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6/24/2025 9:05am
thegromit wrote:

MSRP 2k

And the new Shimano mtb shoes are $200. $2,000 for a fork seems… reasonable? God I hate how that feels to say. 

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6/24/2025 11:48am

I wonder if we’ll see an update to the Fox 38 that we’ve seen roll out with other Fox products like an update air shaft assembly. 

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dwhere
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6/24/2025 12:01pm
jalopyj wrote:

I wonder if we’ll see an update to the Fox 38 that we’ve seen roll out with other Fox products like an update air shaft assembly. 

I don't know if that glide-core(?) technology in the new air spring is as necessary in the 38 because the air spring is contained in its own sleeve not the sanction. I believe the sleeve was actually fox's original solution to the binding problem the new air spring looks to solve. It obviously just weighs a bit more. 

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6/24/2025 12:09pm
dwhere wrote:
I don't know if that glide-core(?) technology in the new air spring is as necessary in the 38 because the air spring is contained in its...

I don't know if that glide-core(?) technology in the new air spring is as necessary in the 38 because the air spring is contained in its own sleeve not the sanction. I believe the sleeve was actually fox's original solution to the binding problem the new air spring looks to solve. It obviously just weighs a bit more. 

I'd assume they'd do away with the sleeve and just go with the larger chamber combined with the glidecore.

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6/24/2025 12:23pm Edited Date/Time 6/24/2025 12:24pm
dwhere wrote:
I don't know if that glide-core(?) technology in the new air spring is as necessary in the 38 because the air spring is contained in its...

I don't know if that glide-core(?) technology in the new air spring is as necessary in the 38 because the air spring is contained in its own sleeve not the sanction. I believe the sleeve was actually fox's original solution to the binding problem the new air spring looks to solve. It obviously just weighs a bit more. 

I'd assume they'd do away with the sleeve and just go with the larger chamber combined with the glidecore.

That's where I was thinking it would go as well. But that will require a larger overall change as the equalizing dimples are contained within the sleeve not the stanchion like the 36. So full overhaul with a refined chassis too? Now is even more compilated by where fox sees the 38 going in their product line with the release of podium. 

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6/24/2025 1:07pm
dwhere wrote:
I don't know if that glide-core(?) technology in the new air spring is as necessary in the 38 because the air spring is contained in its...

I don't know if that glide-core(?) technology in the new air spring is as necessary in the 38 because the air spring is contained in its own sleeve not the sanction. I believe the sleeve was actually fox's original solution to the binding problem the new air spring looks to solve. It obviously just weighs a bit more. 

I'd assume they'd do away with the sleeve and just go with the larger chamber combined with the glidecore.

I don't think the inner tube will go on the 38 as it's a fundamental part in reducing the ramp up from the trapped lower leg air volume.

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6/24/2025 1:14pm
dwhere wrote:
I don't know if that glide-core(?) technology in the new air spring is as necessary in the 38 because the air spring is contained in its...

I don't know if that glide-core(?) technology in the new air spring is as necessary in the 38 because the air spring is contained in its own sleeve not the sanction. I believe the sleeve was actually fox's original solution to the binding problem the new air spring looks to solve. It obviously just weighs a bit more. 

I'd assume they'd do away with the sleeve and just go with the larger chamber combined with the glidecore.

I don't think the inner tube will go on the 38 as it's a fundamental part in reducing the ramp up from the trapped lower leg...

I don't think the inner tube will go on the 38 as it's a fundamental part in reducing the ramp up from the trapped lower leg air volume.

This.  Without the inner tube on the 38, you get a lot of inherent progression from the lower, like on the Zeb.  Then people like me add on a Noken to counter it.  Looks like at least 1 WC rider was running something similar on their Boxxer last race too.

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6/24/2025 1:14pm Edited Date/Time 6/24/2025 1:14pm

Fox is going to replace the separate internal air spring of the 38 and put a regular starter tube instead of the oval internal one it has now to save weight. New FOX 38SL launching 2026. 

(This is basically the current Marzocchi Super Z + a grip X2 damper)

6/24/2025 1:45pm
Fox is going to replace the separate internal air spring of the 38 and put a regular starter tube instead of the oval internal one it...

Fox is going to replace the separate internal air spring of the 38 and put a regular starter tube instead of the oval internal one it has now to save weight. New FOX 38SL launching 2026. 

(This is basically the current Marzocchi Super Z + a grip X2 damper)

New 38's all have regular round steerer tubes, the oval one was phased out over a year ago.

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6/24/2025 1:47pm Edited Date/Time 6/25/2025 6:56am
Fox is going to replace the separate internal air spring of the 38 and put a regular starter tube instead of the oval internal one it...

Fox is going to replace the separate internal air spring of the 38 and put a regular starter tube instead of the oval internal one it has now to save weight. New FOX 38SL launching 2026. 

(This is basically the current Marzocchi Super Z + a grip X2 damper)

New 38's all have regular round steerer tubes, the oval one was phased out over a year ago.

Well that shows how much I've paid attention. 

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6/24/2025 2:31pm
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Needs Radial Tyres instead of maxxis for maximum hype and aura imo. 

And red brembos 

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Kusa wrote:

While not a bike related, would be curious if this could eventually make its way into cycling https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a65173776/bmw-m-cars-carbon-fiber-alt…

We have been bracing for a carbon fiber ban for 10 years or so and I am confident that the big players have contingency plans in place, but I for one would be psyched on a flax bike!

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6/24/2025 5:31pm Edited Date/Time 6/24/2025 5:32pm
Kusa wrote:

While not a bike related, would be curious if this could eventually make its way into cycling https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a65173776/bmw-m-cars-carbon-fiber-alt…

We have been bracing for a carbon fiber ban for 10 years or so and I am confident that the big players have contingency plans in...

We have been bracing for a carbon fiber ban for 10 years or so and I am confident that the big players have contingency plans in place, but I for one would be psyched on a flax bike!

Time to start the Flax-pivot thread

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6/24/2025 5:37pm
Fox is going to replace the separate internal air spring of the 38 and put a regular starter tube instead of the oval internal one it...

Fox is going to replace the separate internal air spring of the 38 and put a regular starter tube instead of the oval internal one it has now to save weight. New FOX 38SL launching 2026. 

(This is basically the current Marzocchi Super Z + a grip X2 damper)

The 38 sl is a 36 lol.
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6/24/2025 8:03pm

Looks to be a new tire from Schwable? Looks like a HR3/Hillbilly/Argotal pattern. Maybe an updated Dirty Dan that’s been cut? I imagine it’s radial casing as well. 

 IMG 9489.jpeg?VersionId=4VUXeuT2771gb8lwxkK

 

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6/24/2025 8:34pm
Kusa wrote:

While not a bike related, would be curious if this could eventually make its way into cycling https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a65173776/bmw-m-cars-carbon-fiber-alt…

We have been bracing for a carbon fiber ban for 10 years or so and I am confident that the big players have contingency plans in...

We have been bracing for a carbon fiber ban for 10 years or so and I am confident that the big players have contingency plans in place, but I for one would be psyched on a flax bike!

metadave wrote:

Time to start the Flax-pivot thread

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6/24/2025 8:58pm
Kapolczer wrote:
Looks to be a new tire from Schwable? Looks like a HR3/Hillbilly/Argotal pattern. Maybe an updated Dirty Dan that’s been cut? I imagine it’s radial casing...

Looks to be a new tire from Schwable? Looks like a HR3/Hillbilly/Argotal pattern. Maybe an updated Dirty Dan that’s been cut? I imagine it’s radial casing as well. 

 IMG 9489.jpeg?VersionId=4VUXeuT2771gb8lwxkK

 

Yes, new tire. Was discussed a few weeks back when it broke cover on PB. Was used by a number of Schwalbe athletes in Val Di Sole. 

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6/24/2025 9:47pm
Kusa wrote:

While not a bike related, would be curious if this could eventually make its way into cycling https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a65173776/bmw-m-cars-carbon-fiber-alt…

We have been bracing for a carbon fiber ban for 10 years or so and I am confident that the big players have contingency plans in...

We have been bracing for a carbon fiber ban for 10 years or so and I am confident that the big players have contingency plans in place, but I for one would be psyched on a flax bike!

metadave wrote:

Time to start the Flax-pivot thread

dude i snorted. lol. great work!

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6/25/2025 12:49am
Kapolczer wrote:
Looks to be a new tire from Schwable? Looks like a HR3/Hillbilly/Argotal pattern. Maybe an updated Dirty Dan that’s been cut? I imagine it’s radial casing...

Looks to be a new tire from Schwable? Looks like a HR3/Hillbilly/Argotal pattern. Maybe an updated Dirty Dan that’s been cut? I imagine it’s radial casing as well. 

 IMG 9489.jpeg?VersionId=4VUXeuT2771gb8lwxkK

 

Schwalbe Dusty Dan?

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6/25/2025 1:40am
Kapolczer wrote:
Looks to be a new tire from Schwable? Looks like a HR3/Hillbilly/Argotal pattern. Maybe an updated Dirty Dan that’s been cut? I imagine it’s radial casing...

Looks to be a new tire from Schwable? Looks like a HR3/Hillbilly/Argotal pattern. Maybe an updated Dirty Dan that’s been cut? I imagine it’s radial casing as well. 

 IMG 9489.jpeg?VersionId=4VUXeuT2771gb8lwxkK

 

Schwalbe rep at the booth in leogang said new tire in radial casing is gonna be released soon. 

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6/25/2025 1:55am
Kapolczer wrote:
Looks to be a new tire from Schwable? Looks like a HR3/Hillbilly/Argotal pattern. Maybe an updated Dirty Dan that’s been cut? I imagine it’s radial casing...

Looks to be a new tire from Schwable? Looks like a HR3/Hillbilly/Argotal pattern. Maybe an updated Dirty Dan that’s been cut? I imagine it’s radial casing as well. 

 IMG 9489.jpeg?VersionId=4VUXeuT2771gb8lwxkK

 

29 wrote:

Schwalbe rep at the booth in leogang said new tire in radial casing is gonna be released soon. 

any word on the radial tacky?

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6/25/2025 2:16am
Simcik wrote:
After 20+ years, will we see a Minion DHF 2? 

After 20+ years, will we see a Minion DHF 2? 


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6/25/2025 2:25am

Flax might be fine for the cosmetical fibrous stuff (like non-functioning diffusers on 'sporty' road cars) but can't really be used for structural stuff, at least not alone.

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6/25/2025 4:35am
Evil96 wrote:

New pad, both GR and TR 4 will use the same but it’s a new shape

It's the end of an era 😢 the v4 pad shape has been around for a long long time

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