Still can’t make sense of all the dh/bike the Athertons came out with. There’s, what was it, the A200 with the carbon tubes, and now the S200 with the Alu tubes, and then there’s the high-pivot gearbox proto, which in my view would be the top dog that goes fastest. Then what do you do with the other 2? Keep them as the better pedaller downhill sleds? But then what to do with the 170 bikes which are even better pedallers?
Still can’t make sense of all the dh/bike the Athertons came out with. There’s, what was it, the A200 with the carbon tubes, and now the...
Still can’t make sense of all the dh/bike the Athertons came out with. There’s, what was it, the A200 with the carbon tubes, and now the S200 with the Alu tubes, and then there’s the high-pivot gearbox proto, which in my view would be the top dog that goes fastest. Then what do you do with the other 2? Keep them as the better pedaller downhill sleds? But then what to do with the 170 bikes which are even better pedallers?
I would imagine the S200 will be marketed as a park/DH bike while the carbon will be the full on race bike. The gear box bike, if it sees production, would probably be offered as a second option or completely replace the carbon bike currently. Their manufacturing method sounds pretty lean which lets them be flexible. They don’t have molds for carbon frames that they are hoping to get X number of frames out of.
I would imagine the S200 will be marketed as a park/DH bike while the carbon will be the full on race bike. The gear box bike...
I would imagine the S200 will be marketed as a park/DH bike while the carbon will be the full on race bike. The gear box bike, if it sees production, would probably be offered as a second option or completely replace the carbon bike currently. Their manufacturing method sounds pretty lean which lets them be flexible. They don’t have molds for carbon frames that they are hoping to get X number of frames out of.
That's the beauty of modular concepts. I really like everything that Atherton bikes has done since inception. Really cool stuff, hope they get the 100K!
I've got a customer who ordered an A-series bike that I'll hopefully be helping build soon. One thing I didn't know was the customer is contacted and brought along through the whole build of every frame. He gets check in's from Atherton bikes every step of the way.
To me, it seems to be taking a bit longer than I expected but it sounds like they're quiet busy. Interesting to see the customer side of what they're doing and it's pretty impressive to what I've seen from other custom builders.
Atherton S.200 aluminum DH bike now for sale - https://www.athertonbikes.com/bike/s200-downhill.html- 3 builds £6,299, £5,650 and £4,165 (according to their website on this particular day)- 12 standard...
I'm not sure if it ever got mentioned, but during Hardline Tasi Gee's bike was making a hell of racket everytime it was caught on film...
I'm not sure if it ever got mentioned, but during Hardline Tasi Gee's bike was making a hell of racket everytime it was caught on film, whilst Charlie's belt drive was silent.
The final touches on the Atherton bikes are not great.
The cable porting is average at best these days, and the chain slap protection is just a thin piece of mastic tape that barely covers the chain stay area.
They're always going to be noisy until you invest some money and time to mitigate it.
Enough with the chainstay and transmission discussion - We have something else to scold Sram for.Some really clear pics from ESMTB of the electric dropper we...
Enough with the chainstay and transmission discussion - We have something else to scold Sram for.
Some really clear pics from ESMTB of the electric dropper we discussed about a few pages back. I see why they did it, but it still looks terrible. But having the battery be a part of the collar, probably greatly decreases the stack height of the whole dropper, which is positive at least.
I can totally envision OneUp's April 1st advert for their new wireless dropper.
'Tired of losing all of that stack height with the other guys' wireless droppers? We at OneUp have the ideal solution... commercial pans to a rider inserting a battery in his anus and looking very uncomfortable, then giving a thumbs up. Then they show a wire going down to the dropper from his riding pants. We have packaged the battery in a simple and environmentally green manner that improves stack height, and also prevents theft!
And for the ladies you can now bring a spare battery, 2 batteries! (shows woman frowning nervously...)'
The point is just to underscore how stupid these wireless droppers are, and the lengths people will go through when the lightest, shortest stack, great priced product is already in the catalog.
I've got a customer who ordered an A-series bike that I'll hopefully be helping build soon. One thing I didn't know was the customer is contacted...
I've got a customer who ordered an A-series bike that I'll hopefully be helping build soon. One thing I didn't know was the customer is contacted and brought along through the whole build of every frame. He gets check in's from Atherton bikes every step of the way.
To me, it seems to be taking a bit longer than I expected but it sounds like they're quiet busy. Interesting to see the customer side of what they're doing and it's pretty impressive to what I've seen from other custom builders.
when it takes so long to get the bike. What is going on when something breakes. How long is the wait then? I mean if i am located in Germany, i will have to send the whole bike to them or are they replacing individual parts with proof by foto.
Also The whole Back is one CNC at the s200. When it gets bend, you throw away all the stuff? I mean aluminium can be recycled but not very enviroment freindly.
I've got a customer who ordered an A-series bike that I'll hopefully be helping build soon. One thing I didn't know was the customer is contacted...
I've got a customer who ordered an A-series bike that I'll hopefully be helping build soon. One thing I didn't know was the customer is contacted and brought along through the whole build of every frame. He gets check in's from Atherton bikes every step of the way.
To me, it seems to be taking a bit longer than I expected but it sounds like they're quiet busy. Interesting to see the customer side of what they're doing and it's pretty impressive to what I've seen from other custom builders.
when it takes so long to get the bike. What is going on when something breakes. How long is the wait then? I mean if i...
when it takes so long to get the bike. What is going on when something breakes. How long is the wait then? I mean if i am located in Germany, i will have to send the whole bike to them or are they replacing individual parts with proof by foto.
Also The whole Back is one CNC at the s200. When it gets bend, you throw away all the stuff? I mean aluminium can be recycled but not very enviroment freindly.
The rear triangle is actually 2 triangles then connected with a bridge its not 1.
But you argument is bizarre, what happens when you bend/crack any VPP style rear triangle? Its not unique to Atherton.
Also talking to some of the Dyfi guys, good luck breaking these bikes. The one thing I will say is their as indestructible as they come. Some of the trail crew got given the prototypes and they just said go destroy them, not a single one (to my knowledge) has failed.
I've got a customer who ordered an A-series bike that I'll hopefully be helping build soon. One thing I didn't know was the customer is contacted...
I've got a customer who ordered an A-series bike that I'll hopefully be helping build soon. One thing I didn't know was the customer is contacted and brought along through the whole build of every frame. He gets check in's from Atherton bikes every step of the way.
To me, it seems to be taking a bit longer than I expected but it sounds like they're quiet busy. Interesting to see the customer side of what they're doing and it's pretty impressive to what I've seen from other custom builders.
when it takes so long to get the bike. What is going on when something breakes. How long is the wait then? I mean if i...
when it takes so long to get the bike. What is going on when something breakes. How long is the wait then? I mean if i am located in Germany, i will have to send the whole bike to them or are they replacing individual parts with proof by foto.
Also The whole Back is one CNC at the s200. When it gets bend, you throw away all the stuff? I mean aluminium can be recycled but not very enviroment freindly.
The rear triangle is actually 2 triangles then connected with a bridge its not 1.But you argument is bizarre, what happens when you bend/crack any VPP...
The rear triangle is actually 2 triangles then connected with a bridge its not 1.
But you argument is bizarre, what happens when you bend/crack any VPP style rear triangle? Its not unique to Atherton.
Also talking to some of the Dyfi guys, good luck breaking these bikes. The one thing I will say is their as indestructible as they come. Some of the trail crew got given the prototypes and they just said go destroy them, not a single one (to my knowledge) has failed.
Exactly this. I expect due to the way they manufacture frames that spares will be available indefinitely and their customer service will be better than the big brands. They should be able to offer a better experience if anything goes wrong and the frames are well engineered and very durable.
norco's dh bike has a similar structure too (i know there's a better photo out there, but this was all i could find...look closely, you'll see it...seatstay sidecuts and chainstay bottom cuts)
That's an interesting cross section. What say @Ryan Burney
That bike is rad.
Teeny L-beam seatstays and pocketed (but larger) chainstays. Looks practical to machine and keeps the chainstay stiffer than the seatstay for more roll and less wag. Good pedal stiffness but also good compliance. It will always be heavier than a tube for the same stiffness but (turns out) it's hard to machine a tube so this is a great solution and will be stiff enough for its weight. and it's cooler than a tube. It's neat that they can machine all these parts and still make money per bike... that's a lot of machine time.
Funny enough I'm currently working on an FEA for my buddy Robs bike that has similar chainstays. I'll be able to share that data soon and should be some fun learning.
norco's dh bike has a similar structure too (i know there's a better photo out there, but this was all i could find...look closely, you'll see...
norco's dh bike has a similar structure too (i know there's a better photo out there, but this was all i could find...look closely, you'll see it...seatstay sidecuts and chainstay bottom cuts)
Atherton S.200 aluminum DH bike now for sale - https://www.athertonbikes.com/bike/s200-downhill.html- 3 builds £6,299, £5,650 and £4,165 (according to their website on this particular day)- 12 standard...
I'm not sure if it ever got mentioned, but during Hardline Tasi Gee's bike was making a hell of racket everytime it was caught on film...
I'm not sure if it ever got mentioned, but during Hardline Tasi Gee's bike was making a hell of racket everytime it was caught on film, whilst Charlie's belt drive was silent.
The final touches on the Atherton bikes are not great. The cable porting is average at best these days, and the chain slap protection is just a...
The final touches on the Atherton bikes are not great.
The cable porting is average at best these days, and the chain slap protection is just a thin piece of mastic tape that barely covers the chain stay area.
They're always going to be noisy until you invest some money and time to mitigate it.
I’ve heard some of the older frames weren’t perfect, but mine is #465(A200) and I was blown away with how spot on the fitments and tolerances are.
On the S200 I don’t believe the rear is 1 piece like mentioned above. I think they ment each side is once piece CNC machined. Looks like the half’s are bolted together.
Still can’t make sense of all the dh/bike the Athertons came out with. There’s, what was it, the A200 with the carbon tubes, and now the...
Still can’t make sense of all the dh/bike the Athertons came out with. There’s, what was it, the A200 with the carbon tubes, and now the S200 with the Alu tubes, and then there’s the high-pivot gearbox proto, which in my view would be the top dog that goes fastest. Then what do you do with the other 2? Keep them as the better pedaller downhill sleds? But then what to do with the 170 bikes which are even better pedallers?
thats the benefit of at least the additive A series bikes.
they effectively make the bikes to order, no real hardship having 3 models - regular, HP, gearbox HP (once they have been designed and tested); making the lugs and gluing the tubes in is the same for each design.
its not like a conventional brand's approach where a new bike means being stuck with half a warehouse of the old ones
I've got a customer who ordered an A-series bike that I'll hopefully be helping build soon. One thing I didn't know was the customer is contacted...
I've got a customer who ordered an A-series bike that I'll hopefully be helping build soon. One thing I didn't know was the customer is contacted and brought along through the whole build of every frame. He gets check in's from Atherton bikes every step of the way.
To me, it seems to be taking a bit longer than I expected but it sounds like they're quiet busy. Interesting to see the customer side of what they're doing and it's pretty impressive to what I've seen from other custom builders.
when it takes so long to get the bike. What is going on when something breakes. How long is the wait then? I mean if i...
when it takes so long to get the bike. What is going on when something breakes. How long is the wait then? I mean if i am located in Germany, i will have to send the whole bike to them or are they replacing individual parts with proof by foto.
Also The whole Back is one CNC at the s200. When it gets bend, you throw away all the stuff? I mean aluminium can be recycled but not very enviroment freindly.
If you bend any part of the frame, are you sure nothing else got bent? Overstressed? How sure you are you can only replace one part and don't need to replace the whole frame?
I’ve heard there are two chains from a reputable source. But a gearbox makes sense too. Time will tell
Interesting. A gearbox makes more sense in terms of justifying a total redesign of the bike. Because there's a lot more that's different in the bb/linkage/shock area. The lower shock bolt alone is at least 3-4" higher. If there is a gearbox under there, that doesn't leave a lot of space for the old 6-bar design so there would probably have to be a new layout, as well. Cool stuff either way.
Still can’t make sense of all the dh/bike the Athertons came out with. There’s, what was it, the A200 with the carbon tubes, and now the S200 with the Alu tubes, and then there’s the high-pivot gearbox proto, which in my view would be the top dog that goes fastest. Then what do you do with the other 2? Keep them as the better pedaller downhill sleds? But then what to do with the 170 bikes which are even better pedallers?
I would imagine the S200 will be marketed as a park/DH bike while the carbon will be the full on race bike. The gear box bike, if it sees production, would probably be offered as a second option or completely replace the carbon bike currently. Their manufacturing method sounds pretty lean which lets them be flexible. They don’t have molds for carbon frames that they are hoping to get X number of frames out of.
That's the beauty of modular concepts. I really like everything that Atherton bikes has done since inception. Really cool stuff, hope they get the 100K!
I've got a customer who ordered an A-series bike that I'll hopefully be helping build soon. One thing I didn't know was the customer is contacted and brought along through the whole build of every frame. He gets check in's from Atherton bikes every step of the way.
To me, it seems to be taking a bit longer than I expected but it sounds like they're quiet busy. Interesting to see the customer side of what they're doing and it's pretty impressive to what I've seen from other custom builders.
The final touches on the Atherton bikes are not great.
The cable porting is average at best these days, and the chain slap protection is just a thin piece of mastic tape that barely covers the chain stay area.
They're always going to be noisy until you invest some money and time to mitigate it.
I can totally envision OneUp's April 1st advert for their new wireless dropper.
'Tired of losing all of that stack height with the other guys' wireless droppers? We at OneUp have the ideal solution... commercial pans to a rider inserting a battery in his anus and looking very uncomfortable, then giving a thumbs up. Then they show a wire going down to the dropper from his riding pants. We have packaged the battery in a simple and environmentally green manner that improves stack height, and also prevents theft!
And for the ladies you can now bring a spare battery, 2 batteries! (shows woman frowning nervously...)'
The point is just to underscore how stupid these wireless droppers are, and the lengths people will go through when the lightest, shortest stack, great priced product is already in the catalog.
when it takes so long to get the bike. What is going on when something breakes. How long is the wait then? I mean if i am located in Germany, i will have to send the whole bike to them or are they replacing individual parts with proof by foto.
Also The whole Back is one CNC at the s200. When it gets bend, you throw away all the stuff? I mean aluminium can be recycled but not very enviroment freindly.
The rear triangle is actually 2 triangles then connected with a bridge its not 1.
But you argument is bizarre, what happens when you bend/crack any VPP style rear triangle? Its not unique to Atherton.
Also talking to some of the Dyfi guys, good luck breaking these bikes. The one thing I will say is their as indestructible as they come. Some of the trail crew got given the prototypes and they just said go destroy them, not a single one (to my knowledge) has failed.
Exactly this. I expect due to the way they manufacture frames that spares will be available indefinitely and their customer service will be better than the big brands. They should be able to offer a better experience if anything goes wrong and the frames are well engineered and very durable.
re: one-piece rear end, this is from their PR, so i listed it as a highlight. i don't doubt that it's comprised of 2 pieces bolted together, however.
Yeah not sure they got that right in the text.
Clearly looks like its two separate halfs joined by the linkage and a "tube" kind of
That's an interesting cross section. What say @Ryan Burney
norco's dh bike has a similar structure too (i know there's a better photo out there, but this was all i could find...look closely, you'll see it...seatstay sidecuts and chainstay bottom cuts)
That bike is rad.
Teeny L-beam seatstays and pocketed (but larger) chainstays. Looks practical to machine and keeps the chainstay stiffer than the seatstay for more roll and less wag. Good pedal stiffness but also good compliance. It will always be heavier than a tube for the same stiffness but (turns out) it's hard to machine a tube so this is a great solution and will be stiff enough for its weight. and it's cooler than a tube. It's neat that they can machine all these parts and still make money per bike... that's a lot of machine time.
Funny enough I'm currently working on an FEA for my buddy Robs bike that has similar chainstays. I'll be able to share that data soon and should be some fun learning.
Kirk McDowall bike check at pb last year
I imagine those stays are mud magnets though...
I’ve heard some of the older frames weren’t perfect, but mine is #465(A200) and I was blown away with how spot on the fitments and tolerances are.
On the S200 I don’t believe the rear is 1 piece like mentioned above. I think they ment each side is once piece CNC machined. Looks like the half’s are bolted together.
thats the benefit of at least the additive A series bikes.
they effectively make the bikes to order, no real hardship having 3 models - regular, HP, gearbox HP (once they have been designed and tested); making the lugs and gluing the tubes in is the same for each design.
its not like a conventional brand's approach where a new bike means being stuck with half a warehouse of the old ones
If you bend any part of the frame, are you sure nothing else got bent? Overstressed? How sure you are you can only replace one part and don't need to replace the whole frame?
The man makes sense:
I’ve heard there are two chains from a reputable source. But a gearbox makes sense too. Time will tell
A gearbox AND a derailleur. Bit of mis directions or MOAR GEARS!!!!!!
Interesting. A gearbox makes more sense in terms of justifying a total redesign of the bike. Because there's a lot more that's different in the bb/linkage/shock area. The lower shock bolt alone is at least 3-4" higher. If there is a gearbox under there, that doesn't leave a lot of space for the old 6-bar design so there would probably have to be a new layout, as well. Cool stuff either way.
Another Aston find from a couple of weeks ago:
Let’s see if this gets deleted as well
Speedholes
Isn't this the Horst pivot bike we have seen under Reece since the announcement?
spotted on amaury pierron’s ig story,
strange knob on the air stanchion of Amaury's fork, could be a spring damper Boxxer?
What are we looking at? New Levo?
Definitely not the fork. Nothing to see there.