2024 TEAM RUMORS

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12/5/2023 10:45pm

Some were speculating about the GOAT going back to Oakley.

These Smith ads have been showing up on my FB feed. 🤔Screenshot 20231206 002522 Facebook.jpg?VersionId=RQ4QB.ov.

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tullie wrote:
I remember when The Rat retired,  Rob was heartbroken. He absolutely loves racing and the Syndicate was his pride and joy. Hopefully there will be a...

I remember when The Rat retired,  Rob was heartbroken. He absolutely loves racing and the Syndicate was his pride and joy.

Hopefully there will be a new Syndicate with a different brand. 

yep, I think both Rob and Ratboy choked up on interviews the day it was announced. Even the vibe in the Syndicate videos has changed a ton since Rob/Kathy left the team. It seems weird they never feature/introduce any of the other staff involved (besides the mechanics and Peaty).

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There was a time when Greg would have joined the Lapierre team alongside with Loris and Loic (according to a recent interview of Laurent Delorme).  I...

There was a time when Greg would have joined the Lapierre team alongside with Loris and Loic (according to a recent interview of Laurent Delorme). 

I can't really see Specialized Gravity get Greg on the roster but what if?

They don't have a bike big enough. Unior Sinter was supposed to run Specialized frames a few years back (Tanja actually did in XC), but there wasn't a big enough Demo available for Jure (S5) , so they went with Senders. They could make a custom size for the like of Greg, but what does that look like for the marketing department? 😜

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With Loic Duval commenting with "losing heritage". Loic Duval of Le Mans 24h winner fame in an Audi with Allan McNish and Tom Kristensen of all people.

Rob has some connections! 

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'comes down to Leadership' & 'wrong people in place' - to me that reads as a jibe at Peaty because as I understand it, that is who Rob put in to replace Kathy S when she stepped back. Looking back to Loris and Luca moving on - in both cases there were rumours that Peaty was over bearing and treated them like kids which is why they wanted out.

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12/6/2023 7:01am

I heard it was not Peaty, it was Greg not pumped on Loris and Luca.  Mind games apparently.  Even after leaving, Each time Luca has been on the podium Peaty has always shown a lot of love to him.  What do I know though.

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"All the best going forward with your new ride."

 

It seems to me that GM will NOT be following Roskopp to Unno, then.   

 

So Norco it is.

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12/6/2023 7:23am

Or he's just being proper and not letting a the Goat out of the bag.

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12/6/2023 8:17am

unofficial insight info:

Szymon and Dawid Godziek on specalized next year

 

Riding Demos and P.3s you reckon? I'm just curious. Some years specialized has more niche bikes (freeride, entry-level (?) DH, slalom, slopestyle, freestyle BMX) and some years not, and it's been a bunch of years of not.

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12/6/2023 8:30am
puddings wrote:
'comes down to Leadership' & 'wrong people in place' - to me that reads as a jibe at Peaty because as I understand it, that is...

'comes down to Leadership' & 'wrong people in place' - to me that reads as a jibe at Peaty because as I understand it, that is who Rob put in to replace Kathy S when she stepped back. Looking back to Loris and Luca moving on - in both cases there were rumours that Peaty was over bearing and treated them like kids which is why they wanted out.

I don't see this aimed at Peaty but more at Santa Cruz/Pon execs turning the the team into a "trade team" run buy the accountants rather than what the syndicate stood for originally.

I can see Rob doing in the future what Pete Fox and Jim Jannard have done and setup his own brand (or getting in with Unno) and creating a modern syndicate team.

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puddings wrote:
'comes down to Leadership' & 'wrong people in place' - to me that reads as a jibe at Peaty because as I understand it, that is...

'comes down to Leadership' & 'wrong people in place' - to me that reads as a jibe at Peaty because as I understand it, that is who Rob put in to replace Kathy S when she stepped back. Looking back to Loris and Luca moving on - in both cases there were rumours that Peaty was over bearing and treated them like kids which is why they wanted out.

I don't think you're correct there. In that sentence, Rob is talking about SCB (Santa Cruz Bikes) not the Syndicate. There is recent history there. 

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puddings wrote:
'comes down to Leadership' & 'wrong people in place' - to me that reads as a jibe at Peaty because as I understand it, that is...

'comes down to Leadership' & 'wrong people in place' - to me that reads as a jibe at Peaty because as I understand it, that is who Rob put in to replace Kathy S when she stepped back. Looking back to Loris and Luca moving on - in both cases there were rumours that Peaty was over bearing and treated them like kids which is why they wanted out.

Oz_Taylor wrote:

I don't think you're correct there. In that sentence, Rob is talking about SCB (Santa Cruz Bikes) not the Syndicate. There is recent history there. 

I fully agree. I don’t think this was about the Syndicate, but was aimed at PON mostly. Rob built Santa Cruz bikes into the “core” brand it was. I’ve worked at a handful of Santa Cruz dealers of the years, and until recently you couldn’t keep those things in stock. They started losing foothold when they got behind the times with ebikes and released that outdated and under gunned first gen. Heckler ebike. They kept losing foothold when their pricing got out of hand for the part spec you were getting, and now they got even more behind the ball by waiting to discount their bikes far after the other big brands had already dropped prices. Not to mention that, at least in my area, really the only way to get them is to go to Mikes Bikes, which no one really does because everyone looks at Mikes as a corporate store for your average enthusiast not the place you go for top end parts and service. I would reckon from about 2013 to 2020 a Santa Cruz was every third bike I saw, now a days, it’s probably one in 10. He is watching his brain child and hard work fall off the map and turn into yet another drop in the moderately premium mass produced bicycle market. I would be bitter, too.

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12/6/2023 9:16am
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Unno always made the most sense to me.   At this point, GM is probably wanting something to invest in that he can call his own. UNNO...

Unno always made the most sense to me.  
At this point, GM is probably wanting something to invest in that he can call his own.
UNNO Collective focuses on developing new and novel & pulls in outside money to develop new tech, a lot not even bike oriented.
With Roskopp having ties there, I can see GM wanting to be rid of the corporate overlords at PON Syndicate & be free to tinker.


 

I think the same. Unno is a brand that is sponsoring some spanish riders and they seem to have the cash to throw in a big deal.

Headquarters reasonably close to Andorra where Greg (and Angel spend most of their time) will help

Also Unno is a boutique brand that can produce custom frames, linkages very fast, since all the production is made locally in Spain. We know Greg will need this, and frankly he hasn't got three years to develop a bike from scratch.

I could see him making a Gwin move and owning a piece of the whole project too.

Lastly, FOX

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Unno is not a made in Spain brand anymore, the current bikes (ebike and bicycle of the same design language) are made overseas. 

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12/6/2023 9:37am Edited Date/Time 12/6/2023 10:11am
puddings wrote:
'comes down to Leadership' & 'wrong people in place' - to me that reads as a jibe at Peaty because as I understand it, that is...

'comes down to Leadership' & 'wrong people in place' - to me that reads as a jibe at Peaty because as I understand it, that is who Rob put in to replace Kathy S when she stepped back. Looking back to Loris and Luca moving on - in both cases there were rumours that Peaty was over bearing and treated them like kids which is why they wanted out.

Oz_Taylor wrote:

I don't think you're correct there. In that sentence, Rob is talking about SCB (Santa Cruz Bikes) not the Syndicate. There is recent history there. 

TayRob wrote:
I fully agree. I don’t think this was about the Syndicate, but was aimed at PON mostly. Rob built Santa Cruz bikes into the “core” brand...

I fully agree. I don’t think this was about the Syndicate, but was aimed at PON mostly. Rob built Santa Cruz bikes into the “core” brand it was. I’ve worked at a handful of Santa Cruz dealers of the years, and until recently you couldn’t keep those things in stock. They started losing foothold when they got behind the times with ebikes and released that outdated and under gunned first gen. Heckler ebike. They kept losing foothold when their pricing got out of hand for the part spec you were getting, and now they got even more behind the ball by waiting to discount their bikes far after the other big brands had already dropped prices. Not to mention that, at least in my area, really the only way to get them is to go to Mikes Bikes, which no one really does because everyone looks at Mikes as a corporate store for your average enthusiast not the place you go for top end parts and service. I would reckon from about 2013 to 2020 a Santa Cruz was every third bike I saw, now a days, it’s probably one in 10. He is watching his brain child and hard work fall off the map and turn into yet another drop in the moderately premium mass produced bicycle market. I would be bitter, too.

You're probably right, but at the end of the day wasn't it his choice to cash out and sell to PON? You can't have it both ways and to me, he comes off as an entitled asshole stuck in his version of "the good ol' days". I don't know how the decision to cut Greg happened, but I think it would be smart build the future of the team around Jackson and there's only so much a brand can budget for a race team.

Speculating that the budget was set, and the decision was between keeping Greg and cutting support staff for the team, or dropping Greg and giving the remaining riders the staff they need to be fully supported, I would choose to cut Greg even with his history.

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You're probably right, but at the end of the day wasn't it his choice to cash out and sell to PON? You can't have it both...

You're probably right, but at the end of the day wasn't it his choice to cash out and sell to PON? You can't have it both ways and to me, he comes off as an entitled asshole stuck in his version of "the good ol' days". I don't know how the decision to cut Greg happened, but I think it would be smart build the future of the team around Jackson and there's only so much a brand can budget for a race team.

Speculating that the budget was set, and the decision was between keeping Greg and cutting support staff for the team, or dropping Greg and giving the remaining riders the staff they need to be fully supported, I would choose to cut Greg even with his history.

Nailed it in one! 

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12/6/2023 11:14am

all these guys are going to be fine...

that said: you keep Greg Minnaar on your bike racing squad! 

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12/6/2023 1:24pm Edited Date/Time 12/6/2023 1:26pm

I just want to hear a podcast where GM in his very polite and respectful South African accent sets fire to Santa Cruz and burns all bridges with his PON corporate overlords in a scorched earth "Tell All" rivaling the Milli Vanilli scandal and C&C Music Factory debacle where he unveils that his last 2 wins were using an EEB motor that had been secretly developed in his Honda days that he never offically raced.

But then, once Father Time came calling, he folded to PON's relentless pressures to win at all cost & electric motored his way to a hollow victory...only now relieving himself of the guilt and burden of endless shame.  And from this point forward, he sets out on a path of motorless redemption to claim ONE LAST VICTORY from age itself.

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12/6/2023 1:26pm Edited Date/Time 12/6/2023 1:47pm
Nico_Hrndz wrote:
There was a time when Greg would have joined the Lapierre team alongside with Loris and Loic (according to a recent interview of Laurent Delorme).  I...

There was a time when Greg would have joined the Lapierre team alongside with Loris and Loic (according to a recent interview of Laurent Delorme). 

I can't really see Specialized Gravity get Greg on the roster but what if?

Primoz wrote:
They don't have a bike big enough. Unior Sinter was supposed to run Specialized frames a few years back (Tanja actually did in XC), but there...

They don't have a bike big enough. Unior Sinter was supposed to run Specialized frames a few years back (Tanja actually did in XC), but there wasn't a big enough Demo available for Jure (S5) , so they went with Senders. They could make a custom size for the like of Greg, but what does that look like for the marketing department? 😜

They made a custom xxl demo for Jordan this year. Besides that, Greg's bikes have never actually been that big anyway. He likes a long chainstay but the reach numbers aren't that big.

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12/6/2023 1:44pm
Oz_Taylor wrote:

I don't think you're correct there. In that sentence, Rob is talking about SCB (Santa Cruz Bikes) not the Syndicate. There is recent history there. 

TayRob wrote:
I fully agree. I don’t think this was about the Syndicate, but was aimed at PON mostly. Rob built Santa Cruz bikes into the “core” brand...

I fully agree. I don’t think this was about the Syndicate, but was aimed at PON mostly. Rob built Santa Cruz bikes into the “core” brand it was. I’ve worked at a handful of Santa Cruz dealers of the years, and until recently you couldn’t keep those things in stock. They started losing foothold when they got behind the times with ebikes and released that outdated and under gunned first gen. Heckler ebike. They kept losing foothold when their pricing got out of hand for the part spec you were getting, and now they got even more behind the ball by waiting to discount their bikes far after the other big brands had already dropped prices. Not to mention that, at least in my area, really the only way to get them is to go to Mikes Bikes, which no one really does because everyone looks at Mikes as a corporate store for your average enthusiast not the place you go for top end parts and service. I would reckon from about 2013 to 2020 a Santa Cruz was every third bike I saw, now a days, it’s probably one in 10. He is watching his brain child and hard work fall off the map and turn into yet another drop in the moderately premium mass produced bicycle market. I would be bitter, too.

You're probably right, but at the end of the day wasn't it his choice to cash out and sell to PON? You can't have it both...

You're probably right, but at the end of the day wasn't it his choice to cash out and sell to PON? You can't have it both ways and to me, he comes off as an entitled asshole stuck in his version of "the good ol' days". I don't know how the decision to cut Greg happened, but I think it would be smart build the future of the team around Jackson and there's only so much a brand can budget for a race team.

Speculating that the budget was set, and the decision was between keeping Greg and cutting support staff for the team, or dropping Greg and giving the remaining riders the staff they need to be fully supported, I would choose to cut Greg even with his history.

I read it as being aimed at Joe Graney, who was promoted from head of engineering to CEO of Santa Cruz when Rob stepped down.

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12/6/2023 2:09pm
TayRob wrote:
I fully agree. I don’t think this was about the Syndicate, but was aimed at PON mostly. Rob built Santa Cruz bikes into the “core” brand...

I fully agree. I don’t think this was about the Syndicate, but was aimed at PON mostly. Rob built Santa Cruz bikes into the “core” brand it was. I’ve worked at a handful of Santa Cruz dealers of the years, and until recently you couldn’t keep those things in stock. They started losing foothold when they got behind the times with ebikes and released that outdated and under gunned first gen. Heckler ebike. They kept losing foothold when their pricing got out of hand for the part spec you were getting, and now they got even more behind the ball by waiting to discount their bikes far after the other big brands had already dropped prices. Not to mention that, at least in my area, really the only way to get them is to go to Mikes Bikes, which no one really does because everyone looks at Mikes as a corporate store for your average enthusiast not the place you go for top end parts and service. I would reckon from about 2013 to 2020 a Santa Cruz was every third bike I saw, now a days, it’s probably one in 10. He is watching his brain child and hard work fall off the map and turn into yet another drop in the moderately premium mass produced bicycle market. I would be bitter, too.

You're probably right, but at the end of the day wasn't it his choice to cash out and sell to PON? You can't have it both...

You're probably right, but at the end of the day wasn't it his choice to cash out and sell to PON? You can't have it both ways and to me, he comes off as an entitled asshole stuck in his version of "the good ol' days". I don't know how the decision to cut Greg happened, but I think it would be smart build the future of the team around Jackson and there's only so much a brand can budget for a race team.

Speculating that the budget was set, and the decision was between keeping Greg and cutting support staff for the team, or dropping Greg and giving the remaining riders the staff they need to be fully supported, I would choose to cut Greg even with his history.

I read it as being aimed at Joe Graney, who was promoted from head of engineering to CEO of Santa Cruz when Rob stepped down.

Careful what you ask for.

12/6/2023 2:37pm
puddings wrote:
'comes down to Leadership' & 'wrong people in place' - to me that reads as a jibe at Peaty because as I understand it, that is...

'comes down to Leadership' & 'wrong people in place' - to me that reads as a jibe at Peaty because as I understand it, that is who Rob put in to replace Kathy S when she stepped back. Looking back to Loris and Luca moving on - in both cases there were rumours that Peaty was over bearing and treated them like kids which is why they wanted out.

Oz_Taylor wrote:

I don't think you're correct there. In that sentence, Rob is talking about SCB (Santa Cruz Bikes) not the Syndicate. There is recent history there. 

TayRob wrote:
I fully agree. I don’t think this was about the Syndicate, but was aimed at PON mostly. Rob built Santa Cruz bikes into the “core” brand...

I fully agree. I don’t think this was about the Syndicate, but was aimed at PON mostly. Rob built Santa Cruz bikes into the “core” brand it was. I’ve worked at a handful of Santa Cruz dealers of the years, and until recently you couldn’t keep those things in stock. They started losing foothold when they got behind the times with ebikes and released that outdated and under gunned first gen. Heckler ebike. They kept losing foothold when their pricing got out of hand for the part spec you were getting, and now they got even more behind the ball by waiting to discount their bikes far after the other big brands had already dropped prices. Not to mention that, at least in my area, really the only way to get them is to go to Mikes Bikes, which no one really does because everyone looks at Mikes as a corporate store for your average enthusiast not the place you go for top end parts and service. I would reckon from about 2013 to 2020 a Santa Cruz was every third bike I saw, now a days, it’s probably one in 10. He is watching his brain child and hard work fall off the map and turn into yet another drop in the moderately premium mass produced bicycle market. I would be bitter, too.


I would agree with you for santa cruz being late to the party. But also they did a big favor for swallowing the bitter pill them selfs and not passing it on to the dealers?
But yeah lets see how the whole industry develops over the next years! 

Thats sounds like you might visit the guys from @thespiritproject / @radsportlang . Not that close to you but worth the visit! Also they are Santa Cruz dealers now, along with other brands like Forbidden. 

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12/7/2023 2:26am
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Norco sounding likely but I could also see Greg talking to someone local to him in Andorra. There’s always been a lot of mutual respect between...

Norco sounding likely but I could also see Greg talking to someone local to him in Andorra. There’s always been a lot of mutual respect between him and Max Commencal? Or I’d be equally unsurprised if Greg/Roskopp/Whitely are working on something with Unno in Barcelona.

Whitely is managing Frameworks now. 

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12/7/2023 6:11am

unofficial insight info:

Szymon and Dawid Godziek on specalized next year

 

Snfoilhat wrote:
Riding Demos and P.3s you reckon? I'm just curious. Some years specialized has more niche bikes (freeride, entry-level (?) DH, slalom, slopestyle, freestyle BMX) and some...

Riding Demos and P.3s you reckon? I'm just curious. Some years specialized has more niche bikes (freeride, entry-level (?) DH, slalom, slopestyle, freestyle BMX) and some years not, and it's been a bunch of years of not.

They have a budget freeride option with the status. But there isn't anything in this niche with more than 160mm travle.

They just released the new p3 dirtjumper a couple of months ago

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what does this mean for team rumors 

 

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  what does this mean for team rumors   

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what does this mean for team rumors 

 

Nothing. Australian school summer break starts this weekend.

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12/7/2023 7:39am
29 wrote:
  what does this mean for team rumors   

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what does this mean for team rumors 

 

Only Fans?

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12/7/2023 9:18am

unofficial insight info:

Szymon and Dawid Godziek on specalized next year

 

Snfoilhat wrote:
Riding Demos and P.3s you reckon? I'm just curious. Some years specialized has more niche bikes (freeride, entry-level (?) DH, slalom, slopestyle, freestyle BMX) and some...

Riding Demos and P.3s you reckon? I'm just curious. Some years specialized has more niche bikes (freeride, entry-level (?) DH, slalom, slopestyle, freestyle BMX) and some years not, and it's been a bunch of years of not.

They have a budget freeride option with the status. But there isn't anything in this niche with more than 160mm travle. They just released the new...

They have a budget freeride option with the status. But there isn't anything in this niche with more than 160mm travle.

They just released the new p3 dirtjumper a couple of months ago

There is current Enduro with cascade link that is 180mm rear travel if I remember corrrectly and with the (really early) rumours of a new Enduro coming..

12/7/2023 9:52am

Ok we get it. GM is off SC. Blah blah..... But who is Dak riding for? 

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