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TheShortestCharles 10/19/2021 5:54pm
10/19/2021 5:54pm
metadave wrote:
I've been wondering that as well. With the top fuel moving well into Fuel EX territory, it seems to me the EX would get pushed into...
I've been wondering that as well. With the top fuel moving well into Fuel EX territory, it seems to me the EX would get pushed into Remedy territory. Do they keep both or ditch one?
The Fuel EX is 27.5" or 29" depending on size whereas the Remedy is currently 27,5" only, so assuming they keep both I'd guess the EX would be pushed to around 140mm (think Orbea Rallon) with the Remedy probably being bumped to 160mm as a sort of 'Slash MX'.
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bulletbass man 10/19/2021 7:13pm
10/19/2021 7:13pm
I imagine the line staying as is model wise for the foreseeable future with the slash and remedy both getting slightly more travel. I imagine remedy will be a mullet except in xs and small (full 27.5) and the slash will probably have some type of flip chip or another like the stumpy evo to be 29 or mullet.
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tavaenga 10/19/2021 9:18pm
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lickmycrinkle wrote:
It's just the flight attendant left controller. The lower button and middle rocker are the same thing. [img]https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/forums/2021/10/19/11561/s1200_max_A7305530_450489.jpg[/img] [img]https://ep1.pinkbike.org/p0pb21409229/p0pb21409229.jpg[/img]
It's just the flight attendant left controller. The lower button and middle rocker are the same thing.


Actually it looks like a 3rd gen AXS paddle for the Reverb seatpost (or whatever is assigned) controller.

1st gen is single control point with RockShox logo
2nd gen is double control point with RockShox logo
3rd gen (?) is double control point with no logo and design matches new right side paddle released earlier this year.
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lickmycrinkle 10/20/2021 12:48am
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Anyone heard anymore news on 7 spd axs
It's not happening.
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bike_futurist 10/20/2021 4:31am
10/20/2021 4:31am
on pinkbike's megatower -thread someone posted of getting mk2 mega as a warranty replacement. not that it is a huge surprise given SC sticking to 3 year cycle.
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nskerb 10/20/2021 6:56am
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bike_futurist wrote:
on pinkbike's megatower -thread someone posted of getting mk2 mega as a warranty replacement. not that it is a huge surprise given SC sticking to 3...
on pinkbike's megatower -thread someone posted of getting mk2 mega as a warranty replacement. not that it is a huge surprise given SC sticking to 3 year cycle.
Thinking about it, that bike seems somewhat old anyways. It was pretty early in the heavy hitting 29er game and that is a pretty massive market. Also seemed to me that the bike was met with mixed opinions and generally seen as being a little bit chattery or harsh on square edge and small bump compliance. Hopefully they dial it in.
Sonofbovril2 10/20/2021 9:54am
10/20/2021 9:54am
I wonder if we will see a new Slash with the high pivot from the DH bike eventually?
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bike_futurist 10/20/2021 10:16am
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bike_futurist wrote:
on pinkbike's megatower -thread someone posted of getting mk2 mega as a warranty replacement. not that it is a huge surprise given SC sticking to 3...
on pinkbike's megatower -thread someone posted of getting mk2 mega as a warranty replacement. not that it is a huge surprise given SC sticking to 3 year cycle.
nskerb wrote:
Thinking about it, that bike seems somewhat old anyways. It was pretty early in the heavy hitting 29er game and that is a pretty massive market...
Thinking about it, that bike seems somewhat old anyways. It was pretty early in the heavy hitting 29er game and that is a pretty massive market. Also seemed to me that the bike was met with mixed opinions and generally seen as being a little bit chattery or harsh on square edge and small bump compliance. Hopefully they dial it in.
yeah the initial reviewers didn't seem to like the tune on the super deluxe. I got one myself and a coil fits the bike a lot better.
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bulletbass man 10/20/2021 12:35pm
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Sonofbovril2 wrote:
I wonder if we will see a new Slash with the high pivot from the DH bike eventually?
That’s an interesting thought for sure. They could bring back the remedy 29 as a substitute for those wanting a long travel 29 but no hp.

But please. 400mm seattube on the m/l. Bikes are more fun with the seat under your butt instead of in your chest.
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Primoz 10/20/2021 12:58pm
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If the slash was to go full enduro, does trek have a stumpjumper or hightower equivalent in 29"? Is that the fuel ex now?
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noideamtber 10/20/2021 1:24pm
10/20/2021 1:24pm
Sonofbovril2 wrote:
I wonder if we will see a new Slash with the high pivot from the DH bike eventually?
bulletbass man wrote:
That’s an interesting thought for sure. They could bring back the remedy 29 as a substitute for those wanting a long travel 29 but no hp...
That’s an interesting thought for sure. They could bring back the remedy 29 as a substitute for those wanting a long travel 29 but no hp.

But please. 400mm seattube on the m/l. Bikes are more fun with the seat under your butt instead of in your chest.
Low seat tubes are half the battle, long inseam riders need a longer dropper too, on all large bikes, 210 isnt enough for me at 6ft. and i always have to lift them a good chunk out of the frame (because i actually like my seat at correct height, which many riders dont have theirs high enough)
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Sonofbovril2 wrote:
I wonder if we will see a new Slash with the high pivot from the DH bike eventually?
bulletbass man wrote:
That’s an interesting thought for sure. They could bring back the remedy 29 as a substitute for those wanting a long travel 29 but no hp...
That’s an interesting thought for sure. They could bring back the remedy 29 as a substitute for those wanting a long travel 29 but no hp.

But please. 400mm seattube on the m/l. Bikes are more fun with the seat under your butt instead of in your chest.
noideamtber wrote:
Low seat tubes are half the battle, long inseam riders need a longer dropper too, on all large bikes, 210 isnt enough for me at 6ft...
Low seat tubes are half the battle, long inseam riders need a longer dropper too, on all large bikes, 210 isnt enough for me at 6ft. and i always have to lift them a good chunk out of the frame (because i actually like my seat at correct height, which many riders dont have theirs high enough)
I agree that the "the lower the better" philosophy is wrong, but it's better for taller riders to have some exposed seat post than shorter riders being unable to get the seat low enough within a size range.
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metadave 10/20/2021 1:37pm
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Primoz wrote:
If the slash was to go full enduro, does trek have a stumpjumper or hightower equivalent in 29"? Is that the fuel ex now?
Kind of what I was asking. The current slash is a big bike, but for what most brands are currently running, there's only really room for one bike between the top fuel without wild overlap. They'd have to do half degree intervals up front an 12mm travel increment's between bikes unless they're going to have a super small market mullet/full 27.5 Remedy which, I'll give it to trek, they always seem game for such as the 1120 adventure bike and Stache EX. To me it makes sense to dump the Fuel EX since having two fuels in the line with slightly different names has always somewhat confused the general public and droping a fresh 150mm, mullet capable, Remedy to fill that space seems like a smarter move.
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gordo58 10/20/2021 2:36pm
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TheShortestCharles wrote:
Any info on the next Remedy? I haven't seen any leaks or confirmations but I'd expect MX/mullet wheels; same as the latest Bronson
gordo58 wrote:
I've ordered the new remedy and there's only new spec and paint, it's still 27.5
bedell99 wrote:
Curious to know what Trek is giving your for a delivery time frame? Makes sense though that a new mullet Remedy will be release though.

Erik
Placed the order last month and was supposed to arrive in December , but then got pushed back to march 2022
TheShortestCharles 10/20/2021 5:54pm
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Sonofbovril2 wrote:
I wonder if we will see a new Slash with the high pivot from the DH bike eventually?
I wouldn't expect it for at least a couple years since the newest generation was just released last December, but I'd say it'll probably happen
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baronKanon 10/20/2021 10:14pm
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noideamtber wrote:
Low seat tubes are half the battle, long inseam riders need a longer dropper too, on all large bikes, 210 isnt enough for me at 6ft...
Low seat tubes are half the battle, long inseam riders need a longer dropper too, on all large bikes, 210 isnt enough for me at 6ft. and i always have to lift them a good chunk out of the frame (because i actually like my seat at correct height, which many riders dont have theirs high enough)
I actually do not agree that 210 is not enough. It depends a bit on your seat angle, but at the moment I am on 160 on my Starling Murmur with 77° seat angle (I am 185cm in normal people measurements). I have wanted to go 210, but I actually cannot recall the last time I found my saddle caught in anything or that I wanted to go lower. Also, from my downhill days, I appreciated a saddle tip to steer with my legs.
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metadave 10/20/2021 11:01pm
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baronKanon wrote:
I actually do not agree that 210 is not enough. It depends a bit on your seat angle, but at the moment I am on 160...
I actually do not agree that 210 is not enough. It depends a bit on your seat angle, but at the moment I am on 160 on my Starling Murmur with 77° seat angle (I am 185cm in normal people measurements). I have wanted to go 210, but I actually cannot recall the last time I found my saddle caught in anything or that I wanted to go lower. Also, from my downhill days, I appreciated a saddle tip to steer with my legs.
Just the tip
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pablo_b 10/21/2021 4:42am
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gordo58 wrote:
I've ordered the new remedy and there's only new spec and paint, it's still 27.5
bedell99 wrote:
Curious to know what Trek is giving your for a delivery time frame? Makes sense though that a new mullet Remedy will be release though.

Erik
gordo58 wrote:
Placed the order last month and was supposed to arrive in December , but then got pushed back to march 2022
I placed an order on the new Session and they told me latest August 2022 but it could come earlier. which sucks. because I sold my Demo and now I dont have a DH bike.
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Brian_Peterson 10/21/2021 8:03am
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Primoz wrote:
If the slash was to go full enduro, does trek have a stumpjumper or hightower equivalent in 29"? Is that the fuel ex now?
My thought would be update the previous Slash (160/150) and make that the Remedy 29, especially if they wanted to make the next generation of Slash even more race focused. Plus, that could be a bike that goes up against bikes like the Hightower, Switchblade, etc...
bulletbass man 10/21/2021 9:49am
10/21/2021 9:49am
noideamtber wrote:
Low seat tubes are half the battle, long inseam riders need a longer dropper too, on all large bikes, 210 isnt enough for me at 6ft...
Low seat tubes are half the battle, long inseam riders need a longer dropper too, on all large bikes, 210 isnt enough for me at 6ft. and i always have to lift them a good chunk out of the frame (because i actually like my seat at correct height, which many riders dont have theirs high enough)
baronKanon wrote:
I actually do not agree that 210 is not enough. It depends a bit on your seat angle, but at the moment I am on 160...
I actually do not agree that 210 is not enough. It depends a bit on your seat angle, but at the moment I am on 160 on my Starling Murmur with 77° seat angle (I am 185cm in normal people measurements). I have wanted to go 210, but I actually cannot recall the last time I found my saddle caught in anything or that I wanted to go lower. Also, from my downhill days, I appreciated a saddle tip to steer with my legs.
At 5 9 I like a 180 post. 210 is too much drop and can have max insertion issues depend on frame. At 150 I’m either left with a high seat going down (I like my seat lower than average on descents, I gave away my Hightower cause stand over bugged me one I got my throttle) or a low seat going up. I definitely get the argument for not too low of a seat. My xc bike has only 80 mm of drop for similiar reasons. If I raced I’d probably stick 150 but a super low seat is a ton of fun out on trails. Makes a mtb feel like a Bmx bike on steroids.
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Batts 10/21/2021 9:55am
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bedell99 wrote:
Curious to know what Trek is giving your for a delivery time frame? Makes sense though that a new mullet Remedy will be release though.

Erik
gordo58 wrote:
Placed the order last month and was supposed to arrive in December , but then got pushed back to march 2022
pablo_b wrote:
I placed an order on the new Session and they told me latest August 2022 but it could come earlier. which sucks. because I sold my...
I placed an order on the new Session and they told me latest August 2022 but it could come earlier. which sucks. because I sold my Demo and now I dont have a DH bike.
I have always had the rule to not sell a bike until the new one is in hand, not easy to swing financially.

In the current state of things I could not imagine rolling the dice.

Plus it is easier than ever to sell a used bike. Sold 2 this year and each one only took a day (should have asked for more money)
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Brian_Peterson 10/21/2021 11:03am
10/21/2021 11:03am
Batts wrote:
I have always had the rule to not sell a bike until the new one is in hand, not easy to swing financially. In the current...
I have always had the rule to not sell a bike until the new one is in hand, not easy to swing financially.

In the current state of things I could not imagine rolling the dice.

Plus it is easier than ever to sell a used bike. Sold 2 this year and each one only took a day (should have asked for more money)
Selling an old bike is really only easy right now because the new ones are hard to get.. Was going to sell my Slash, but the replacement i wanted never showed up.. I may have missed out on the chance to get top dollar for it.. But, I didn't want to miss riding time, so I'm glad I held on to it..
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Primoz 10/22/2021 1:08am
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People actually sell bikes before they have new ones ready to ride??

As for the dropper, I ran a 125 on my 15 Reign and it wasn't enough. I noticed that once I went for a 170 on my current Bird. The seat tube angles were 69ish actual and 73 advertised for the Reign and 71 and 76 for the Bird. I'm 190 cm tall (6ft3?) and while the Reign wasn't good, I didn't know how much not good it was. On the Bird I now feel 170 mm drop is not enough, I could easily ride with the seat lower (moving the bike underneath me more).

I get the insertion issues, I understand using the seat to steer the bike, but yeah, I want to go past 200 mm of drop. I'd definitely go for a bikeyoke 213 or a Oneup 210 at this moment (prolly for the bikeyoke because of the serviceability.
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Noeserd 10/22/2021 5:44am
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Primoz wrote:
People actually sell bikes before they have new ones ready to ride?? As for the dropper, I ran a 125 on my 15 Reign and it...
People actually sell bikes before they have new ones ready to ride??

As for the dropper, I ran a 125 on my 15 Reign and it wasn't enough. I noticed that once I went for a 170 on my current Bird. The seat tube angles were 69ish actual and 73 advertised for the Reign and 71 and 76 for the Bird. I'm 190 cm tall (6ft3?) and while the Reign wasn't good, I didn't know how much not good it was. On the Bird I now feel 170 mm drop is not enough, I could easily ride with the seat lower (moving the bike underneath me more).

I get the insertion issues, I understand using the seat to steer the bike, but yeah, I want to go past 200 mm of drop. I'd definitely go for a bikeyoke 213 or a Oneup 210 at this moment (prolly for the bikeyoke because of the serviceability.
I live in a third world country and i can't afford something before selling what i have in my hand. I'm sure it checks out on low wage/hour jobs for you guys too
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pablo_b 10/22/2021 6:53am
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Primoz wrote:
People actually sell bikes before they have new ones ready to ride?? As for the dropper, I ran a 125 on my 15 Reign and it...
People actually sell bikes before they have new ones ready to ride??

As for the dropper, I ran a 125 on my 15 Reign and it wasn't enough. I noticed that once I went for a 170 on my current Bird. The seat tube angles were 69ish actual and 73 advertised for the Reign and 71 and 76 for the Bird. I'm 190 cm tall (6ft3?) and while the Reign wasn't good, I didn't know how much not good it was. On the Bird I now feel 170 mm drop is not enough, I could easily ride with the seat lower (moving the bike underneath me more).

I get the insertion issues, I understand using the seat to steer the bike, but yeah, I want to go past 200 mm of drop. I'd definitely go for a bikeyoke 213 or a Oneup 210 at this moment (prolly for the bikeyoke because of the serviceability.
I study and work part time, so yes, I have to sell my current bike to buy another one because I can basically save 0 euros per month.
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Noeserd 10/22/2021 6:58am
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pablo_b wrote:
I study and work part time, so yes, I have to sell my current bike to buy another one because I can basically save 0 euros...
I study and work part time, so yes, I have to sell my current bike to buy another one because I can basically save 0 euros per month.
a 3000€ bikes price increased 32% for me since february because currency dropped very bad, i sold my bike but i can't afford a new one right now

but it's not the point
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Primoz 10/22/2021 7:28am
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Wow, you guys really didn't like that remark Tongue

Don't get me wrong, I get the points. I rode a 2008 Commencal Meta 5.5 for 7 years and bought the Reign I had after it (mid 2015) because enough was enough - I broke the chain twice in one ride, as it was only replaced after a year of ownership (told the shop to check the wear and got a new chain picking the bike up) and never again (put the chain off my 2001 XC race bike on it for the couple of months, as it was adequately worn out) and the swingarm was cracked.

I didn't really get much back from it as I sold it for 600 € after spending 300 to put a new swingarm and drivetrain on it, so it wasn't much of a factor. And I barely sold the Reign for 1500 € after two months of selling it, so that also wasn't much of a cash injection when buying the Bird...

The main point was, even more so in these uncertain times to do anything you can (beg, borrow, steal) to not be left without a ride. Selling your bike only for the delivery of the new one to be pushed back must suck nails. Or buying something being pressed into a corner - bought the last two cars that way (totaled the one before, so I really needed a new one, then the one had the dual mass flywheel blow up and the clutch dying, so really needed what is now the current one) and both were less than ideal purchases.

My modus operandi (with everything, basically) is, if at all possible, to overlap the 'old' and the 'new' thing and do the changeover before the old one gives up the ghost. I get it's not always possible, but it might be worth it in the long run...
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Brian_Peterson 10/22/2021 7:32am
10/22/2021 7:32am
I work in a shop, but I can't afford a bike without selling one.. I just make sure the new one is at least
available to order first.. But, that's been an issue as of late.. And, the price increases due to the whole COVID-19 thing hasn't made it any easier..
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