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10/2/2024 1:40pm
Question, does anyone know what a tuned mass damper would do for a hardtail? Or a full suspension XC bike? Like does this positively effect a...

Question, does anyone know what a tuned mass damper would do for a hardtail? Or a full suspension XC bike? Like does this positively effect a bike more if it has more or less travel? 

I don’t think the weight matters on how much suspension you have. The heavier it is, the bigger change you feel. 

Say 400g removes 20% of those vibrations, 600g gets to 35% and 800g will cover 50%.   You just notice the different more. Hope that helps, I have tried 400g and 800g on my fork.

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HexonJuan
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10/2/2024 2:02pm
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Re: SC Vala. Thing to keep in mind is a Horst Link specifically calls out the placement of the pivot as forward of and lower than...

Re: SC Vala. Thing to keep in mind is a Horst Link specifically calls out the placement of the pivot as forward of and lower than the axle. SC's unit is forward and slightly above the axle, so it has a bit more in common with Rocky's old link circa 2013 (forgot the name, sorry) prior to the Horst patent expiring. That's all a long way of saying technically it isn't a true Horst link, but letting people blab about it as such makes it easier to discuss as a Horst is a known design. Bonus: it also stops the forums/comments from exploding with "IT'S A HORST LINK" if they did decide to call it something else. Bypass the BS and get straight to ride characteristics.

metadave wrote:
So... the new Altitude is using (Not actually) VPP and the new Vala is using Smooth link

So... the new Altitude is using (Not actually) VPP and the new Vala is using Smooth link

Twilight-Zone

What a world, what a whirled, eh? Though I suppose you could make the argument that Rocky is using a design more similar to what Pole (originally), DMR, and to a degree Digit have done with the concentric BB pivot, at least on their non-electric units. The Powerplay jobber does use a proper Horst however.

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10/2/2024 2:04pm

those hybrid type e-mtb's make sense, would be good for adventuring on fire roads (ours are rough AF) and generally good for getting older people on bikes. I'm all for it.

Re: Shakeweight on a hardtail, I was thinking about this the other day. My Torrent would be incredible with a bit of sting taken out the back. 

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10/2/2024 2:48pm
1llumA wrote:
SoHorst Link = Crab LinkLinkage Driven Single Pivot = Faux Crab LinkHigh Pivot = Spider Crab LinkSingle Pivot = Rock Crab LinkVPP & DW = Blue...

So

Horst Link = Crab Link

Linkage Driven Single Pivot = Faux Crab Link

High Pivot = Spider Crab Link

Single Pivot = Rock Crab Link

VPP & DW = Blue crab Link

Hardtail = Lobster

Does this mean we can start calling the Specialized Rockhopper the Rock Lobster?

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10/2/2024 3:05pm
sspomer wrote:

the varying weights of crabs may shock you.

world cup DH bike weights.

Simcik wrote:

Who is going to compare different bike weights/costs to crab cost per pound? See which offers the better deal...

For simplicities sake I'll be using the king crab's pricing from this site: https://fishmanmkt.com/pages/market-prices

WeAreOne: 39.53 lbs - $1976.10

Intense: 41.8 lbs lbs - $2089.58

Greg's Norco: 45.15 lbs - $2257.04

Gracie's Norco: 43.28 lbs - $2163.56

Transition: 39.37 lbs - $1968.10

Trek: 42.57 lbs - $2128.92

Giant: 39.29 lbs - $1964.10

Crestline - 39.88 lbs - $1993.60

Atherton - 40.32 lbs - $2015.59

Gamux - 44.62 lbs - $2230.55

Pivot - 36.38 lbs - $1818.63

Personally I'd love to pay crab pricing rather than the pricing we have now. Which of these athletes would consider trading to me their bike if I offered their race bike's weight in King Crab?

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10/2/2024 3:22pm
For simplicities sake I'll be using the king crab's pricing from this site: https://fishmanmkt.com/pages/market-pricesWeAreOne: 39.53 lbs - $1976.10Intense: 41.8 lbs lbs - $2089.58Greg's Norco: 45.15...

For simplicities sake I'll be using the king crab's pricing from this site: https://fishmanmkt.com/pages/market-prices

WeAreOne: 39.53 lbs - $1976.10

Intense: 41.8 lbs lbs - $2089.58

Greg's Norco: 45.15 lbs - $2257.04

Gracie's Norco: 43.28 lbs - $2163.56

Transition: 39.37 lbs - $1968.10

Trek: 42.57 lbs - $2128.92

Giant: 39.29 lbs - $1964.10

Crestline - 39.88 lbs - $1993.60

Atherton - 40.32 lbs - $2015.59

Gamux - 44.62 lbs - $2230.55

Pivot - 36.38 lbs - $1818.63

Personally I'd love to pay crab pricing rather than the pricing we have now. Which of these athletes would consider trading to me their bike if I offered their race bike's weight in King Crab?

homepaged.

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10/2/2024 3:24pm

The only solution is to show up to MSA with a 45 pound bag of raw, dripping king crab meat and see who will take you up on the offer. 

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10/2/2024 3:32pm
ctbiker888 wrote:
the eSUV market is an interesting one, a fully equipped FS bike with rack/fenders... What ever happened to a 90's hard tail with thick slicks and...

the eSUV market is an interesting one, a fully equipped FS bike with rack/fenders... What ever happened to a 90's hard tail with thick slicks and a ziptied milk crate on the front or back rack?

Pot holes are rough, man.

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At least where I live, a lot of those 90's MTBs are still kicking around, still being used for what they do best, leisure rides and conmuting. Even if you want a brand new bike, the now named ATB (All Terrain Bike) is rissing in popularity in both sides of the atlantic ocean. Simple machines meant to go places... As much as I love tech and innovation, I believe the humble, plain and simple, good old bicycle, the one that get used daily, is the most important bike there is. SUV ebikes are ok too, I find very dificult to hate on bikes, but they look disposable to me, and that makes me sad

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10/2/2024 3:33pm

The Horseshoe Crab of the MTB industry, peak evolution.

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10/2/2024 3:45pm
Question, does anyone know what a tuned mass damper would do for a hardtail? Or a full suspension XC bike? Like does this positively effect a...

Question, does anyone know what a tuned mass damper would do for a hardtail? Or a full suspension XC bike? Like does this positively effect a bike more if it has more or less travel? 

I don’t think the weight matters on how much suspension you have. The heavier it is, the bigger change you feel. Say 400g removes 20% of those...

I don’t think the weight matters on how much suspension you have. The heavier it is, the bigger change you feel. 

Say 400g removes 20% of those vibrations, 600g gets to 35% and 800g will cover 50%.   You just notice the different more. Hope that helps, I have tried 400g and 800g on my fork.

Does a tuned mass damper really do all that much in MTB applications though? The motion of a bike isn't very consistent, so the vibrations will vary a lot. 

10/2/2024 4:00pm
For simplicities sake I'll be using the king crab's pricing from this site: https://fishmanmkt.com/pages/market-pricesWeAreOne: 39.53 lbs - $1976.10Intense: 41.8 lbs lbs - $2089.58Greg's Norco: 45.15...

For simplicities sake I'll be using the king crab's pricing from this site: https://fishmanmkt.com/pages/market-prices

WeAreOne: 39.53 lbs - $1976.10

Intense: 41.8 lbs lbs - $2089.58

Greg's Norco: 45.15 lbs - $2257.04

Gracie's Norco: 43.28 lbs - $2163.56

Transition: 39.37 lbs - $1968.10

Trek: 42.57 lbs - $2128.92

Giant: 39.29 lbs - $1964.10

Crestline - 39.88 lbs - $1993.60

Atherton - 40.32 lbs - $2015.59

Gamux - 44.62 lbs - $2230.55

Pivot - 36.38 lbs - $1818.63

Personally I'd love to pay crab pricing rather than the pricing we have now. Which of these athletes would consider trading to me their bike if I offered their race bike's weight in King Crab?

sspomer wrote:
homepaged.

homepaged.

crabweight

I'm honored.

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10/2/2024 4:33pm
Eae903 wrote:
Does a tuned mass damper really do all that much in MTB applications though? The motion of a bike isn't very consistent, so the vibrations will...

Does a tuned mass damper really do all that much in MTB applications though? The motion of a bike isn't very consistent, so the vibrations will vary a lot. 

Yes it does, I can tell you. Have one on my bike and it is a massive difference in how the entire fork/wheel feels.

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10/2/2024 4:43pm Edited Date/Time 10/2/2024 7:26pm

To mark the official arrival of Crab Link as a thing. I did a thing you can install on your chrome based browser (basically completely 100% stolen from the cloud to butt plugin)

I present Horst Link to Crab Link Chrome based plugin!

https://github.com/DServy/horst-to-crab

See it in action here!

Screenshot 2024-10-02 at 5.38.14%E2%80%AFPM


Edit: Please, no one actually use this. 
 

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10/2/2024 5:21pm

The new Pivot DH rig is really cool. I wonder if it could run a dropper, the seat post looks like it could???

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10/2/2024 5:22pm
DServy wrote:
To mark the official arrival of Crab Link as a thing. I did a thing you can install on your chrome based browser (basically completely 100%...

To mark the official arrival of Crab Link as a thing. I did a thing you can install on your chrome based browser (basically completely 100% stolen from the cloud to butt plugin)

I present Horst Link to Crab Link Chrome based plugin!

https://github.com/DServy/horst-to-crab

See it in action here!

Screenshot 2024-10-02 at 5.38.14%E2%80%AFPM


Edit: Please, no one actually use this. 
 

What a time to be alive

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10/2/2024 5:41pm

The new Pivot DH rig is really cool. I wonder if it could run a dropper, the seat post looks like it could???

You could probably use the second chain to crack crab shells

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10/2/2024 5:50pm

Got a Kona Minute with a Bafang BBSHD on it. It goes 30mph and hauls a lot of stuff. I really wish it had suspension. With a CRAB link in the back. Cuz when ya hit a pothole at 30 and you're in "cruiser" mode on a sunny afternoon, it is fuckin sketchy. Slow down, you say? Fat chance once you get used to the POWA and the speed! Its glorious! Worst digger in the last 5 years for me was on... the eSUV, and a little squish might have saved me! 

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10/2/2024 6:14pm
DServy wrote:
To mark the official arrival of Crab Link as a thing. I did a thing you can install on your chrome based browser (basically completely 100%...

To mark the official arrival of Crab Link as a thing. I did a thing you can install on your chrome based browser (basically completely 100% stolen from the cloud to butt plugin)

I present Horst Link to Crab Link Chrome based plugin!

https://github.com/DServy/horst-to-crab

See it in action here!

Screenshot 2024-10-02 at 5.38.14%E2%80%AFPM


Edit: Please, no one actually use this. 
 

I think this meme is now officially way out of hand but in the best possible way

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10/2/2024 6:48pm

The kind of forum sliding Im all for. Right into my veins

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10/2/2024 7:14pm

Stop reading this for a day, and now it’s seafood rumors and innovation.


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10/2/2024 7:20pm
Jotegr wrote:
The only solution is to show up to MSA with a 45 pound bag of raw, dripping king crab meat and see who will take you...

The only solution is to show up to MSA with a 45 pound bag of raw, dripping king crab meat and see who will take you up on the offer. 

Eddy Masters, I know you are reading this. Head to the Fish Market right now! 

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10/2/2024 7:20pm

Guys, this is the Tech Rumors and Innovation thread. Let's get it back on track.

There's been a $2230.55 prize offered up by CraberShox if you can win an Elite DH race with a TMD on your unsprung claw.

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10/2/2024 8:09pm Edited Date/Time 10/2/2024 8:32pm

Bike companies are struggling to sell bikes and Giant go a release the new Trance X Advanced SX, one of the best looking fun bikes perfect for Australia in limited countries only so we can't get our hands on it 🤦‍♂️

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I dont want to let this down. 4bar is now crab link for me in this forum. One day I want to see a press release from a bike company, that lurks here, announcing that their frame has “Crab Linkage System”. One day.

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I dont want to let this down. 4bar is now crab link for me in this forum. One day I want to see a press release...

I dont want to let this down. 4bar is now crab link for me in this forum. One day I want to see a press release from a bike company, that lurks here, announcing that their frame has “Crab Linkage System”. One day.

I can imagine Transition launching the next Crab Sentinel 

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Thanks for the nightmares... 

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