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Ignore this person, mean people suck.
In other news, a net is nice, but as Jim demonstrated, doesnt solve all of the problems. Again with the takeoff that has a double compression and a tight lip.
Your means something belonging to you.
You're is a contraction of you are.
ie Your grammar is very poor but luckily you're amazing at riding.
Possibly you should have spent a little more time studying and less time living on shelves in the desert.
This feature has completely deterred me and many others from watching. The crazy thing is the gap isn't that huge in the scheme of things but, the shit transition, lack of safety and just shear uglyness of the feature is not pleasant.
I understand it is hard line but this it putyourlifeontheline. I hope this is the last time we see this stuff.
I also think something is being overlooked here. If this is a race... Held in Wales... That frequently experiences delays or cancellations due to wind and rain. How in the name of the lord are you gonna run this safely? As much as I love some do or die shit... I was hoping Wales would go more in the tech direction and less in the whole 80-90 footers direction after last year's cancellation. This is beyond like safety and design bias, just logistically as a showrunner this feature seems like a nightmare. It's the kind of thing you build for a video part with no real time table. Not a race. (EDIT: oh yeah and how would you go AROUND this... if need be?)
And if it's being kept, arguably so much of it needs to be fixed. Ramp is too kicky. Even the G out run in is arguably too 'kicky'. And there's too much punishment for going 'right side'. Which riders should be aiming for. The fact that you wanna turn left to not shoot up a hill side is awful. I'm taking the hill over the sheer cliff. But 2 out of 3 riders nearly took the cliff. So... It needs fixin
change.org/gee_please_stop
They said they are taking the lip back and making it safer, there was fear about the 90s being too dangerous when Bernard crashed (he broke his hand and probably got a concussion yet still raced) - same thing with the road gap and the 100ft (now 80ft) jump in Tas. One of the builders of hardline Tas literally disabled himself for a few months testing the jump. That's the whole thing with theses new features, testing is needed and sometimes goes bad... yet come the end of the week girls were racing hardline down in OZ
Gee for Great British Baking Show.
I’m all for massive jumps. That will never change. Never have been for things where a fluke mechanical on a run in would lead to serious injury. I hope it doesn’t get too sloppy. Mud covered wood is sketchy.
*women
This is not natural.
Interested in what this 'structure' is classified as on this property. Sure, it gets 'tested' for clickbait only to have the event come through and suddenly this widow-maker has sponsor banners on it, making it some form of 'display'.
There's no way something like that could possibly be inspected and deemed safe. But not like it matters since this is the exact type of bullcrap that ruins bicycling for everyone, and I do turn away from trainwrecks by default.
At least they should put a net. Scary shit
The fact that you think crabs is 70ft makes it very hard to take anything else you say seriously.
Two things that I think are being overlooked here.
1. It sounds like those guys were literally the first ones down the track. I can only imagine RB invited them to test the features for the first time and provide feedback for the build crew to make improvements. I’d bet the canyon gap will look a lot less sketchy for the actual event.
2. All the talk about wooden features making things less “au natural” is coming from 2 new features and ignoring the completely new top section. It looks extremely natural and gnarly and I think overall they’ve cut down on the number of “man-made” features on the course.
Why not? They make big air snowboard/ski jumps out of scaffold all the time then pile snow on top. You really think they have just erected it, not supported it and said have at it? Feel will be bolted to the ground and there are likely multiple braces also bolted to rock. Just because you would do it, doesn't make it unsafe.
You're right. This totally is 'Mountain Biking'. I bet the 'Ski Biking' event this past winter caused you to faint and have the vapors...
@repackreminisces i'm all in favor of huge jumps. i thought hardline tasmania was rad. i think fest is rad. if they're going to make jumps out of scaffolding, they should be well designed jumps without punji sticks in the gap...no different than clearing logs and sticks outside of b-zones in a DH race. like i said in another post, i don't care what the jumps made out of..the "it's not natural" thing doesn't personally bother me much anymore considering ladders and built stunts have existed in MTB for 30 years or more.
i'm really surprised that w/ scaffolding and the ability to literally engineer a lip any way they want, why not use a mega ramp template instead of a guessing game and eyeballing? mega ramps are massive gaps but "mathematically" safe because of trajectories and arcs and all that science stuff. they're not bucky, they're floaty and controlled. there's still the marketability of an insane leap without the roll of the dice everytime someone drops in.
(old guy video of danny way jumping great wall of china. 16 years ago they had it figured out (and yes, he wrecked himself on this in practice b/c the landing ramp design didn't have a rolled-over knuckle, but he still came back and pulled it...thanks schroeder for the "it reminds me of danny way's great wall jump" talking about the hardline canyon gap)
concussions are brain injuries
how come Gee didn't test it himself? Is he recovering from an injury as is he usually is?
Jim Monro: “…but somehow came away with just a concussion”
That statement is not trivialising concussion!! Jim (the actual guy that crashed) is saying that he’s lucky it wasn’t worse!
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7cOn7gsV4X/?igsh=MXN6aTM3amNneXV5OQ==
(link just for reference as it’s already posted in full previously)
Which builder? The crash I know of was McMillan casing the creek gap, and I've seen the footage and talked to people there and he rode of with so little speed he almost landed in the creek. People legit thought he was testing the run up he was going that slow. That crash was on him.
My point is we have technology to make jumps safer these days. It can be calculated, you look at angles of takeoff, total distance, and speed gained from run in, and heck even a speed gun.
The curves they built of the gap are just bad, there so sharp. The wooden hip is the same, it's a tight curve then heaps of flat after, that's not a nice takeoff
If I was Team Manager for any World Cup rider, I'd be pulling the plug on this race. A simulation is very easy to run to understand take off speed, approach angle, landing angle, etc. You know, physics? Should never be up to a racer to guinea pig random napkin engineering.
I feel bad for the riders. On one side Disco is Dumbing Down the races, on the other RB is Dumbing Up with builds like this. Race injuries due to line choice is one thing, but I don't want to watch a rider get concussed because of a poor build idea
Just watched Matt Jones vlog, they confirmed they are changing the take-off of the canyon gap, so that's something at least. Still insane none of these professional builders thought that was an OK lip in the first place.
If it was just on Dave, how come they changed the jump afterwards? When Dave revealed his injuries, other riders commented suggesting there was something up with the jump itself too. It seems he was a bit slow for it but that wasn't the only factor.
They knew they wouldn't have enough speed in the wet for it to be safe, so they shortened it so it could be ridden in all conditions.
The outcome is you saw in the dry they were gapping to the flat pretty much on race runs.
Dave's crash was bizarre. Nobody quite knows why he took so little speed into it.
They actually cut the course short, where it finished was actually meant to be a huge sharkfin step down that got canned. You can see the banking in the finish area that was meant to be the sharkfin in the broadcast.
In what way is discovery dumbing down the races?
No snark, just curious on your perspective.
And as for this jump @ hardline. I agree 😨
Rant on (not aimed to you in particular) Death and spinal cord injuries are worse than a concussion. If you are lucky (meaning the expectations is a negative outcome=bad injury) to get away with something that is just better than those injuries after a crash on a feature you willingly decided to hit, then the feature it's dangerous. This is daredevil stuff, the risk of severe injury it does not add to how "hard' a line is to ride. The gap would be just as technical/hard if it was filled with pillows. Rant off.
Ya dont have to be old to know a Monster Truck Show, Gladiators-Gone-Wild, DH on Meth & Reality TV look... and this is that look. I'm all about some rowdy, some wild, people pushing it - this isn't even the biggest gap on this track. Its the begging-for-attention-ness of it, that its mandatory (vs. lines riders build themselves in Rampage) and sure... Brenden & Bienve did similar canyon gaps @ Rampage. They chose those features & hand built it. This was contracted by a construction crew that doesn't know or care about mtb: just a contract.
Its easy to eat all the hyperbole pills - I do it all the time, and while I hear you in part, the puffery, peacocking & bluster about that anyone taken aback by the obvious carelessness, danger and gladiator spectacle of this - is bloviating and hyperbole. Its not insane to that that actually insane is insane & I don't think even you are happy Munro already brained himself & that this is a death feature.
MTB, even rampage & hardline are insane enough without gladiator features - forcing this type of gladiator Evil Knieval stuff on everyone is a degradation and not a progression to biking. Yep, all these riders are big boys & girls & they can decide if they wanna do it - meanwhile lots of riders are bailing b/c they don't wanna end their dh careers (or lives) and looking at some crap like this and saying it crosses the line means you care about the sport and not a political stunt.
I didn't read everything but have been around the sport long enough to have seen "this sort of thing" before. Few observations.
1) Our opinion really doesn't matter.
2) The riders are going to do what the riders want to do.
3) From a sponsor/event perspective, this works. Look how many comments this has drummed up between instagram, YouTube, Vital, PB etc. If awareness is the goal, they already won.
4) I think Evil Knievel stunts take away from the coolest part of the actual sport, but again, I'm a couch QB. Not the person out there riding. I think watching a rider lace a perfect off camber section in the mud or rip a right hand flat corner is rad. But I've been doing this forever and know the intricacy of the sport so I find it cool to watch that sort of thing. What I just described doesn't translate for the masses.
5) I'm not a professional athlete and still sometimes take risks jumping something (or similar...much smaller - but still). I do this for free. I also often go "eh, not for me". Again, it doesn't matter for me, but this should illustrate the bigger point. There is value to be had by simply doing it. I know, its insane, and makes zero logical sense, but risk taking for risk taking's sense is actually fun. Just listen to BK after clearing the jump.
This. The hip was an even bigger red flag. It almost looks like they had people who don't ride those type of features build it. Part of me refuses to believe Gee and Dan were on site during those builds. I can see them losing the big picture on the canyon jump during building and kinda not realizing some things until its too late, especially with the scaffolding. I guess. But the hip jump just made me think 'who built this?' It's relatively tiny and nobody tested it. All the boys seemed to say 'this doesnt make any sense' and just outright said to fix it before any testing could be done. Yikes
Part of the story that is missing is... Come event time a LOT of people were over shooting tbh. I'm not sure how many were in any danger of under shooting. I'm still under the impression that Dave had a weird go and maybe wasn't the man to test it. I'm not sure how different the soil was at the time. I'm also still under the impression it was generally a good decision to pull it back, but consider its a race and people are happily going no brake down the end. You may have needed to take 1% kick off the lip to do so. Luckily riders adjusted fine mostly. But damn some of those over shots were scary.
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