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Primoz
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Getting into the game? What layout did they use before then?

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2025 Rail is up on Trek EU websites with all builds & prices, but the bike is still not released or shown anywhere else (no US/CAN...

2025 Rail is up on Trek EU websites with all builds & prices, but the bike is still not released or shown anywhere else (no US/CAN prices/builds or review out).

https://www.trekbikes.com/gb/en_GB/rail-plus-high-powered-emtb/

Wowzers, 490/495 mm reach in a large and 450/455 for a medium, maybe some people will love that but that feels like to large of a...

Wowzers, 490/495 mm reach in a large and 450/455 for a medium, maybe some people will love that but that feels like to large of a jump between sizes,.

This has to be a typo right? Aren't most people on size L (M on some brans now) which is 470-480 reach??

If this is correct, it leaves a big hole in the sizing and that hole is where the majority of adult males in the US would be. IIRC average height in the US is 5'9" for adult males which equals to somewhere around a 470ish reach give or take depending on body proportions. 

Seems like a big oversight if true.

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I dont want to let this down. 4bar is now crab link for me in this forum. One day I want to see a press release...

I dont want to let this down. 4bar is now crab link for me in this forum. One day I want to see a press release from a bike company, that lurks here, announcing that their frame has “Crab Linkage System”. One day.

Cascade Components has the opportunity to do something hysterical here.

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"IIRC average height in the US is 5'9" for adult males"
This explains the proliferation of massive, lifted, 6l pick ups perfectly.

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I dont want to let this down. 4bar is now crab link for me in this forum. One day I want to see a press release...

I dont want to let this down. 4bar is now crab link for me in this forum. One day I want to see a press release from a bike company, that lurks here, announcing that their frame has “Crab Linkage System”. One day.

Nico_Hrndz wrote:

I can imagine Transition launching the next Crab Sentinel 

New sentinel Oct 23 with in-frame storage. 

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10/3/2024 7:52am
Everyone designing bikes can rest easy knowing AI hasn’t caught on yet. The closer you look the more your head hurts.

Everyone designing bikes can rest easy knowing AI hasn’t caught on yet. The closer you look the more your head hurts.IMG 6893

And then Haibike was like: "Hold my beer..." EDIT: I'm just realising I was a bit late on this one. Sorry guys. 

And then Haibike was like: "Hold my beer..." 

EDIT: I'm just realising I was a bit late on this one. Sorry guys. 

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if you look at it, from a distance, at dusk, with one eye closed, it looks like a Unno :D

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I dont want to let this down. 4bar is now crab link for me in this forum. One day I want to see a press release...

I dont want to let this down. 4bar is now crab link for me in this forum. One day I want to see a press release from a bike company, that lurks here, announcing that their frame has “Crab Linkage System”. One day.

Nico_Hrndz wrote:

I can imagine Transition launching the next Crab Sentinel 

New sentinel Oct 23 with in-frame storage. 

how many crab legs will it hold?

(i'm sorry i can't help myself)

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Uncle Cliffy
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jonkranked wrote:

how many crab legs will it hold?

(i'm sorry i can't help myself)

Well, now you’ve done it.

Every time a company boasts in-frame storage, I’m going to call it “crab leg storage.“

 

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Everyone designing bikes can rest easy knowing AI hasn’t caught on yet. The closer you look the more your head hurts.

Everyone designing bikes can rest easy knowing AI hasn’t caught on yet. The closer you look the more your head hurts.IMG 6893

The saddest thing about this image is that AI thinks the most typical full sus mountain bike has a motor. And headset cable routing. 😢

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10/3/2024 8:49am

Haibike saw that video from a decade ago of that French dude riding the mountain scooter and 10 years later they were like "Yes, but what if it was in e-bike form?"

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10/3/2024 11:53am
jonkranked wrote:

how many crab legs will it hold?

(i'm sorry i can't help myself)

Well, now you’ve done it.

Every time a company boasts in-frame storage, I’m going to call it “crab leg storage.“

 

Calll it crab can then

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10/3/2024 11:55am

If common 4Bar is a crab? What is a hardtail?

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Prawn

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10/3/2024 12:36pm Edited Date/Time 10/3/2024 12:36pm

Not a big fan of 4bar bikes, they're a little bit too snappy and too much lateral movement

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10/3/2024 1:07pm

It’s not 100% on topic for this thread, but it’s probably more on topic than the crustacean discussion.


A while back I think I saw some slick moto style split triple clamps on here. Does anyone remember what they were, or if anyone else makes aftermarket Fox 40 crowns?


I’m trying to find a set of 44 or 48mm offset crowns; the Fox ones seem to be vaporware according to the LBS (and they’re horrifically expensive)

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Nobble wrote:
It’s not 100% on topic for this thread, but it’s probably more on topic than the crustacean discussion.A while back I think I saw some slick...

It’s not 100% on topic for this thread, but it’s probably more on topic than the crustacean discussion.


A while back I think I saw some slick moto style split triple clamps on here. Does anyone remember what they were, or if anyone else makes aftermarket Fox 40 crowns?


I’m trying to find a set of 44 or 48mm offset crowns; the Fox ones seem to be vaporware according to the LBS (and they’re horrifically expensive)

You can get 48mm crowns from Fox. The 44mm have been discontinued but they did have the lower crown and flat upper crown a few months back.

Here's the part numbers...

Screenshot 2024-10-03 at 4.13.28%E2%80%AFPM.png?VersionId=wQDMaCdYTZW1Rd7JeoDh1gbj7STuY

 

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10/3/2024 1:25pm
Nobble wrote:
It’s not 100% on topic for this thread, but it’s probably more on topic than the crustacean discussion.A while back I think I saw some slick...

It’s not 100% on topic for this thread, but it’s probably more on topic than the crustacean discussion.


A while back I think I saw some slick moto style split triple clamps on here. Does anyone remember what they were, or if anyone else makes aftermarket Fox 40 crowns?


I’m trying to find a set of 44 or 48mm offset crowns; the Fox ones seem to be vaporware according to the LBS (and they’re horrifically expensive)

chriskief wrote:
You can get 48mm crowns from Fox. The 44mm have been discontinued but they did have the lower crown and flat upper crown a few months...

You can get 48mm crowns from Fox. The 44mm have been discontinued but they did have the lower crown and flat upper crown a few months back.

Here's the part numbers...

Screenshot 2024-10-03 at 4.13.28%E2%80%AFPM.png?VersionId=wQDMaCdYTZW1Rd7JeoDh1gbj7STuY

 

Last time I talked to the LBS, they said that the 44 and the 48 lower crown were both unavailable with no estimated stock date.

I was considering buying a Marzocchi 58 for the crowns because they’ve been on sale but it looks like they ditched the 48mm option too.

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10/3/2024 2:04pm

Any word if/when Marzocchi is going to come out with a 29" 58? I want a simple freeride/park fork that can fit 29" wheels, not a $2500+ Boxxer Ultimate or Fox Factory 49. 

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10/3/2024 2:20pm
saskskier wrote:
Any word if/when Marzocchi is going to come out with a 29" 58? I want a simple freeride/park fork that can fit 29" wheels, not a...

Any word if/when Marzocchi is going to come out with a 29" 58? I want a simple freeride/park fork that can fit 29" wheels, not a $2500+ Boxxer Ultimate or Fox Factory 49. 

Suntour RUX?

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Banshee putting all models on a pretty good discount…sign of the times or something new incoming? Latest iteration came out 2019, so they’re about due… not much to change on them though, maybe slightly better seatube insertion and udh..

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10/3/2024 3:38pm
xavery23 wrote:
Banshee putting all models on a pretty good discount…sign of the times or something new incoming? Latest iteration came out 2019, so they’re about due… not...

Banshee putting all models on a pretty good discount…sign of the times or something new incoming? Latest iteration came out 2019, so they’re about due… not much to change on them though, maybe slightly better seatube insertion and udh..

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10/3/2024 3:46pm
xavery23 wrote:
Banshee putting all models on a pretty good discount…sign of the times or something new incoming? Latest iteration came out 2019, so they’re about due… not...

Banshee putting all models on a pretty good discount…sign of the times or something new incoming? Latest iteration came out 2019, so they’re about due… not much to change on them though, maybe slightly better seatube insertion and udh..

Their dealer email stated the below:

Why the Sale?

We’re running this massive sale to clear out the warehouse and generate the cashflow needed to invest in exciting new products currently in development. 

As the market continues to become more competitive, we need to rebalance our stock while investing in prototypes, extensive testing, and tooling for the future models we plan to launch next year and in the future.
 

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10/3/2024 3:57pm
saskskier wrote:
Any word if/when Marzocchi is going to come out with a 29" 58? I want a simple freeride/park fork that can fit 29" wheels, not a...

Any word if/when Marzocchi is going to come out with a 29" 58? I want a simple freeride/park fork that can fit 29" wheels, not a $2500+ Boxxer Ultimate or Fox Factory 49. 

I got the older boxxer select 29 new for 729.  I've seen ultimates on sale for 850.  As long as you don't want the latest and greatest there is good options out there.  But yes a 29 58 would be sweet.  I love my Z1.  

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10/3/2024 5:55pm
xavery23 wrote:
Banshee putting all models on a pretty good discount…sign of the times or something new incoming? Latest iteration came out 2019, so they’re about due… not...

Banshee putting all models on a pretty good discount…sign of the times or something new incoming? Latest iteration came out 2019, so they’re about due… not much to change on them though, maybe slightly better seatube insertion and udh..

Their dealer email stated the below:Why the Sale?We’re running this massive sale to clear out the warehouse and generate the cashflow needed to invest...

Their dealer email stated the below:

Why the Sale?

We’re running this massive sale to clear out the warehouse and generate the cashflow needed to invest in exciting new products currently in development. 

As the market continues to become more competitive, we need to rebalance our stock while investing in prototypes, extensive testing, and tooling for the future models we plan to launch next year and in the future.
 

About a week ago on Facebook they made a post asking who wants a new Darkside, it will be interesting to see if their new lineup is just small tweaks to existing models with the addition of a freeride/super enduro bike.

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Nobble wrote:
Last time I talked to the LBS, they said that the 44 and the 48 lower crown were both unavailable with no estimated stock date.I was...

Last time I talked to the LBS, they said that the 44 and the 48 lower crown were both unavailable with no estimated stock date.

I was considering buying a Marzocchi 58 for the crowns because they’ve been on sale but it looks like they ditched the 48mm option too.

If you really want one ASAP here's a 48mm option:

https://industrie-t.com/produkt/gb1-f48/ 

They're not cheap, but at least they're in stock. I think Mojo stopped making the MORCs so those may not be an option anymore.

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Nobble
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10/3/2024 9:08pm
Nobble wrote:
Last time I talked to the LBS, they said that the 44 and the 48 lower crown were both unavailable with no estimated stock date.I was...

Last time I talked to the LBS, they said that the 44 and the 48 lower crown were both unavailable with no estimated stock date.

I was considering buying a Marzocchi 58 for the crowns because they’ve been on sale but it looks like they ditched the 48mm option too.

jma853 wrote:
If you really want one ASAP here's a 48mm option:https://industrie-t.com/produkt/gb1-f48/ They're not cheap, but at least they're in stock. I think Mojo stopped making the...

If you really want one ASAP here's a 48mm option:

https://industrie-t.com/produkt/gb1-f48/ 

They're not cheap, but at least they're in stock. I think Mojo stopped making the MORCs so those may not be an option anymore.

Those are actually quite a bit cheaper than a pair of the Fox crowns.


The only problem is that they don’t offer a dropped upper crown. I’m not sure if I could make a flat upper crown work on my XL frame.

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10/3/2024 9:49pm Edited Date/Time 10/3/2024 10:00pm
Eae903 wrote:
Does a tuned mass damper really do all that much in MTB applications though? The motion of a bike isn't very consistent, so the vibrations will...

Does a tuned mass damper really do all that much in MTB applications though? The motion of a bike isn't very consistent, so the vibrations will vary a lot. 

juliusk wrote:

Yes it does, I can tell you. Have one on my bike and it is a massive difference in how the entire fork/wheel feels.

Right on. Reading about them here and on pink bike have made me get really curious about them and now I want to make one for myself. What materials are they making the sprung weight out of? The Countersycle on is either 350 or 550 grams. 550g in that small of a package is pretty crazy, it would have to be denser than brass or lead, unless they mass doesn't move that much inside the sleeve.

 

Update: I would guess it's made of tungsten, since it's almost 20g per cm^3

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10/3/2024 10:46pm Edited Date/Time 10/3/2024 10:47pm
saskskier wrote:
Any word if/when Marzocchi is going to come out with a 29" 58? I want a simple freeride/park fork that can fit 29" wheels, not a...

Any word if/when Marzocchi is going to come out with a 29" 58? I want a simple freeride/park fork that can fit 29" wheels, not a $2500+ Boxxer Ultimate or Fox Factory 49. 

I think the only reason a 29" 58 does not exist is called Freeride

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10/3/2024 11:19pm

Another opinion 

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