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5/29/2023 12:27am

Chainstay to lower link junction looks different than the current alu Summum. It looks like the lower link is mounted higher.

5/29/2023 12:28am
Primoz wrote:

That's what he said, but Seth showed that it doesn't actually work. The general consensus is that Jesse just covered his tracks. 

Seth wasn’t willing to drill a hole in his seat was he?
It’s a normal AXS dropper, normal battery. Different seat clamps to get the right angle and then the plastic drilled out to allow the seat to get to that angle. 

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5/29/2023 3:26am

Chainstay to lower link junction looks different than the current alu Summum. It looks like the lower link is mounted higher.

Although BullDog mentioned in a podcast they have a new Bike ready, as the previous iteration didn’t meet the riders expectations. Therefore happy for the team that they have soonish a new rig to be competitive. 

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5/29/2023 9:44pm

Anyone heard something about the release of the new Boxxer and Vivid?

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5/29/2023 11:56pm
CWizzle720 wrote:
Does anyone know anything about a planned release date for the new Rockshox Boxxer? teams seem to have been running it for quite a while now...

Does anyone know anything about a planned release date for the new Rockshox Boxxer? teams seem to have been running it for quite a while now must be close to being released?

Probably at the WC in Lenzerheide in early June. Rumors are that they are going to do it like SRAM did with the Transmission, releasing it...

Probably at the WC in Lenzerheide in early June. Rumors are that they are going to do it like SRAM did with the Transmission, releasing it at the first big XC Event of the season.

Have a look some pages back

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5/30/2023 8:11am
Primoz wrote:

That's what he said, but Seth showed that it doesn't actually work. The general consensus is that Jesse just covered his tracks. 

Seth wasn’t willing to drill a hole in his seat was he? It’s a normal AXS dropper, normal battery. Different seat clamps to get the right...

Seth wasn’t willing to drill a hole in his seat was he?
It’s a normal AXS dropper, normal battery. Different seat clamps to get the right angle and then the plastic drilled out to allow the seat to get to that angle. 

I think most of the followers of this topic would prefer it to not be this way :/

Speaking of you...

Mind sharing how tall you are? Just to get a feel for how much reach you run vs. size. Also, regarding the rims, no issues with the shape of the tyre running a somewhat narrow rim (considering the WT casing was designed for ~30 mm rims...)?

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5/30/2023 8:15am
Primoz wrote:

That's what he said, but Seth showed that it doesn't actually work. The general consensus is that Jesse just covered his tracks. 

Seth wasn’t willing to drill a hole in his seat was he? It’s a normal AXS dropper, normal battery. Different seat clamps to get the right...

Seth wasn’t willing to drill a hole in his seat was he?
It’s a normal AXS dropper, normal battery. Different seat clamps to get the right angle and then the plastic drilled out to allow the seat to get to that angle. 

Primoz wrote:
I think most of the followers of this topic would prefer it to not be this way :/ Speaking of you... Mind sharing how tall you...

I think most of the followers of this topic would prefer it to not be this way :/

Speaking of you...

Mind sharing how tall you are? Just to get a feel for how much reach you run vs. size. Also, regarding the rims, no issues with the shape of the tyre running a somewhat narrow rim (considering the WT casing was designed for ~30 mm rims...)?

EX511s are 30 internal. Unless the thumbnail isn’t accurate and he actually runs 471s, didn’t watch the video

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5/30/2023 9:25am
Primoz wrote:
I think most of the followers of this topic would prefer it to not be this way :/ Speaking of you... Mind sharing how tall you...

I think most of the followers of this topic would prefer it to not be this way :/

Speaking of you...

Mind sharing how tall you are? Just to get a feel for how much reach you run vs. size. Also, regarding the rims, no issues with the shape of the tyre running a somewhat narrow rim (considering the WT casing was designed for ~30 mm rims...)?

I'm pretty sure I'm 167cm tall. 

Not really! I was worried to run the 2.5 on the front but I didn't notice any issues, and because I run DHR2 on the rear I am able to run a 2.4 if I'm running the 471 in the rear. Honestly, I still haven't found my perfect wheel setup/choice yet. Still testing, still learning. 

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5/30/2023 9:44am

Able to run a 2.4 DHR? I was under the impression the DHR II only comes in a 2.4 (WT) variant Tongue

5/30/2023 9:45am

I came from 2.4 Maxxis on 33mm inner width rims, to 2.4 Maxxis on 23mm rims. Almost no issues regarding traction and the tire’s shape. Bu did notice the real reason for the rim change (actually complete wheels’ change) - some 750-760g down on weight! Smile

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5/30/2023 1:22pm
Dakota mentioned that he thinks he’s losing time in pedal sections on a heavy bike no matter how hard he is pushing.  He said this bike...

Dakota mentioned that he thinks he’s losing time in pedal sections on a heavy bike no matter how hard he is pushing.  He said this bike, they are trying to make more well rounded.

It’s a good podcast that talks a lot about the new bike.

Did he actually measure if and how much time he was losing on the pedal sections? And how would they determine its because of the extra weight? These things can be measured in a number of different ways without much difficulty these days......

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5/30/2023 1:48pm
TannerVal wrote:
EX511s are 30 internal. Unless the thumbnail isn’t accurate and he actually runs 471s, didn’t watch the video

EX511s are 30 internal. Unless the thumbnail isn’t accurate and he actually runs 471s, didn’t watch the video

In the video the bike has EX471s

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5/30/2023 1:49pm
Primoz wrote:

Able to run a 2.4 DHR? I was under the impression the DHR II only comes in a 2.4 (WT) variant Tongue

There's a 2.3 as well, a 2.4 and a lot of the Maxxis pros have access to the 2.5" pro only version

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5/30/2023 2:13pm

That last part is what I was aiming at, obviously Tongue

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5/30/2023 2:16pm
Konda wrote:
 New schwalbe on Danny Hart's insta

Screenshot 20230528-080837~2

 New schwalbe on Danny Hart's insta

Looks looks like a fast mix between Assegai and DHF. Could be a goldilocks.  Praying for a super soft / super trail

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5/30/2023 3:17pm
sspomer wrote:
via email blast, formula MOD shocks now in DH sizes w/o lockout (not ground-breaking, but figured some here may want to see) https://www.rideformula.com/products/mtb-shocks/mod-dh/

via email blast, formula MOD shocks now in DH sizes w/o lockout (not ground-breaking, but figured some here may want to see)

https://www.rideformula.com/products/mtb-shocks/mod-dh/

But will they ever release that dual crown Selva?

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5/30/2023 4:33pm
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via email blast, formula MOD shocks now in DH sizes w/o lockout (not ground-breaking, but figured some here may want to see) https://www.rideformula.com/products/mtb-shocks/mod-dh/

via email blast, formula MOD shocks now in DH sizes w/o lockout (not ground-breaking, but figured some here may want to see)

https://www.rideformula.com/products/mtb-shocks/mod-dh/

Losifer wrote:

But will they ever release that dual crown Selva?

Amen. I was really hyped when I saw that Formula was working on that dual crown selva. Dual crowns for enduro make so much sense, but I'm pretty sure there's only one option on the market right now, which is the MRP Bartlett.

On the off chance that somebody from Formula is just lurking on this forum, please show the enduro dual crown some love! It's been over a year since the projected release date...

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5/30/2023 8:47pm
Singletrack may have just accidentally leaked a new DVO "Topaz X" with added LSC/HSC adjustment in their latest Topaz Gen 3 review: ​​​​​​ Did a little...

Singletrack may have just accidentally leaked a new DVO "Topaz X" with added LSC/HSC adjustment in their latest Topaz Gen 3 review:

​​​​​​Screenshot 20230519 222844 Chrome.jpg?VersionId=wrfU3KUE6KMFJlZP.RKbGkKcK6

Did a little searching and here's a pic from Bikerumor (at Sedona last year) of a prototype DVO shock with the dual compression adjustment knob from the Jade coil shock:

Screenshot 20230519 223513 Chrome.jpg?VersionId=QQ

 

DVO's page for the Jade X Coil mentions an "X series" so I assume it's just a matter of time:

Screenshot 2023-05-30 204457 1

 

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5/30/2023 11:26pm
Singletrack may have just accidentally leaked a new DVO "Topaz X" with added LSC/HSC adjustment in their latest Topaz Gen 3 review: ​​​​​​ Did a little...

Singletrack may have just accidentally leaked a new DVO "Topaz X" with added LSC/HSC adjustment in their latest Topaz Gen 3 review:

​​​​​​Screenshot 20230519 222844 Chrome.jpg?VersionId=wrfU3KUE6KMFJlZP.RKbGkKcK6

Did a little searching and here's a pic from Bikerumor (at Sedona last year) of a prototype DVO shock with the dual compression adjustment knob from the Jade coil shock:

Screenshot 20230519 223513 Chrome.jpg?VersionId=QQ

 

DVO's page for the Jade X Coil mentions an "X series" so I assume it's just a matter of time:    

DVO's page for the Jade X Coil mentions an "X series" so I assume it's just a matter of time:

Screenshot 2023-05-30 204457 1

 

So as far as dvo dampers go, X Gona give it to ya. 

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5/31/2023 1:47pm

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 Just some nice details to look at. The built in fork bumper is pretty trick.

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5/31/2023 1:50pm

It’s not a secret spyshot, but I think this interesting beast wasn’t mentioned yet.IMG 5488.jpeg?VersionId= 4mrqYmuNS kG4tSrs2JKFHwV7VjWvb

 

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5/31/2023 1:52pm

Another shot from the linkage:IMG 5490.jpeg?VersionId=Ngnvg imQJwj7qdYZLP

 

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5/31/2023 2:30pm

That's really giving me Sinister Splinter vibes.... Is it a FTW proto?

 

p3pb11514034

 

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5/31/2023 2:46pm
THFL wrote:
Another shot from the linkage:  

Another shot from the linkage:IMG 5490.jpeg?VersionId=Ngnvg imQJwj7qdYZLP

 

Does that thing have a gearbox AND a derailleur? Woohoo

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5/31/2023 2:59pm
THFL wrote:
Another shot from the linkage:  

Another shot from the linkage:IMG 5490.jpeg?VersionId=Ngnvg imQJwj7qdYZLP

 

dolface wrote:
Does that thing have a gearbox AND a derailleur? 

Does that thing have a gearbox AND a derailleur? Woohoo

Looks like it. But I think it could be there to be a tensioner.

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5/31/2023 6:35pm Edited Date/Time 5/31/2023 6:40pm
metadave wrote:
That's really giving me Sinister Splinter vibes.... Is it a FTW proto?    

That's really giving me Sinister Splinter vibes.... Is it a FTW proto?

 

p3pb11514034

 

Slightly off-topic but I remember happening upon some old MTBR/Ridemonkey threads referencing a "5-bar" Passion model from Sinister that apparently had a variable axle path (they called it Variable Suspension Technology). From what I can gather it depended on the chainstay physically contacted a bumper that engaged the shock linkage, but a different thread with Frank the Welder explaining it more in depth no longer exists. Sounds absolutely crazy but I don't think it ever went to market; it'd be pretty sweet to see someone mess around with that today.

sinister-passion

 

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5/31/2023 7:18pm
metadave wrote:
That's really giving me Sinister Splinter vibes.... Is it a FTW proto?    

That's really giving me Sinister Splinter vibes.... Is it a FTW proto?

 

p3pb11514034

 

Slightly off-topic but I remember happening upon some old MTBR/Ridemonkey threads referencing a "5-bar" Passion model from Sinister that apparently had a variable axle path (they...

Slightly off-topic but I remember happening upon some old MTBR/Ridemonkey threads referencing a "5-bar" Passion model from Sinister that apparently had a variable axle path (they called it Variable Suspension Technology). From what I can gather it depended on the chainstay physically contacted a bumper that engaged the shock linkage, but a different thread with Frank the Welder explaining it more in depth no longer exists. Sounds absolutely crazy but I don't think it ever went to market; it'd be pretty sweet to see someone mess around with that today.

sinister-passion

 

I actually hit up Frank about a year ago about making a modern bike with that suspension design. It sounded like after years and years of getting the patents he got burnt on the deal and his name was left off. (Maybe not all correct info, just what I gathered).

I really like the idea of the design because it will take small hits with a vertical wheel path and big hits it will move the axle path reward. apparently many manufacturers tested his design and praised it. Like above, not sure why it got shut down…

Heres some other photos that I have saved from FTW’s VST

B4599EF4-1154-4BD2-8440-D95D619E9934.jpeg?VersionId=UNwdSqXIIkU0hWeTeYeFfO XHajvf2K

 D82A658B-FB7C-41AC-ACC2-729868CC6509

 C852445F-BD8E-48D8-88FA-B175CFCEEC45

 B72F8E18-7C79-48BF-83A4-77E52571B7D5

 

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5/31/2023 7:56pm
metadave wrote:
That's really giving me Sinister Splinter vibes.... Is it a FTW proto?    

That's really giving me Sinister Splinter vibes.... Is it a FTW proto?

 

p3pb11514034

 

Slightly off-topic but I remember happening upon some old MTBR/Ridemonkey threads referencing a "5-bar" Passion model from Sinister that apparently had a variable axle path (they...

Slightly off-topic but I remember happening upon some old MTBR/Ridemonkey threads referencing a "5-bar" Passion model from Sinister that apparently had a variable axle path (they called it Variable Suspension Technology). From what I can gather it depended on the chainstay physically contacted a bumper that engaged the shock linkage, but a different thread with Frank the Welder explaining it more in depth no longer exists. Sounds absolutely crazy but I don't think it ever went to market; it'd be pretty sweet to see someone mess around with that today.

sinister-passion

 

I actually hit up Frank about a year ago about making a modern bike with that suspension design. It sounded like after years and years of...

I actually hit up Frank about a year ago about making a modern bike with that suspension design. It sounded like after years and years of getting the patents he got burnt on the deal and his name was left off. (Maybe not all correct info, just what I gathered).

I really like the idea of the design because it will take small hits with a vertical wheel path and big hits it will move the axle path reward. apparently many manufacturers tested his design and praised it. Like above, not sure why it got shut down…

Heres some other photos that I have saved from FTW’s VST

B4599EF4-1154-4BD2-8440-D95D619E9934.jpeg?VersionId=UNwdSqXIIkU0hWeTeYeFfO XHajvf2K

 D82A658B-FB7C-41AC-ACC2-729868CC6509

 C852445F-BD8E-48D8-88FA-B175CFCEEC45

 B72F8E18-7C79-48BF-83A4-77E52571B7D5

 

Pretty sure he goes in to it a bit on his episode of the inside line - https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/The-Inside-Line-Frank-The-Welder,2612

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I was about to bring that podcast up. Really enjoyed that one, it sounded messy in the end for that 5 bar. 

Interested to hear more about this project and if it's from frank or not.

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