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PJ205
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1/15/2024 9:04am Edited Date/Time 1/15/2024 9:04am
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It’s not just riding you suck at bro

Definitely not, however having a superior point of view from the herd is not one of them.

Did you slide off Pinkbike because you generally thought your opinions were above the users of PB and figured your Intelligence would be better appreciated over...

Did you slide off Pinkbike because you generally thought your opinions were above the users of PB and figured your Intelligence would be better appreciated over at vital? 

I can't sort out why you came over here.

Attention. Dude is clearly one of those people who never mentally matured and constantly needs interaction with strangers on the internet, regardless of whether it's positive or not.

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lickmycrinkle
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1/15/2024 9:06am
Strength is very overrated, unless you’re Sam Hill your talent will always hold you back. Chug some beers and grow something downstairs (ladies too) and you’ll...

Strength is very overrated, unless you’re Sam Hill your talent will always hold you back. Chug some beers and grow something downstairs (ladies too) and you’ll be get to your top end. I suck at riding so mtbing is just a money dump for me.

Lol. If anything strength is very underrated in DH. Half the times people crash is because they crumple and lose body position when going fast. Getting...

Lol.

If anything strength is very underrated in DH.

Half the times people crash is because they crumple and lose body position when going fast. Getting stronger improves everything.

You don't have to be powerlifting strong, but stronger is better

Some skinny junior always shows up and beats almost all elites every few years, goldstone comes to recent memory 

He'd probably still beat you to a pulp. Hopefully break your fingers too so you're unable to shit up this thread.

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1/15/2024 9:46am
Lol. If anything strength is very underrated in DH. Half the times people crash is because they crumple and lose body position when going fast. Getting...

Lol.

If anything strength is very underrated in DH.

Half the times people crash is because they crumple and lose body position when going fast. Getting stronger improves everything.

You don't have to be powerlifting strong, but stronger is better

Some skinny junior always shows up and beats almost all elites every few years, goldstone comes to recent memory 

He'd probably still beat you to a pulp. Hopefully break your fingers too so you're unable to shit up this thread.

Sir, violence is never the answer

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1/15/2024 11:36am

Just seemed like too much of an echo chamber over here

Teamrobot burner account found.

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TimBud
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1/15/2024 11:42am

Teamrobot burner account found.

Don’t blame TeamRobot for that ****

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1/15/2024 12:08pm

Teamrobot burner account found.

TimBud wrote:

Don’t blame TeamRobot for that ****

Easy tiger, a little jokey obviously.

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1/15/2024 12:17pm

Some skinny junior always shows up and beats almost all elites every few years, goldstone comes to recent memory 

He'd probably still beat you to a pulp. Hopefully break your fingers too so you're unable to shit up this thread.

Sir, violence is never the answer

Nah, sometimes violence is absolutely the answer Wink

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He'd probably still beat you to a pulp. Hopefully break your fingers too so you're unable to shit up this thread.

Sir, violence is never the answer

Nah, sometimes violence is absolutely the answer Wink

Even Jesus was persecuted for his beliefs

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1/15/2024 2:36pm

Even Jesus was persecuted for his beliefs

Yo, Mods can we get this dude banned? 

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PellyNH
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1/15/2024 2:39pm

FFS, can we talk about some tech rumors?

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1/15/2024 2:47pm

I love my onyx hubs. 
but that bearing placement on the new KOM makes me really really happy. It’s just pleasing to know. It would be like an emotional security blanket in my heart to install that hub on any bike I plan to ride for a while. Well done. I hope it takes off. Gets licensed and there is a silent version with soft but high degree engagement  

 

how bout that tech forum huh? 
we all new Scott was gonna do this. It doesn’t really help that they keep doing it. 
I guess someone would do that eventually (put the guts inside the frame) but it’s nice to know that my local service centric shops are learning new tricks. 
service centric shops always have the most jaded to capable ratios going. And twinloc nude bikes are still walking in the door keeping the lights on. Dyad shocks not so much. 

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I love my onyx hubs.  but that bearing placement on the new KOM makes me really really happy. It’s just pleasing to know. It would be...

I love my onyx hubs. 
but that bearing placement on the new KOM makes me really really happy. It’s just pleasing to know. It would be like an emotional security blanket in my heart to install that hub on any bike I plan to ride for a while. Well done. I hope it takes off. Gets licensed and there is a silent version with soft but high degree engagement  

 

how bout that tech forum huh? 
we all new Scott was gonna do this. It doesn’t really help that they keep doing it. 
I guess someone would do that eventually (put the guts inside the frame) but it’s nice to know that my local service centric shops are learning new tricks. 
service centric shops always have the most jaded to capable ratios going. And twinloc nude bikes are still walking in the door keeping the lights on. Dyad shocks not so much. 

Scott bikes have an extra 100$ time tax at this point every time one comes through the door for more than a quick adjustment. 

Every new internal shock bike I've seen out in the wild also sound like a bag of metal blocks falling down the stairs when climbing. 

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1/15/2024 3:14pm

Do pinions rattle at all?

I think rattle on a bike is worse than garbage breaks. I would (begrudgingly) accept headset routing if it absolutely guaranteed complete silence from all other components ….but I do like single speeds.   So maybe I’m an outlier 

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1/15/2024 3:14pm Edited Date/Time 1/15/2024 3:15pm
I love my onyx hubs.  but that bearing placement on the new KOM makes me really really happy. It’s just pleasing to know. It would be...

I love my onyx hubs. 
but that bearing placement on the new KOM makes me really really happy. It’s just pleasing to know. It would be like an emotional security blanket in my heart to install that hub on any bike I plan to ride for a while. Well done. I hope it takes off. Gets licensed and there is a silent version with soft but high degree engagement  

 

how bout that tech forum huh? 
we all new Scott was gonna do this. It doesn’t really help that they keep doing it. 
I guess someone would do that eventually (put the guts inside the frame) but it’s nice to know that my local service centric shops are learning new tricks. 
service centric shops always have the most jaded to capable ratios going. And twinloc nude bikes are still walking in the door keeping the lights on. Dyad shocks not so much. 

metadave wrote:
Scott bikes have an extra 100$ time tax at this point every time one comes through the door for more than a quick adjustment.  Every new...

Scott bikes have an extra 100$ time tax at this point every time one comes through the door for more than a quick adjustment. 

Every new internal shock bike I've seen out in the wild also sound like a bag of metal blocks falling down the stairs when climbing. 

Wait… when climbing?

 

Maybe Im just really open to trying things but Id definitely try the Scotts. Except for the least innovative thing on them (headset routing) makes me not want them. Still do just a little. But not enough to get one.

One thing I am curious about is the service life for the shocks that are in frames. Obviously they are away from the elements. Big win. But they also have no ventilation as far as I know. But I dont know if the fluids on the inside are rated for way higher heats? Regardless Id love to see a really long term test on this. 
 

Maybe Ill buy one and just drill some holes in my downtube and route it the way I want. 

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metadave
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I love my onyx hubs.  but that bearing placement on the new KOM makes me really really happy. It’s just pleasing to know. It would be...

I love my onyx hubs. 
but that bearing placement on the new KOM makes me really really happy. It’s just pleasing to know. It would be like an emotional security blanket in my heart to install that hub on any bike I plan to ride for a while. Well done. I hope it takes off. Gets licensed and there is a silent version with soft but high degree engagement  

 

how bout that tech forum huh? 
we all new Scott was gonna do this. It doesn’t really help that they keep doing it. 
I guess someone would do that eventually (put the guts inside the frame) but it’s nice to know that my local service centric shops are learning new tricks. 
service centric shops always have the most jaded to capable ratios going. And twinloc nude bikes are still walking in the door keeping the lights on. Dyad shocks not so much. 

metadave wrote:
Scott bikes have an extra 100$ time tax at this point every time one comes through the door for more than a quick adjustment.  Every new...

Scott bikes have an extra 100$ time tax at this point every time one comes through the door for more than a quick adjustment. 

Every new internal shock bike I've seen out in the wild also sound like a bag of metal blocks falling down the stairs when climbing. 

Wait… when climbing?   Maybe Im just really open to trying things but Id definitely try the Scotts. Except for the least innovative thing on them...

Wait… when climbing?

 

Maybe Im just really open to trying things but Id definitely try the Scotts. Except for the least innovative thing on them (headset routing) makes me not want them. Still do just a little. But not enough to get one.

One thing I am curious about is the service life for the shocks that are in frames. Obviously they are away from the elements. Big win. But they also have no ventilation as far as I know. But I dont know if the fluids on the inside are rated for way higher heats? Regardless Id love to see a really long term test on this. 
 

Maybe Ill buy one and just drill some holes in my downtube and route it the way I want. 

It sounded like every bearing on one bike were representing the Rice Krispy mascots. It looked pretty new so I was surprised. The lack internal housing routing is also terrible. You have to take the thing apart, It's required to do basic work. Other companies have solved this with internal sleeves so I have a hard time understanding why Scott when full stupid when they designed these bikes as "integrated designs" but didn't full integrate the routing to help manage the complexity. 

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1/15/2024 3:26pm
I love my onyx hubs.  but that bearing placement on the new KOM makes me really really happy. It’s just pleasing to know. It would be...

I love my onyx hubs. 
but that bearing placement on the new KOM makes me really really happy. It’s just pleasing to know. It would be like an emotional security blanket in my heart to install that hub on any bike I plan to ride for a while. Well done. I hope it takes off. Gets licensed and there is a silent version with soft but high degree engagement  

 

how bout that tech forum huh? 
we all new Scott was gonna do this. It doesn’t really help that they keep doing it. 
I guess someone would do that eventually (put the guts inside the frame) but it’s nice to know that my local service centric shops are learning new tricks. 
service centric shops always have the most jaded to capable ratios going. And twinloc nude bikes are still walking in the door keeping the lights on. Dyad shocks not so much. 

metadave wrote:
Scott bikes have an extra 100$ time tax at this point every time one comes through the door for more than a quick adjustment.  Every new...

Scott bikes have an extra 100$ time tax at this point every time one comes through the door for more than a quick adjustment. 

Every new internal shock bike I've seen out in the wild also sound like a bag of metal blocks falling down the stairs when climbing. 

Wait… when climbing?   Maybe Im just really open to trying things but Id definitely try the Scotts. Except for the least innovative thing on them...

Wait… when climbing?

 

Maybe Im just really open to trying things but Id definitely try the Scotts. Except for the least innovative thing on them (headset routing) makes me not want them. Still do just a little. But not enough to get one.

One thing I am curious about is the service life for the shocks that are in frames. Obviously they are away from the elements. Big win. But they also have no ventilation as far as I know. But I dont know if the fluids on the inside are rated for way higher heats? Regardless Id love to see a really long term test on this. 
 

Maybe Ill buy one and just drill some holes in my downtube and route it the way I want. 

What you should be concerned with are the trash RC CAR  bearings they use for all the pivots (yes, even the main pivots) once my bud saw his fancy bike in pieces waiting for the replacements (which you’d be relieved to know aren’t common bike sizes) and he realized how small they were…. He turned to the tech (who i had indeed just handed a beer and pre roll to- out of respect and sympathy)  and said: “sheesh, that’s why they didn’t last 3 months” ……

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Uncle Cliffy
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1/15/2024 3:26pm

Even Jesus was persecuted for his beliefs

Here he is every time you make a post;

IMG 6149

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1/15/2024 3:30pm

Excuse my Scott bikes rant. But if I may:

Just to be clear, when the cables are routed through the headset and past rhe internally mounted shock, and you want to find the blown bearing in the pivots, but you don’t want to take off the the whole rear end, you do indeed need to remove the ………………….

stem.

Or bar/stem combo. And brakes from the bars probably. But maybe not. Hopefully. 

 

gotta love tech rumors tho.

better than a 38 tuning forum. 

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1/15/2024 3:33pm

Maybe the real question is : will FOX really invert the arch??????????????

(on mtb) 

metadave
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1/15/2024 5:19pm

Maybe the real question is : will FOX really invert the arch??????????????

(on mtb) 

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1/15/2024 6:55pm

Maybe the real question is : will FOX really invert the arch??????????????

(on mtb) 

metadave wrote:

8cgwmm.jpg?VersionId=d2s

Or does it flop? And fox jumps it to marzo? 

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1/15/2024 7:51pm

Damn, looks pretty good.

Taking a bite out of the Fox Transfer with the no-shock-pump-needed style cartridge.

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1/15/2024 8:58pm

Oneup has to be one of the only brands in MTB who actually give riders what they want Including the price point.
Decent quality, well thought out without complication products

The only thing extra thing i want from a dropper is a decent way to access the seat rail clamp bolts.

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Outlawed
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1/15/2024 9:40pm Edited Date/Time 1/15/2024 9:45pm

Looks like a perfect revision (I see the V2.1 rebuild kit gets the revised midcap and SKF seal). My V2 post has been an absolute dud, like clockwork, every 25-30 rides it needs a rebuild kit thrown at it. Constantly pushes grease past the seal, excessive rotational play and the midcap constantly works its self loose (which you cannot tighten down much or it causes the post to return slower). See if the V2.1 rebuild kit makes any marginal improvement before I get rid of it.

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1/15/2024 11:04pm
Outlawed wrote:
Looks like a perfect revision (I see the V2.1 rebuild kit gets the revised midcap and SKF seal). My V2 post has been an absolute dud...

Looks like a perfect revision (I see the V2.1 rebuild kit gets the revised midcap and SKF seal). My V2 post has been an absolute dud, like clockwork, every 25-30 rides it needs a rebuild kit thrown at it. Constantly pushes grease past the seal, excessive rotational play and the midcap constantly works its self loose (which you cannot tighten down much or it causes the post to return slower). See if the V2.1 rebuild kit makes any marginal improvement before I get rid of it.

Wow, it's crazy how much variation there is in these cheap posts.  What's the deal?

Everyone loves PNW right?  I returned two brand new PNW Loam posts for having hilariously bad rotational play out of the box before I gave up on that idea and bought a OneUp which, aside from needing to be cleaned and greased a bit too frequently, has been great.

If only servicing a Fox Transfer didn't cost almost as much as a cheap post...

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Evil96
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1/15/2024 11:10pm
Outlawed wrote:
Looks like a perfect revision (I see the V2.1 rebuild kit gets the revised midcap and SKF seal). My V2 post has been an absolute dud...

Looks like a perfect revision (I see the V2.1 rebuild kit gets the revised midcap and SKF seal). My V2 post has been an absolute dud, like clockwork, every 25-30 rides it needs a rebuild kit thrown at it. Constantly pushes grease past the seal, excessive rotational play and the midcap constantly works its self loose (which you cannot tighten down much or it causes the post to return slower). See if the V2.1 rebuild kit makes any marginal improvement before I get rid of it.

my v2 is 3 years old now, never touched it and i'm about to service it now for the first time, still looks and works great

 

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1/15/2024 11:14pm
Outlawed wrote:
Looks like a perfect revision (I see the V2.1 rebuild kit gets the revised midcap and SKF seal). My V2 post has been an absolute dud...

Looks like a perfect revision (I see the V2.1 rebuild kit gets the revised midcap and SKF seal). My V2 post has been an absolute dud, like clockwork, every 25-30 rides it needs a rebuild kit thrown at it. Constantly pushes grease past the seal, excessive rotational play and the midcap constantly works its self loose (which you cannot tighten down much or it causes the post to return slower). See if the V2.1 rebuild kit makes any marginal improvement before I get rid of it.

I've owned Far to many oneup posts and other than their notable rattle, ive never had an issue, they get ridden in mud/ice/dust

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PJ205
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1/16/2024 2:16am

I got a chance to check out the new V3 dropper the last couple of weeks so I took it upon myself to tear it down and compare the V2 and V3 internals. V3 is very noticeably lighter, the horizontal rattle when the seat is dropped is definitely improved, the seals and bushings are beefed up considerably, and it's ridiculously easy to work. Waiting to 240mm stock to be available to me so I can toss it on my enduro bike and move my 210mm V2 over to my trail bike.

NicoZesty98, the cartridge is sealed and doesn't look like it can be serviced. Bright side is that it is 100% recyclable.

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