Now that the Pivot prototype's been out in the open for a bit, I decided to review the available shots/footage of the Spesh prototype and I...
Now that the Pivot prototype's been out in the open for a bit, I decided to review the available shots/footage of the Spesh prototype and I am almost certain there's no concentric link to the BB. There's just no clearance from what I can see, and having tried all sorts of weird link configurations in Linkage (including a six-bar one that essentially acted like the old Demo with a completely forward axle path) it just doesn't make sense in any layout. What does make sense to me is those three bolts indicating a modular BB, which I believe @paddydigital suggested a while back, and the room between the bash guard and chainstay suggests a 'pull'-style linkage similar to the Supreme DH V4 (which is backed up by some shots of the prototype last year with a clear pivot visible in the fabric cover).
I made a couple changes to my model in Linkage to update it accordingly; mainly it just seems to have a more rising rate than the previous generation (and overall progression can vary wildly but we can't see anything so I went with a slightly more moderate amount).
Pull linkages can produe the "best" levarage curves, beautiful S shaped high progression for off the top to mid stroke support to high progression for bottom out.
In the wrong hands they are terrible, ala Focus' disgusting leverage curves that we wont talk about.
Considering how closesly they work with Ohlins, if i wouldn't be suprised if they suggested a pull link style, it's lovely to work with.
Pull linkages can produe the "best" levarage curves, beautiful S shaped high progression for off the top to mid stroke support to high progression for bottom...
Pull linkages can produe the "best" levarage curves, beautiful S shaped high progression for off the top to mid stroke support to high progression for bottom out.
In the wrong hands they are terrible, ala Focus' disgusting leverage curves that we wont talk about.
Considering how closesly they work with Ohlins, if i wouldn't be suprised if they suggested a pull link style, it's lovely to work with.
The newer ones or the old sort? I'm actually quite a fan of the new ones; at least in theory this seems very promising (at least in terms of shape).
Yup, a photo has been shown and it has been mentioned that it should already have been released. There's apparently a delay and supposedly it's holding...
Yup, a photo has been shown and it has been mentioned that it should already have been released. There's apparently a delay and supposedly it's holding up releases of new bikes as well.
Yup, a photo has been shown and it has been mentioned that it should already have been released. There's apparently a delay and supposedly it's holding...
Yup, a photo has been shown and it has been mentioned that it should already have been released. There's apparently a delay and supposedly it's holding up releases of new bikes as well.
Sworks Kenevo SL with the updated motor (1.2), carbon SRAM cranks, and what appears to be a UDH are up on a few european sites for purchase (I'd guess a few retailers didn't get the memo on a delayed launch?). No frame changes by the look of it, so I didn't think a screenshot was warranted for this thread (especially because it's an ebike, give us the new demo pls).
Sworks Kenevo SL with the updated motor (1.2), carbon SRAM cranks, and what appears to be a UDH are up on a few european sites for...
Sworks Kenevo SL with the updated motor (1.2), carbon SRAM cranks, and what appears to be a UDH are up on a few european sites for purchase (I'd guess a few retailers didn't get the memo on a delayed launch?). No frame changes by the look of it, so I didn't think a screenshot was warranted for this thread (especially because it's an ebike, give us the new demo pls).
As for the new demo, I think it shouldn't be long now until it's released. Not sure if this has been covered but when the UCI grants a prototype authorization, they require the product to be commercialized within "12 months of first use in competition" (UCI ARTICLE 1.3.006). I believe the first use of the new demo in competition was in Finn Illes in Lenzerheide on July 9, 2022. Although I'm unsure if there's loopholes to this rule or if it's not applicable to DH since it seems that the Pivot prototype is much further than 12 months out.
Sworks Kenevo SL with the updated motor (1.2), carbon SRAM cranks, and what appears to be a UDH are up on a few european sites for...
Sworks Kenevo SL with the updated motor (1.2), carbon SRAM cranks, and what appears to be a UDH are up on a few european sites for purchase (I'd guess a few retailers didn't get the memo on a delayed launch?). No frame changes by the look of it, so I didn't think a screenshot was warranted for this thread (especially because it's an ebike, give us the new demo pls).
As for the new demo, I think it shouldn't be long now until it's released. Not sure if this has been covered but when the UCI...
As for the new demo, I think it shouldn't be long now until it's released. Not sure if this has been covered but when the UCI grants a prototype authorization, they require the product to be commercialized within "12 months of first use in competition" (UCI ARTICLE 1.3.006). I believe the first use of the new demo in competition was in Finn Illes in Lenzerheide on July 9, 2022. Although I'm unsure if there's loopholes to this rule or if it's not applicable to DH since it seems that the Pivot prototype is much further than 12 months out.
IIRC there was some discussion a while back about 1. the UCI not enforcing the commercialization rule and 2. there being a loophole where small changes to the frame restart the clock on commercialization.
Sworks Kenevo SL with the updated motor (1.2), carbon SRAM cranks, and what appears to be a UDH are up on a few european sites for...
Sworks Kenevo SL with the updated motor (1.2), carbon SRAM cranks, and what appears to be a UDH are up on a few european sites for purchase (I'd guess a few retailers didn't get the memo on a delayed launch?). No frame changes by the look of it, so I didn't think a screenshot was warranted for this thread (especially because it's an ebike, give us the new demo pls).
As for the new demo, I think it shouldn't be long now until it's released. Not sure if this has been covered but when the UCI...
As for the new demo, I think it shouldn't be long now until it's released. Not sure if this has been covered but when the UCI grants a prototype authorization, they require the product to be commercialized within "12 months of first use in competition" (UCI ARTICLE 1.3.006). I believe the first use of the new demo in competition was in Finn Illes in Lenzerheide on July 9, 2022. Although I'm unsure if there's loopholes to this rule or if it's not applicable to DH since it seems that the Pivot prototype is much further than 12 months out.
IIRC there was some discussion a while back about 1. the UCI not enforcing the commercialization rule and 2. there being a loophole where small changes...
IIRC there was some discussion a while back about 1. the UCI not enforcing the commercialization rule and 2. there being a loophole where small changes to the frame restart the clock on commercialization.
Interesting, the same rule states "The manufacturer may request a single prolongation of the prototype status if justified by relevant reasons", so they could potentially extend their commercialization status further (not sure if the prolongation is a whole year though).
Classic UCI though for being terrible with which rules they choose to enforce. Although I did read part of the reason SR Suntour "released" their new electronic suspension today was because of the same rules. It appears the first time Pidcock used it in a UCI competition was at Albstadt 2022 - May 8. So maybe the UCI gave them a 60 day prolongation from 12mo. It does partly explain why there was such a soft launch for it with a crazy price tag.
Sworks Kenevo SL with the updated motor (1.2), carbon SRAM cranks, and what appears to be a UDH are up on a few european sites for...
Sworks Kenevo SL with the updated motor (1.2), carbon SRAM cranks, and what appears to be a UDH are up on a few european sites for purchase (I'd guess a few retailers didn't get the memo on a delayed launch?). No frame changes by the look of it, so I didn't think a screenshot was warranted for this thread (especially because it's an ebike, give us the new demo pls).
Sworks Kenevo SL with the updated motor (1.2), carbon SRAM cranks, and what appears to be a UDH are up on a few european sites for...
Sworks Kenevo SL with the updated motor (1.2), carbon SRAM cranks, and what appears to be a UDH are up on a few european sites for purchase (I'd guess a few retailers didn't get the memo on a delayed launch?). No frame changes by the look of it, so I didn't think a screenshot was warranted for this thread (especially because it's an ebike, give us the new demo pls).
Kenevo SL is already UDH. The new one is "just" spec and colour changes (and the new motor of course, which is a SRAM DUB standard... not sure why that's marketed as a selling pint though)
I'm currently working on the day 1 gallery from Eurobike, but if you want to check out some of the stuff in video form, here's a 12-minute tour from Frankfurt today!
Insert "no god no" meme... Rode a set of DB8s about a week ago. Feels like Shimano, has no power. Starting to wonder if the no modulation feel of the brakes might be connected to the use of mineral oil (a set of Maguras I also had the chance to try felt fairly similar).
I've had the Myotragus page bookmarked for a while (raw aluminum, gearbox, interesting suspension layout - what's not to love?); it's nice to see them get some more attention
atleast the rear center looks reasonably long'ish.
I would not be surprised if head angles are around 60 deg in a few years, remembering that 63 deg seemed absurd a few years back, now there are 130mm trail bikes with this much rake.
atleast the rear center looks reasonably long'ish.
I would not be surprised if head angles are around 60 deg in a few years, remembering that 63...
atleast the rear center looks reasonably long'ish.
I would not be surprised if head angles are around 60 deg in a few years, remembering that 63 deg seemed absurd a few years back, now there are 130mm trail bikes with this much rake.
Am I remembering wrong, or did Chris Porter say that the current crop of single crown forks start to massively lose performance once you go sub 60 degrees? Hopefully we start to see light, 160-180 dual crown forks from the big players.
atleast the rear center looks reasonably long'ish.
I would not be surprised if head angles are around 60 deg in a few years, remembering that 63...
atleast the rear center looks reasonably long'ish.
I would not be surprised if head angles are around 60 deg in a few years, remembering that 63 deg seemed absurd a few years back, now there are 130mm trail bikes with this much rake.
Am I remembering wrong, or did Chris Porter say that the current crop of single crown forks start to massively lose performance once you go sub...
Am I remembering wrong, or did Chris Porter say that the current crop of single crown forks start to massively lose performance once you go sub 60 degrees? Hopefully we start to see light, 160-180 dual crown forks from the big players.
Dual crowns won't lower the loads on the bushings, thus won't help the binding much. The benefit is the small difference in the crown twisting which otherwise slacks off the effective stanchion angle.
Going really slack the best solution would be either roller bearings (Lefty style...) or a linkage fork.
Plenty of aftermarket chainring options regardless
Pull linkages can produe the "best" levarage curves, beautiful S shaped high progression for off the top to mid stroke support to high progression for bottom out.
In the wrong hands they are terrible, ala Focus' disgusting leverage curves that we wont talk about.
Considering how closesly they work with Ohlins, if i wouldn't be suprised if they suggested a pull link style, it's lovely to work with.
The newer ones or the old sort? I'm actually quite a fan of the new ones; at least in theory this seems very promising (at least in terms of shape).
Maybe the delay is due to chain supply issues....
https://enduro-mtb.com/en/new-schwalbe-tacky-chan-tire-first-ride-revie…
So, a drier conditions tire, very reminiscent of maxxis lug style and rounded profile, designed around 30mm rims and more "groomed" type of trails?
Makes sense for a company like sram, they like to release product when is ready and in the shelves... Unlike the other big S
Sworks Kenevo SL with the updated motor (1.2), carbon SRAM cranks, and what appears to be a UDH are up on a few european sites for purchase (I'd guess a few retailers didn't get the memo on a delayed launch?). No frame changes by the look of it, so I didn't think a screenshot was warranted for this thread (especially because it's an ebike, give us the new demo pls).
Nsmb were given another scoop. Just a wireless dropper.
https://nsmb.com/articles/bikeyoke-teases-wireless-dropper/
As for the new demo, I think it shouldn't be long now until it's released. Not sure if this has been covered but when the UCI grants a prototype authorization, they require the product to be commercialized within "12 months of first use in competition" (UCI ARTICLE 1.3.006). I believe the first use of the new demo in competition was in Finn Illes in Lenzerheide on July 9, 2022. Although I'm unsure if there's loopholes to this rule or if it's not applicable to DH since it seems that the Pivot prototype is much further than 12 months out.
IIRC there was some discussion a while back about 1. the UCI not enforcing the commercialization rule and 2. there being a loophole where small changes to the frame restart the clock on commercialization.
Interesting, the same rule states "The manufacturer may request a single prolongation of the prototype status if justified by relevant reasons", so they could potentially extend their commercialization status further (not sure if the prolongation is a whole year though).
Classic UCI though for being terrible with which rules they choose to enforce. Although I did read part of the reason SR Suntour "released" their new electronic suspension today was because of the same rules. It appears the first time Pidcock used it in a UCI competition was at Albstadt 2022 - May 8. So maybe the UCI gave them a 60 day prolongation from 12mo. It does partly explain why there was such a soft launch for it with a crazy price tag.
screenshot?
so they‘re really switching to mineral oil… bet those new bleed kits will cost a premium also.
That syringe is from a jagwire pro bleed kit. 10/10 product, makes bleeding maguras not only possible but easy.
all you need, really: https://shorturl.at/vDRW5
Kenevo SL is already UDH. The new one is "just" spec and colour changes (and the new motor of course, which is a SRAM DUB standard... not sure why that's marketed as a selling pint though)
I'm currently working on the day 1 gallery from Eurobike, but if you want to check out some of the stuff in video form, here's a 12-minute tour from Frankfurt today!
Insert "no god no" meme... Rode a set of DB8s about a week ago. Feels like Shimano, has no power. Starting to wonder if the no modulation feel of the brakes might be connected to the use of mineral oil (a set of Maguras I also had the chance to try felt fairly similar).
https://r2-bike.com/SRAM-Pro-Bleed-Kit-for-Mineral-oil-incl-120-ml-Maxi…
got-DAMN that is gorgeous!
eurobike day 1 gallery
https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/eurobike-2023-day-1/eurobike-2…
57 degree HA. no biggie
Real life Grim Donut (I've never been on pinkbike, i swear)
I've had the Myotragus page bookmarked for a while (raw aluminum, gearbox, interesting suspension layout - what's not to love?); it's nice to see them get some more attention
atleast the rear center looks reasonably long'ish.
I would not be surprised if head angles are around 60 deg in a few years, remembering that 63 deg seemed absurd a few years back, now there are 130mm trail bikes with this much rake.
Am I remembering wrong, or did Chris Porter say that the current crop of single crown forks start to massively lose performance once you go sub 60 degrees? Hopefully we start to see light, 160-180 dual crown forks from the big players.
Since when has bleeding Maguras not been easy?!
Dual crowns won't lower the loads on the bushings, thus won't help the binding much. The benefit is the small difference in the crown twisting which otherwise slacks off the effective stanchion angle.
Going really slack the best solution would be either roller bearings (Lefty style...) or a linkage fork.
damn!!!! 90€ for a bleedkit (137€ MSRP!!)
i‘m also not a fan of shimano feeling wise and prefer my code rsc‘s.
interested to see the upcoming reviews on the new sram brakes.