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Onawalk 6/20/2023 12:14pm
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CapnBlueberry wrote:
Marzocchi hinting at a 38 style fork or a high end offering? Probably the former to rival the RS Domain if I had to guess.

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Marzocchi hinting at a 38 style fork or a high end offering? Probably the former to rival the RS Domain if I had to guess.

A pic was leaked a couple months back on PB Win it Wednesday, it was deleted pretty quickly.

 I posted it here as well.

I'm not sure how to find it again, maybe its on my account somewhere

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LookinForIt wrote:
what if... what if there's a speed sensor (like an e-bike) and this is used to automatically adjust the shock rate? At higher speeds, the shock...

what if... what if there's a speed sensor (like an e-bike) and this is used to automatically adjust the shock rate?

At higher speeds, the shock could self-adjust and provide different ride characteristics to low-speed riding.

Then, the buttons on the handlebars might be overrides?

kcy4130 wrote:

Probably just a speed sensor for data acquisition. 

The pictures of the bike without the data acquisition on it don't have that grey wire. Pull up shots of the old frame with the data system on it and you can see the wire going to a sensor in the rear brake mount adapter. 

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eavenkastgen 6/20/2023 12:47pm
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 Found a picture of Sam Hill's Big Bike on Instagram with SRAM Black Box Trigger.

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Sonofbovril2 6/20/2023 12:58pm
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carlinojoevideo wrote:
 

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Random Curious question: is the saint chainring narrow wide? I would imagine not seeing as it was designed before 1x and hasn’t been updated since…

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Onawalk 6/20/2023 1:11pm
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CapnBlueberry wrote:
Marzocchi hinting at a 38 style fork or a high end offering? Probably the former to rival the RS Domain if I had to guess.

IMG 5196.jpeg?VersionId=HLw3SYHDEQ65r2WzS

Marzocchi hinting at a 38 style fork or a high end offering? Probably the former to rival the RS Domain if I had to guess.

Onawalk wrote:
A pic was leaked a couple months back on PB Win it Wednesday, it was deleted pretty quickly.  I posted it here as well. I'm not...

A pic was leaked a couple months back on PB Win it Wednesday, it was deleted pretty quickly.

 I posted it here as well.

I'm not sure how to find it again, maybe its on my account somewhere

Found it

Marzo.jpg?VersionId=gEsO

 

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Primoz 6/20/2023 1:27pm
6/20/2023 1:27pm Edited Date/Time 6/20/2023 1:27pm
eavenkastgen wrote:
 Found a picture of Sam Hill's Big Bike on Instagram with SRAM Black Box Trigger.

Screenshot 20230620-213022

 Found a picture of Sam Hill's Big Bike on Instagram with SRAM Black Box Trigger.

Nothing special in that one, I think a lot of the Sram pros run Blackbox shifters.

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carlinojoevideo wrote:
 

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Sonofbovril2 wrote:

Random Curious question: is the saint chainring narrow wide? I would imagine not seeing as it was designed before 1x and hasn’t been updated since…

Zee is not n/w, idk about Saint. The clutches on those derailleurs are quite strong out of the box though... 

bulletbass man 6/20/2023 6:15pm
6/20/2023 6:15pm

Plenty of aftermarket chainring options regardless

SteveClimber 6/20/2023 6:56pm
6/20/2023 6:56pm
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Now that the Pivot prototype's been out in the open for a bit, I decided to review the available shots/footage of the Spesh prototype and I...

Now that the Pivot prototype's been out in the open for a bit, I decided to review the available shots/footage of the Spesh prototype and I am almost certain there's no concentric link to the BB. There's just no clearance from what I can see, and having tried all sorts of weird link configurations in Linkage (including a six-bar one that essentially acted like the old Demo with a completely forward axle path) it just doesn't make sense in any layout. What does make sense to me is those three bolts indicating a modular BB, which I believe @paddydigital suggested a while back, and the room between the bash guard and chainstay suggests a 'pull'-style linkage similar to the Supreme DH V4 (which is backed up by some shots of the prototype last year with a clear pivot visible in the fabric cover). 

I made a couple changes to my model in Linkage to update it accordingly; mainly it just seems to have a more rising rate than the previous generation (and overall progression can vary wildly but we can't see anything so I went with a slightly more moderate amount).

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Pull linkages can produe the "best" levarage curves, beautiful S shaped high progression for off the top to mid stroke support to high progression for bottom out.

In the wrong hands they are terrible, ala Focus' disgusting leverage curves that we wont talk about.

Considering how closesly they work with Ohlins, if i wouldn't be suprised if they suggested a pull link style, it's lovely to work with.

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TheShortestCharles 6/20/2023 7:13pm
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SteveClimber wrote:
Pull linkages can produe the "best" levarage curves, beautiful S shaped high progression for off the top to mid stroke support to high progression for bottom...

Pull linkages can produe the "best" levarage curves, beautiful S shaped high progression for off the top to mid stroke support to high progression for bottom out.

In the wrong hands they are terrible, ala Focus' disgusting leverage curves that we wont talk about.

Considering how closesly they work with Ohlins, if i wouldn't be suprised if they suggested a pull link style, it's lovely to work with.

The newer ones or the old sort? I'm actually quite a fan of the new ones; at least in theory this seems very promising (at least in terms of shape).

Focus Jam2 2022 LevRatio

 

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Primoz wrote:
Yup, a photo has been shown and it has been mentioned that it should already have been released. There's apparently a delay and supposedly it's holding...

Yup, a photo has been shown and it has been mentioned that it should already have been released. There's apparently a delay and supposedly it's holding up releases of new bikes as well. 

Maybe the delay is due to chain supply issues.... Wink

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Primoz wrote:
Yup, a photo has been shown and it has been mentioned that it should already have been released. There's apparently a delay and supposedly it's holding...

Yup, a photo has been shown and it has been mentioned that it should already have been released. There's apparently a delay and supposedly it's holding up releases of new bikes as well. 

tavaenga wrote:
Maybe the delay is due to chain supply issues....

Maybe the delay is due to chain supply issues.... Wink

Makes sense for a company like sram, they like to release product when is ready and in the shelves... Unlike the other big S​​​

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Sworks Kenevo SL with the updated motor (1.2), carbon SRAM cranks, and what appears to be a UDH are up on a few european sites for purchase (I'd guess a few retailers didn't get the memo on a delayed launch?). No frame changes by the look of it, so I didn't think a screenshot was warranted for this thread (especially because it's an ebike, give us the new demo pls). 

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Yoda wrote:
Sworks Kenevo SL with the updated motor (1.2), carbon SRAM cranks, and what appears to be a UDH are up on a few european sites for...

Sworks Kenevo SL with the updated motor (1.2), carbon SRAM cranks, and what appears to be a UDH are up on a few european sites for purchase (I'd guess a few retailers didn't get the memo on a delayed launch?). No frame changes by the look of it, so I didn't think a screenshot was warranted for this thread (especially because it's an ebike, give us the new demo pls). 

As for the new demo, I think it shouldn't be long now until it's released. Not sure if this has been covered but when the UCI grants a prototype authorization, they require the product to be commercialized within "12 months of first use in competition" (UCI ARTICLE 1.3.006). I believe the first use of the new demo in competition was in Finn Illes in Lenzerheide on July 9, 2022. Although I'm unsure if there's loopholes to this rule or if it's not applicable to DH since it seems that the Pivot prototype is much further than 12 months out.

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dolface 6/21/2023 9:52am
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Yoda wrote:
Sworks Kenevo SL with the updated motor (1.2), carbon SRAM cranks, and what appears to be a UDH are up on a few european sites for...

Sworks Kenevo SL with the updated motor (1.2), carbon SRAM cranks, and what appears to be a UDH are up on a few european sites for purchase (I'd guess a few retailers didn't get the memo on a delayed launch?). No frame changes by the look of it, so I didn't think a screenshot was warranted for this thread (especially because it's an ebike, give us the new demo pls). 

mspenc wrote:
As for the new demo, I think it shouldn't be long now until it's released. Not sure if this has been covered but when the UCI...

As for the new demo, I think it shouldn't be long now until it's released. Not sure if this has been covered but when the UCI grants a prototype authorization, they require the product to be commercialized within "12 months of first use in competition" (UCI ARTICLE 1.3.006). I believe the first use of the new demo in competition was in Finn Illes in Lenzerheide on July 9, 2022. Although I'm unsure if there's loopholes to this rule or if it's not applicable to DH since it seems that the Pivot prototype is much further than 12 months out.

IIRC there was some discussion a while back about 1. the UCI not enforcing the commercialization rule and 2. there being a loophole where small changes to the frame restart the clock on commercialization.

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Yoda wrote:
Sworks Kenevo SL with the updated motor (1.2), carbon SRAM cranks, and what appears to be a UDH are up on a few european sites for...

Sworks Kenevo SL with the updated motor (1.2), carbon SRAM cranks, and what appears to be a UDH are up on a few european sites for purchase (I'd guess a few retailers didn't get the memo on a delayed launch?). No frame changes by the look of it, so I didn't think a screenshot was warranted for this thread (especially because it's an ebike, give us the new demo pls). 

mspenc wrote:
As for the new demo, I think it shouldn't be long now until it's released. Not sure if this has been covered but when the UCI...

As for the new demo, I think it shouldn't be long now until it's released. Not sure if this has been covered but when the UCI grants a prototype authorization, they require the product to be commercialized within "12 months of first use in competition" (UCI ARTICLE 1.3.006). I believe the first use of the new demo in competition was in Finn Illes in Lenzerheide on July 9, 2022. Although I'm unsure if there's loopholes to this rule or if it's not applicable to DH since it seems that the Pivot prototype is much further than 12 months out.

dolface wrote:
IIRC there was some discussion a while back about 1. the UCI not enforcing the commercialization rule and 2. there being a loophole where small changes...

IIRC there was some discussion a while back about 1. the UCI not enforcing the commercialization rule and 2. there being a loophole where small changes to the frame restart the clock on commercialization.

Interesting, the same rule states "The manufacturer may request a single prolongation of the prototype status if justified by relevant reasons", so they could potentially extend their commercialization status further (not sure if the prolongation is a whole year though). 

Classic UCI though for being terrible with which rules they choose to enforce. Although I did read part of the reason SR Suntour "released" their new electronic suspension today was because of the same rules. It appears the first time Pidcock used it in a UCI competition was at Albstadt 2022 - May 8. So maybe the UCI gave them a 60 day prolongation from 12mo. It does partly explain why there was such a soft launch for it with a crazy price tag. 

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Yoda wrote:
Sworks Kenevo SL with the updated motor (1.2), carbon SRAM cranks, and what appears to be a UDH are up on a few european sites for...

Sworks Kenevo SL with the updated motor (1.2), carbon SRAM cranks, and what appears to be a UDH are up on a few european sites for purchase (I'd guess a few retailers didn't get the memo on a delayed launch?). No frame changes by the look of it, so I didn't think a screenshot was warranted for this thread (especially because it's an ebike, give us the new demo pls). 

screenshot?

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MucBiker wrote:
 

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so they‘re really switching to mineral oil… bet those new bleed kits will cost a premium also.

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MucBiker wrote:
 

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krabo83 wrote:

so they‘re really switching to mineral oil… bet those new bleed kits will cost a premium also.

That syringe is from a jagwire pro bleed kit. 10/10 product, makes bleeding maguras not only possible but easy.

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MucBiker wrote:
 

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krabo83 wrote:

so they‘re really switching to mineral oil… bet those new bleed kits will cost a premium also.

all you need, really: https://shorturl.at/vDRW5

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TimBud 6/21/2023 11:33am
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Yoda wrote:
Sworks Kenevo SL with the updated motor (1.2), carbon SRAM cranks, and what appears to be a UDH are up on a few european sites for...

Sworks Kenevo SL with the updated motor (1.2), carbon SRAM cranks, and what appears to be a UDH are up on a few european sites for purchase (I'd guess a few retailers didn't get the memo on a delayed launch?). No frame changes by the look of it, so I didn't think a screenshot was warranted for this thread (especially because it's an ebike, give us the new demo pls). 

Kenevo SL is already UDH. The new one is "just" spec and colour changes (and the new motor of course, which is a SRAM DUB standard... not sure why that's marketed as a selling pint though)

iceman2058 6/21/2023 11:44am
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I'm currently working on the day 1 gallery from Eurobike, but if you want to check out some of the stuff in video form, here's a 12-minute tour from Frankfurt today!

 

 

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MucBiker wrote:
 

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Insert "no god no" meme... Rode a set of DB8s about a week ago. Feels like Shimano, has no power. Starting to wonder if the no modulation feel of the brakes might be connected to the use of mineral oil (a set of Maguras I also had the chance to try felt fairly similar).

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MucBiker wrote:
 

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got-DAMN that is gorgeous! Shocked

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