it was not Shimano handling the warranties on batteries and wiring harnesses.
Edit: I think Norco's own documentation is a bit fucked because some describe the Gen 3 as shimano equipped and it just wasn't. Gen 3 is the very short lived horizontal shock and idler layout. Gen 4 is the vertical shock, idler equipped the new-new one, gen 2 is the no idler horizontal shock one with shimano swappable batteries, and gen 1 is the no idler vertical shock bike.
I could buy one, but I won't. Frankly, I still can't get on with the "bloated" look of most e-bikes. Not to mention the heft. Having to get a ramp to roll it on to my bike rack, or pray that the electrics work when you want it to is not my cup of tea. Electronic shifting is about as far as I will go for now. Unless i'm hit with a huge health issue and down for years and want to get back into the sport, then I will consider an e-bike.
? i sold it because that is my job!?
First they missed out with the bike itself being heavy & fat with no LT version and no real innovation.
Than they one up themselves with a "look how expensive we are" build that goes against all customer resent to high prices and general crap financial situation the industry is going through.
Nice one Spec !
I would love to know which impact Rob Roskop had since joining Spesh regarding these matters, from my pov it's not that positive. I dare to say it got even worse.
I hate to be that guy, but I've bought 2 cars this year (kids are expensive) for the cost of the Sworks.
As much as us normal folks will call this bike crazy, I bet they pre-sell at least half of them. Some people have the means to buy these... Wish I was one of those people.. But, being a bike nerd, if I could buy it, doesn't mean I would...
I am going to make a wild projection and guess that unlike the future owners of the Sworks, you can actually ride bikes.
tagline should be "coming to a paved multiuse path near you"
I'm definitely at the upper end of average at bikes
world champs pit bits vid
This might be controversial and I'm not sure how to write this without sounding like I'm stroking off Sram but man they’ve really stepped up for their athletes. The custom brakes and calipers are such a nice touch and make the World Champs bikes feel that much more special. On the flip side, Shimano seems to be sticking with pretty standard (tried and true) Saint groupsets, and some riders are still running the now previous gen XT, XTR, or still current Saint brakes. From an outsiders perspective, it really feels like Sram is the brand you’d want supporting you.
Also, anyone else notice the inconsistent crank arms on Asa's bike? In some shots they have the normal cranks on the bike but in this view they're different. New or just custom for world champs?
Cool that sram are making a big effort for their athletes but personally I think all the 50/50 colour schemes look terrible. Wasn’t working for Pivot last year, isn’t working for the syndicate or norco this year.
Frameworks knocked it out the park with the American chopper video 😂