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nicompr
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4/2/2024 12:01pm
Evil96 wrote:
Another Beautiful bike ruined by cable tourism, a real plague on this market. Spindrift? a light ebike? let's see, real shame Propain decided to fuck everything...

Another Beautiful bike ruined by cable tourism, a real plague on this market.

Spindrift? a light ebike? let's see, real shame Propain decided to fuck everything up with Acros

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Definitely an ebike, you can see the small Shimano screen and the thrid cable between the front brake and the dropper remote

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4/2/2024 1:00pm Edited Date/Time 4/2/2024 3:14pm
Evil96 wrote:
Another Beautiful bike ruined by cable tourism, a real plague on this market. Spindrift? a light ebike? let's see, real shame Propain decided to fuck everything...

Another Beautiful bike ruined by cable tourism, a real plague on this market.

Spindrift? a light ebike? let's see, real shame Propain decided to fuck everything up with Acros

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The acros lower headset bearings on my Hugene disassembled itself while in the bike after 2 months of light riding (long COVID recovery right after I got the bike). 

To their credit Propain sent a replacement but I replaced it with a King headset that has been trouble free for more than a year.

Not being able to swap the acros headset is a deal breaker. 

 

On the other hand, the pivot hardware has been excellent. Still running like new.

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4/2/2024 1:23pm

Yeti's Switch isn't a DW design. It's actually a DE design, as in David Earle of Sotto Group. Same homie behind the Sine sus on Alchemy (in itself just a var. of Switch). There are more Dave's involved in suspension design than just Weagle Beagle. 

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“Dampener” is the verbiage equivalent of counting clicks from open and helmets with removable chin bars. 

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4/2/2024 5:54pm Edited Date/Time 4/3/2024 10:52am
jsray wrote:

“Dampener” is the verbiage equivalent of counting clicks from open and helmets with removable chin bars. 

"Dampener" is the equivalent of putting your fork on backwards. We owe these people a heads up. Whether they choose to listen is their choice. And yes, this is a real image from an issue of Men's Health.

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2supple
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I heard its best to run the Fox 38s and Zebs with full dampening. Also important to add an s to the end of every forks name too (cause why not). Find me at your local blue flow trail this weekend blasting Nickelback from my bluetooth speaker. 

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2supple wrote:
I heard its best to run the Fox 38s and Zebs with full dampening. Also important to add an s to the end of every forks...

I heard its best to run the Fox 38s and Zebs with full dampening. Also important to add an s to the end of every forks name too (cause why not). Find me at your local blue flow trail this weekend blasting Nickelback from my bluetooth speaker. 

My fork has dampening as well as a triple clamp… Laughing

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4/2/2024 6:45pm
2supple wrote:
I heard its best to run the Fox 38s and Zebs with full dampening. Also important to add an s to the end of every forks...

I heard its best to run the Fox 38s and Zebs with full dampening. Also important to add an s to the end of every forks name too (cause why not). Find me at your local blue flow trail this weekend blasting Nickelback from my bluetooth speaker. 

My fork has dampening as well as a triple clamp… 

My fork has dampening as well as a triple clamp… Laughing

Triple CROWN... idiot! Wink 

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4/2/2024 6:54pm
2supple wrote:
I heard its best to run the Fox 38s and Zebs with full dampening. Also important to add an s to the end of every forks...

I heard its best to run the Fox 38s and Zebs with full dampening. Also important to add an s to the end of every forks name too (cause why not). Find me at your local blue flow trail this weekend blasting Nickelback from my bluetooth speaker. 

My fork has dampening as well as a triple clamp… 

My fork has dampening as well as a triple clamp… Laughing

Dave113 wrote:
Triple CROWN... idiot!  

Triple CROWN... idiot! Wink 

Except the 3rd crown is called an arch…

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4/2/2024 8:51pm
jsray wrote:

“Dampener” is the verbiage equivalent of counting clicks from open and helmets with removable chin bars. 

To preface this comment, I do count my clicks from closed. That said, I do think it makes more sense to count from open. You would think that the most uninhibited setting would be where you would want to start, but that's just my two cents.

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And with the latest Rockshox, you start from middle. Silly

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jsray wrote:

“Dampener” is the verbiage equivalent of counting clicks from open and helmets with removable chin bars. 

To preface this comment, I do count my clicks from closed. That said, I do think it makes more sense to count from open. You would...

To preface this comment, I do count my clicks from closed. That said, I do think it makes more sense to count from open. You would think that the most uninhibited setting would be where you would want to start, but that's just my two cents.

You don't count from open because of the tolerances. Most (all?) dampers are designed in a way where fully closed is the end stop. So counting from fully closed gives you equal settings across items from the same product line. So 5 clicks from closed is the same on all grip2 38s. With tolerances playing a role it might not be the same when counting 5 clicks from open.

Your two cents do have logic behind it but it's sadly somewhat incomplete as it doesn't take the actual product and/or manufacturing it into account. That's the crux of why you should count from closed. 

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You guys count your clicks? 

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If you remove the rebound knob on your Rock Shox fork and adjust it using a long Allen key there are no clicks to count. 

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Evil96
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4/2/2024 11:56pm
Evil96 wrote:
Another Beautiful bike ruined by cable tourism, a real plague on this market. Spindrift? a light ebike? let's see, real shame Propain decided to fuck everything...

Another Beautiful bike ruined by cable tourism, a real plague on this market.

Spindrift? a light ebike? let's see, real shame Propain decided to fuck everything up with Acros

image-20240402205125-2

The acros lower headset bearings on my Hugene disassembled itself while in the bike after 2 months of light riding (long COVID recovery right after I...

The acros lower headset bearings on my Hugene disassembled itself while in the bike after 2 months of light riding (long COVID recovery right after I got the bike). 

To their credit Propain sent a replacement but I replaced it with a King headset that has been trouble free for more than a year.

Not being able to swap the acros headset is a deal breaker. 

 

On the other hand, the pivot hardware has been excellent. Still running like new.

that's why i'm pissed they are doing that shit cable routing, bikes are well spec, great price, ride amazing, but that thing is a deal breaker

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I instructed my friend to get an aluminium Tyee just to be able to run normal internal routing. The carbon verison is headset only... 

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My fork has dampening as well as a triple clamp… 

My fork has dampening as well as a triple clamp… Laughing

Is that your front forks or.....you know ,the other forks your bike has. The back forks?

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4/3/2024 4:12am
Primoz wrote:

I instructed my friend to get an aluminium Tyee just to be able to run normal internal routing. The carbon verison is headset only... 

How are his rear triangle tolerances?

The propain (and propain accessories) I've seen people ride have developed a lot of play with their rear triangle. We thought it was because it's a solid rear triangle with the links Infront of the bottom bracket which gives it an even bigger leverage to develop play than a normal dual link design. 

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4/3/2024 4:15am
Evil96 wrote:
Another Beautiful bike ruined by cable tourism, a real plague on this market. Spindrift? a light ebike? let's see, real shame Propain decided to fuck everything...

Another Beautiful bike ruined by cable tourism, a real plague on this market.

Spindrift? a light ebike? let's see, real shame Propain decided to fuck everything up with Acros

image-20240402205125-2

The acros lower headset bearings on my Hugene disassembled itself while in the bike after 2 months of light riding (long COVID recovery right after I...

The acros lower headset bearings on my Hugene disassembled itself while in the bike after 2 months of light riding (long COVID recovery right after I got the bike). 

To their credit Propain sent a replacement but I replaced it with a King headset that has been trouble free for more than a year.

Not being able to swap the acros headset is a deal breaker. 

 

On the other hand, the pivot hardware has been excellent. Still running like new.

Evil96 wrote:

that's why i'm pissed they are doing that shit cable routing, bikes are well spec, great price, ride amazing, but that thing is a deal breaker

Same.

I am very happy with my Hugene but I have had 2 issues with it in just under 2 years.

1st was the headset which was clearly a defect since it died early on.

The second was I broke the lower pivot bolt that is right behind the chainring. 

Customer service has been mixed. With the headset Propain sent a replacement quickly and easily, minimal fuss. 

With the broken pivot bolt in January 2024, I had to schedule a call to even speak to a rep. I cheated and found the VP of Propain US's contact info and emailed him directly and got it taken care of faster. 

The rep I was put in contact Seneca, was excellent. I had a bolt in less than 24 hours. 

When I talked to him I asked to buy spares for all of the suspension hardware. He sent me spares free of charge, but I am still waiting on some of the bolts to come from Germany. To get the spares I have took over a month. This reminds me that I need to check in with him. 

On the Propain Germany website they sell all the spare parts, but they do not ship to the US and you can not purchase spare parts from the Propain US site. 

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Primoz
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4/3/2024 4:24am
Primoz wrote:

I instructed my friend to get an aluminium Tyee just to be able to run normal internal routing. The carbon verison is headset only... 

How are his rear triangle tolerances? The propain (and propain accessories) I've seen people ride have developed a lot of play with their rear triangle. We...

How are his rear triangle tolerances?

The propain (and propain accessories) I've seen people ride have developed a lot of play with their rear triangle. We thought it was because it's a solid rear triangle with the links Infront of the bottom bracket which gives it an even bigger leverage to develop play than a normal dual link design. 

Got some more info on that one? He has a nasty creak coming from the general BB area that I haven't yet managed to properly diagnose other than checking if the suspension bolts are tight...

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monarchmason
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4/3/2024 5:29am
You guys count your clicks? 

You guys count your clicks? 

I was thinking of this same exact response. I go for the feel. Its really up to the exact frame Im riding to tune the fork to that or the rear shock if it has a wonky tune. 

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Primoz wrote:

I instructed my friend to get an aluminium Tyee just to be able to run normal internal routing. The carbon verison is headset only... 

Was pretty close to getting my wife the Tyee CF6, decided not too after seeing the cable tourism and the mile high seat tube. The geo and sizing was actually very good, as they offered the XS with a pretty small reach and stack that fit my wife pretty well. Oh well. 

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4/3/2024 6:13am
Primoz wrote:
Got some more info on that one? He has a nasty creak coming from the general BB area that I haven't yet managed to properly diagnose...

Got some more info on that one? He has a nasty creak coming from the general BB area that I haven't yet managed to properly diagnose other than checking if the suspension bolts are tight...

As far as I know it's pretty common with them that they benefit from fitting shim washers between the frame and bearings.

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4/3/2024 10:32am

any updates on the stumpjumper 

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4/3/2024 11:24am
cfowlkes wrote:

any updates on the stumpjumper 

heard no EVO version.  I bet it will be released late in the year.

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Knolly is announcing their next gen 6 frame release on the 11th- I'm betting it will be the new Fugitive.

 

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4/3/2024 11:43am
Primoz wrote:

I instructed my friend to get an aluminium Tyee just to be able to run normal internal routing. The carbon verison is headset only... 

How are his rear triangle tolerances? The propain (and propain accessories) I've seen people ride have developed a lot of play with their rear triangle. We...

How are his rear triangle tolerances?

The propain (and propain accessories) I've seen people ride have developed a lot of play with their rear triangle. We thought it was because it's a solid rear triangle with the links Infront of the bottom bracket which gives it an even bigger leverage to develop play than a normal dual link design. 

Primoz wrote:
Got some more info on that one? He has a nasty creak coming from the general BB area that I haven't yet managed to properly diagnose...

Got some more info on that one? He has a nasty creak coming from the general BB area that I haven't yet managed to properly diagnose other than checking if the suspension bolts are tight...

The links develop quite a bit of play, and they would share shim laterally (I don't know how to describe it, but not around the axle. 

They don't have (from memory) an expanding collet style axle for their pivots, just a threaded axle that is tensioned from the pivot bolts, any lateral movement from landing sideways, schralping would develop play eventually, so you get off the shelf washers and jam them in either side of the bearings to make it pretty much a press fit situation, as opposed to really on the bolt tension. 

I think that's helpful? It was a over a year ago it came up

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You guys count your clicks? 

You guys count your clicks? 

Absolutely, I love counting, I've been doing it since I was 2!

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4/3/2024 1:30pm
2supple wrote:
I heard its best to run the Fox 38s and Zebs with full dampening. Also important to add an s to the end of every forks...

I heard its best to run the Fox 38s and Zebs with full dampening. Also important to add an s to the end of every forks name too (cause why not). Find me at your local blue flow trail this weekend blasting Nickelback from my bluetooth speaker. 

Wait, I actually run a lot of compression on my 38… are you laughing with me or at me??

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