Horst link bikes generally have low anti-rise because the virtual pivot point is usually quite far forward. But raising the pivot means adding anti-rise. I expect...
Horst link bikes generally have low anti-rise because the virtual pivot point is usually quite far forward. But raising the pivot means adding anti-rise. I expect that the AR on a mid-pivot horst link bike is still lower in general than a single pivot/VPP/DW bike where the main pivot, real or virtual, is near the top of the chainring through most of the stroke. Perhaps they want to keep the very low AR braking feel of a typical horst while also making use of a higher pivot.
There is a problem that exists with super low anti rise that’s always glossed over. If anti rise is too low, the whole bike pitches forward...
There is a problem that exists with super low anti rise that’s always glossed over. If anti rise is too low, the whole bike pitches forward more dramatically under heavy braking. For example, personally I think the enduro has too little anti rise because when slamming on the brakes super hard the rear goes to full extension easier than I’d like. Combined with lots of compression on the fork, it results in the thing riding like it has super steep geo. It also will pitch forward a lot when trying to creep into steep things. On a whole the enduro is great bike and this issue is only in two particular scenarios, but it does show why on any bike, including Horst link, one might want to tune anti rise for a given track and not always to make it lower.
Yeah, I prefer high AR bikes (100+ %) and consider any issues with choppiness and harsh suspension under braking to be a damping setup issue more...
Yeah, I prefer high AR bikes (100+ %) and consider any issues with choppiness and harsh suspension under braking to be a damping setup issue more than a kinematics issue. The benefit of a rear end that squats/calms itself/slackens the bike under braking is pretty noticeable imo. And I've only noticed high AR ever feel bad when the bike had the rebound too slow or the bike was relying on a low speed climbing platform compression setting to provide support.
The general attitude towards AR though is that lower is better... So assumed that is what they were going for.
Fabien Barel famously rode his floating brake arm on the Kona in a way where his rear end would get pulled into the travel under braking to add stability. Therefore my previous comments about floating brake arms giving the option of adjustability (through changing the length of the supporting arm for the brake link).
So, in essence, a brake arm can change the characteristics of a suspension design in more ways than just make it active during braking. Didn’t know that - always thought it’s there just for the “active during braking” job, so it was kinda strange to see it on a horst-link which is famous for being active without a brake arm. Thanx!
I got a glimpse of a picture of the new Ransom. Hidden shock as everyone expected but it also hat kind of a wishbone/extra link a la demo if its a four bar or could even be a 6bar (dont think so) and have a rocker and the wishbone link like the new supreme. Also had some weird/unknown to me rotors.
So, in essence, a brake arm can change the characteristics of a suspension design in more ways than just make it active during braking. Didn’t know...
So, in essence, a brake arm can change the characteristics of a suspension design in more ways than just make it active during braking. Didn’t know that - always thought it’s there just for the “active during braking” job, so it was kinda strange to see it on a horst-link which is famous for being active without a brake arm. Thanx!
Just So. My only use is a DIY DH bike using a Santa Cruz Bullit swing arm. Theirs went to the seat tube and would more or less point at the single pivot point. Tunable slightly up or down. I had to cut out and reweld a section of seat tube to support the amount of force that It imparts.
I got a glimpse of a picture of the new Ransom. Hidden shock as everyone expected but it also hat kind of a wishbone/extra link a...
I got a glimpse of a picture of the new Ransom. Hidden shock as everyone expected but it also hat kind of a wishbone/extra link a la demo if its a four bar or could even be a 6bar (dont think so) and have a rocker and the wishbone link like the new supreme. Also had some weird/unknown to me rotors.
Could you see where the vertical link finishes at the top (like the Specialized), or does it appear to go into the seat tube like the Yeti Sixfinity models? And did it look like it had an idler?
Those look a lot like fox compression valves on that vs proto shock. Obviously it's still in testing phase, and if he is using the dhx2 valves, it's out of convenience in order to dial in the architecture. Either way, I'm really interested in seeing what exactly Steve is trying to better/improve with his rear shock.
I'm stoked to try that thing out. I had a vorsprung tractive tuned super deluxe ultimate coil (that's a mouthful) on my v1 megatower that I just recently replaced with an 11/6. The 11/6 is better... by a very slim margin. Let's call it 3-5% better at over 300% of the cost of the tractive tuned super deluxe.
I spoke to Steve briefly about the shock when I was picking up some parts from him on a recent whistler trip. Sounded like it was 2024 release at the earliest. Either way, I'm hoping it slots in between the dhx 2 and the 11/6. If so, it would be the perfect setup at the right price.
Those look a lot like fox compression valves on that vs proto shock. Obviously it's still in testing phase, and if he is using the dhx2...
Those look a lot like fox compression valves on that vs proto shock. Obviously it's still in testing phase, and if he is using the dhx2 valves, it's out of convenience in order to dial in the architecture. Either way, I'm really interested in seeing what exactly Steve is trying to better/improve with his rear shock.
I'm stoked to try that thing out. I had a vorsprung tractive tuned super deluxe ultimate coil (that's a mouthful) on my v1 megatower that I just recently replaced with an 11/6. The 11/6 is better... by a very slim margin. Let's call it 3-5% better at over 300% of the cost of the tractive tuned super deluxe.
I spoke to Steve briefly about the shock when I was picking up some parts from him on a recent whistler trip. Sounded like it was 2024 release at the earliest. Either way, I'm hoping it slots in between the dhx 2 and the 11/6. If so, it would be the perfect setup at the right price.
I can confirm a read a comment reply from Vorsprung on IG that said available Q1 of 2024.
I’m definitely interested to try the shock. I really appreciate Steve’s attention to detail and all the information he produces on YouTube. But yes, what does he plan to do differently than what’s available on the market? I feel like they wouldn’t put out a shock unless it does something better than what’s available.
I got a glimpse of a picture of the new Ransom. Hidden shock as everyone expected but it also hat kind of a wishbone/extra link a...
I got a glimpse of a picture of the new Ransom. Hidden shock as everyone expected but it also hat kind of a wishbone/extra link a la demo if its a four bar or could even be a 6bar (dont think so) and have a rocker and the wishbone link like the new supreme. Also had some weird/unknown to me rotors.
Could you see where the vertical link finishes at the top (like the Specialized), or does it appear to go into the seat tube like the...
Could you see where the vertical link finishes at the top (like the Specialized), or does it appear to go into the seat tube like the Yeti Sixfinity models? And did it look like it had an idler?
There is a pivot where a classic horst pivot would be, then seatstays that connect to a "rocker" and inbetween the seatstay pivot and the rocker to seattube attachment there is a wishbone a la demo/supreme. Definitely no idler. Red are pivots. Green shock attachment. blue rear axle
I got a glimpse of a picture of the new Ransom. Hidden shock as everyone expected but it also hat kind of a wishbone/extra link a...
I got a glimpse of a picture of the new Ransom. Hidden shock as everyone expected but it also hat kind of a wishbone/extra link a la demo if its a four bar or could even be a 6bar (dont think so) and have a rocker and the wishbone link like the new supreme. Also had some weird/unknown to me rotors.
Could you see where the vertical link finishes at the top (like the Specialized), or does it appear to go into the seat tube like the...
Could you see where the vertical link finishes at the top (like the Specialized), or does it appear to go into the seat tube like the Yeti Sixfinity models? And did it look like it had an idler?
There is a pivot where a classic horst pivot would be, then seatstays that connect to a "rocker" and inbetween the seatstay pivot and the rocker...
There is a pivot where a classic horst pivot would be, then seatstays that connect to a "rocker" and inbetween the seatstay pivot and the rocker to seattube attachment there is a wishbone a la demo/supreme. Definitely no idler. Red are pivots. Green shock attachment. blue rear axle
Based on your picture, that's the same layout as the current Enduro, right? Should be interesting.
Vivid could be a few years. Remember how long ago they were testing the new Boxxer? It's been in the wild for at least two years, and the Vivid was JUST first seen a few months ago. I would say spring 2024 at the earliest.
Saw the new vivid on a bike today at trailpark klínovec. The guy was an average joe too, so I'm guessing he must have gotten it from a bike factory or something. Means it should be close to release. Oh and I don't know if it's been said here or no, but it has adjustable HBO just like the coil super deluxe.
Fabien Barel famously rode his floating brake arm on the Kona in a way where his rear end would get pulled into the travel under braking to add stability. Therefore my previous comments about floating brake arms giving the option of adjustability (through changing the length of the supporting arm for the brake link).
So, in essence, a brake arm can change the characteristics of a suspension design in more ways than just make it active during braking. Didn’t know that - always thought it’s there just for the “active during braking” job, so it was kinda strange to see it on a horst-link which is famous for being active without a brake arm. Thanx!
Focus v10
Off topic but does anyone else find this pair’s particular brand of youtubey influencer absolutely unbearable?
Spotted that new Prototype Pyga HP DH bike in the bike abuse video from Val Di Sol
I will love to see any update to the Pyga enduro bikes soon.
I got a glimpse of a picture of the new Ransom. Hidden shock as everyone expected but it also hat kind of a wishbone/extra link a la demo if its a four bar or could even be a 6bar (dont think so) and have a rocker and the wishbone link like the new supreme. Also had some weird/unknown to me rotors.
Just So. My only use is a DIY DH bike using a Santa Cruz Bullit swing arm. Theirs went to the seat tube and would more or less point at the single pivot point. Tunable slightly up or down. I had to cut out and reweld a section of seat tube to support the amount of force that It imparts.
Could you see where the vertical link finishes at the top (like the Specialized), or does it appear to go into the seat tube like the Yeti Sixfinity models? And did it look like it had an idler?
Is it just a slow week?
Must be the frustration from no Boxxer nor GX Transmission Release…
My LBS just told me they have GX Transmission Treks arriving tomorrow (but not build kits).
yes and no Vivid
More photos of the Vorsprung Shock
Or new slash
Those look a lot like fox compression valves on that vs proto shock. Obviously it's still in testing phase, and if he is using the dhx2 valves, it's out of convenience in order to dial in the architecture. Either way, I'm really interested in seeing what exactly Steve is trying to better/improve with his rear shock.
I'm stoked to try that thing out. I had a vorsprung tractive tuned super deluxe ultimate coil (that's a mouthful) on my v1 megatower that I just recently replaced with an 11/6. The 11/6 is better... by a very slim margin. Let's call it 3-5% better at over 300% of the cost of the tractive tuned super deluxe.
I spoke to Steve briefly about the shock when I was picking up some parts from him on a recent whistler trip. Sounded like it was 2024 release at the earliest. Either way, I'm hoping it slots in between the dhx 2 and the 11/6. If so, it would be the perfect setup at the right price.
I can confirm a read a comment reply from Vorsprung on IG that said available Q1 of 2024.
I’m definitely interested to try the shock. I really appreciate Steve’s attention to detail and all the information he produces on YouTube. But yes, what does he plan to do differently than what’s available on the market? I feel like they wouldn’t put out a shock unless it does something better than what’s available.
Sorry if this has already been posted but Deviate is racing a dual crown Claymore at WCDH
There is a pivot where a classic horst pivot would be, then seatstays that connect to a "rocker" and inbetween the seatstay pivot and the rocker to seattube attachment there is a wishbone a la demo/supreme. Definitely no idler. Red are pivots. Green shock attachment. blue rear axle
Kirk McDowell on a much more refined aurum(?) mule.
Most likely they don't have a DH bike for him yet, so they just rebranded the V10
Claymore mould with stronger layup and a different link to give more travel.
Given the general state of the market are Focus even going to make a DH bike?
Based on your picture, that's the same layout as the current Enduro, right? Should be interesting.
Vivid could be a few years. Remember how long ago they were testing the new Boxxer? It's been in the wild for at least two years, and the Vivid was JUST first seen a few months ago. I would say spring 2024 at the earliest.
Sram MTB has a new product launch on Tuesday, July 11th
Where have you gotten that from?
So rebound adjuster on top means it’s most likely a twin tube, interesting! I can’t wait to see what’s going on inside.
Saw the new vivid on a bike today at trailpark klínovec. The guy was an average joe too, so I'm guessing he must have gotten it from a bike factory or something. Means it should be close to release. Oh and I don't know if it's been said here or no, but it has adjustable HBO just like the coil super deluxe.
The next time July 12th falls on a Tuesday is in 2033...