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Eoin 10/6/2020 2:40am
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Took me way too long to realise this wasn't a Turbo Levo SL
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jason.west.750 10/6/2020 3:35am
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Its an enduro bike now.
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EugenM 10/6/2020 3:38am
10/6/2020 3:38am Edited Date/Time 10/6/2020 4:57am
What about the enduro?(beside having issues with the higher axle-to-crown heights of the new 38s); anyone knows when the 2021 year model arrives?
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krabo83 10/6/2020 7:18am
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MunteanuHill wrote:
A new TroyLee helmet is in the works , something with more protection at the back , like a Fox Dropframe . In all the photos...
A new TroyLee helmet is in the works , something with more protection at the back , like a Fox Dropframe . In all the photos that Vali is riding with an open face helmet you can see it .

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/photo-epic-the-prodigy-at-home-with-valen…


sharp eyes!! i was pretty sure she was wearing an old A1 but after comparing them vali definitely has a new lid.
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hamncheez2003 10/6/2020 8:48am
10/6/2020 8:48am
Pretty sure thats just the EVO stumpjumper; the normal one has flexing rear triangle- no Horst link


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Whattheheel 10/6/2020 8:54am
10/6/2020 8:54am
Yes EVO. Comes stock with an angleset and you can purchase a mullet link separately. Just received the email.
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Primoz 10/6/2020 9:01am
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metadave wrote:
Deore 4 pistons are unavailable until late march in Canada from one of our distributors
No no, not next year and retail. Over one year, over 52 weeks of waiting for the delivery. For an OEM customer, ordering 100s or 1000s of brake sets.
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HH4L 10/6/2020 9:08am
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So if that's an EVO, where's the coil shock?!?!
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Primoz 10/6/2020 9:08am
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pohsoonteng wrote:
yes but the reach is not the only thing that affects front center... axle to crown, head angle and stack does so as well...
Which is more or less what I said, just the other way around. The thing is you said you want a shorter reach when you have a longer front centre. That's not possible if you're not making the stack ridiculously high or the headtube angle ridiculously slack. Stack and head tube angle are currently hovering around a certain value and for example lengthening the front centre will mean a longer reach. With an appropriate ETT/cockpit length, your seat tube will get steeper, which is something most people like these days (that's why for a given, reasonable, ETT/cockpit length both front centres and reaches have increased at the same stack and HTA when making seat tubes steeper).

Or, compared from size to size, a larger size will have both a longer reach AND a longer front centre with the same HTA (and a small difference in stack). Making the front centre longer and the reach shorter is just unnatural. The two dimensions are intertwined too much to have opposite changes be logical.
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Primoz 10/6/2020 9:09am
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EugenM wrote:
What about the enduro?(beside having issues with the higher axle-to-crown heights of the new 38s); anyone knows when the 2021 year model arrives?
And besides all the cracking issues?
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sspomer 10/6/2020 9:13am
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stumpy evo if you prefer TV to words
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metadave 10/6/2020 11:55am
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metadave wrote:
Deore 4 pistons are unavailable until late march in Canada from one of our distributors
Primoz wrote:
No no, not next year and retail. Over one year, over 52 weeks of waiting for the delivery. For an OEM customer, ordering 100s or 1000s...
No no, not next year and retail. Over one year, over 52 weeks of waiting for the delivery. For an OEM customer, ordering 100s or 1000s of brake sets.
Oh lord....
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Primoz 10/6/2020 11:58am
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Yup... It's a sign of the times Smile
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mixmastamikal 10/6/2020 12:52pm
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nskerb wrote:
My head is going to explode if we keep seeing production quality norco bikes without seeing any official release
metadave wrote:
I was told by a reputable source that they ran into production headaches like a few other brands due to covid and every brand trying to...
I was told by a reputable source that they ran into production headaches like a few other brands due to covid and every brand trying to squeeze as much out of all the factory's as they can, same reason Cannondale ended up pushing back their model year. Apparently Norco had a few bikes to put out and has had to delay official release for that reason. I think crankworx whistler was the intended date before it was cancelled.
This is a very good point and I think it will be interesting to see if this possibly translates into an increased amount of quality issues down the road. Rushing things out almost always leads to further problems it seams.
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tombola33 10/6/2020 2:06pm
10/6/2020 2:06pm
Frame only option the the evo?
joaotenedoriofanzeres 10/6/2020 2:06pm
10/6/2020 2:06pm
EugenM wrote:
What about the enduro?(beside having issues with the higher axle-to-crown heights of the new 38s); anyone knows when the 2021 year model arrives?
Still waiting for the Nukeproof launch.... 🤪
bermslapper69 10/6/2020 2:23pm
10/6/2020 2:23pm
EugenM wrote:
What about the enduro?(beside having issues with the higher axle-to-crown heights of the new 38s); anyone knows when the 2021 year model arrives?
I might be confusing this somehow but a quick search shows that the difference in axle to crown from a 36 to a 38 is 2mm. Not sure how that would mess up the geo
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EugenM 10/6/2020 2:28pm
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EugenM wrote:
What about the enduro?(beside having issues with the higher axle-to-crown heights of the new 38s); anyone knows when the 2021 year model arrives?
joaotenedoriofanzeres wrote:
Still waiting for the Nukeproof launch.... 🤪
Should be today. Silly which time-table, which hour..idfk Whistling
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EugenM 10/6/2020 2:30pm
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EugenM wrote:
What about the enduro?(beside having issues with the higher axle-to-crown heights of the new 38s); anyone knows when the 2021 year model arrives?
bermslapper69 wrote:
I might be confusing this somehow but a quick search shows that the difference in axle to crown from a 36 to a 38 is 2mm...
I might be confusing this somehow but a quick search shows that the difference in axle to crown from a 36 to a 38 is 2mm. Not sure how that would mess up the geo
Nope..not 2 mm.
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brash 10/6/2020 2:31pm
10/6/2020 2:31pm Edited Date/Time 10/6/2020 2:34pm
EugenM wrote:
What about the enduro?(beside having issues with the higher axle-to-crown heights of the new 38s); anyone knows when the 2021 year model arrives?
bermslapper69 wrote:
I might be confusing this somehow but a quick search shows that the difference in axle to crown from a 36 to a 38 is 2mm...
I might be confusing this somehow but a quick search shows that the difference in axle to crown from a 36 to a 38 is 2mm. Not sure how that would mess up the geo
Issue is when going from the "old" 36's to 38's. There is a considerable axle to crown increase for the same travel.

2021 forks, A2C between 36 & 38 is only 2 mm.

But say you have a 2020 36, that's 581mm A2C, same travel 38 has you at 593mm. 12mm difference. That's 0.5deg HA. Stack and reach also changes. Could probably sort with lowering the bars a tad.
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EugenM 10/6/2020 2:39pm
10/6/2020 2:39pm Edited Date/Time 10/6/2020 2:43pm
EugenM wrote:
What about the enduro?(beside having issues with the higher axle-to-crown heights of the new 38s); anyone knows when the 2021 year model arrives?
bermslapper69 wrote:
I might be confusing this somehow but a quick search shows that the difference in axle to crown from a 36 to a 38 is 2mm...
I might be confusing this somehow but a quick search shows that the difference in axle to crown from a 36 to a 38 is 2mm. Not sure how that would mess up the geo
brash wrote:
Issue is when going from the "old" 36's to 38's. There is a considerable axle to crown increase for the same travel. 2021 forks, A2C between...
Issue is when going from the "old" 36's to 38's. There is a considerable axle to crown increase for the same travel.

2021 forks, A2C between 36 & 38 is only 2 mm.

But say you have a 2020 36, that's 581mm A2C, same travel 38 has you at 593mm. 12mm difference. That's 0.5deg HA. Stack and reach also changes. Could probably sort with lowering the bars a tad.
Basically, if you go from a 170mm 36 grip2 to a 170mm zeb is almost like getting a 180mm 36. 9mm to the zeb, almost 7mm to the 38. That is bound to modify the geo; especially if you want to put 180mm on your enduro. That would, currently mean, 17 to 19mm extra on the front for the enduro with a 170mm 36 on it.

Edit. I would be pissed AF if I would be the PM for the enduro. Two new forks, more travel than ever and they can't use it for s$&t.🙄


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brash 10/6/2020 3:29pm
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bermslapper69 wrote:
I might be confusing this somehow but a quick search shows that the difference in axle to crown from a 36 to a 38 is 2mm...
I might be confusing this somehow but a quick search shows that the difference in axle to crown from a 36 to a 38 is 2mm. Not sure how that would mess up the geo
brash wrote:
Issue is when going from the "old" 36's to 38's. There is a considerable axle to crown increase for the same travel. 2021 forks, A2C between...
Issue is when going from the "old" 36's to 38's. There is a considerable axle to crown increase for the same travel.

2021 forks, A2C between 36 & 38 is only 2 mm.

But say you have a 2020 36, that's 581mm A2C, same travel 38 has you at 593mm. 12mm difference. That's 0.5deg HA. Stack and reach also changes. Could probably sort with lowering the bars a tad.
EugenM wrote:
Basically, if you go from a 170mm 36 grip2 to a 170mm zeb is almost like getting a 180mm 36. 9mm to the zeb, almost 7mm...
Basically, if you go from a 170mm 36 grip2 to a 170mm zeb is almost like getting a 180mm 36. 9mm to the zeb, almost 7mm to the 38. That is bound to modify the geo; especially if you want to put 180mm on your enduro. That would, currently mean, 17 to 19mm extra on the front for the enduro with a 170mm 36 on it.

Edit. I would be pissed AF if I would be the PM for the enduro. Two new forks, more travel than ever and they can't use it for s$&t.🙄


my ebike had a 2019 160mm 36, recently replaced with a 170mm 38. The geo did get quite wonky for sure. 26mm A2C difference between the two. The big one been reach is noticeably shorter. I have bandaided it with running the stem slammed on the headtube.

But the 38 is a lot better than the 36 IMO.
bulletbass man 10/6/2020 8:59pm
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brash wrote:
Issue is when going from the "old" 36's to 38's. There is a considerable axle to crown increase for the same travel. 2021 forks, A2C between...
Issue is when going from the "old" 36's to 38's. There is a considerable axle to crown increase for the same travel.

2021 forks, A2C between 36 & 38 is only 2 mm.

But say you have a 2020 36, that's 581mm A2C, same travel 38 has you at 593mm. 12mm difference. That's 0.5deg HA. Stack and reach also changes. Could probably sort with lowering the bars a tad.
EugenM wrote:
Basically, if you go from a 170mm 36 grip2 to a 170mm zeb is almost like getting a 180mm 36. 9mm to the zeb, almost 7mm...
Basically, if you go from a 170mm 36 grip2 to a 170mm zeb is almost like getting a 180mm 36. 9mm to the zeb, almost 7mm to the 38. That is bound to modify the geo; especially if you want to put 180mm on your enduro. That would, currently mean, 17 to 19mm extra on the front for the enduro with a 170mm 36 on it.

Edit. I would be pissed AF if I would be the PM for the enduro. Two new forks, more travel than ever and they can't use it for s$&t.🙄


brash wrote:
my ebike had a 2019 160mm 36, recently replaced with a 170mm 38. The geo did get quite wonky for sure. 26mm A2C difference between the...
my ebike had a 2019 160mm 36, recently replaced with a 170mm 38. The geo did get quite wonky for sure. 26mm A2C difference between the two. The big one been reach is noticeably shorter. I have bandaided it with running the stem slammed on the headtube.

But the 38 is a lot better than the 36 IMO.
Will be interesting to see if more brands start offering frames with reach adjusts in that category. Since many brands already have a flip chip to slacken and lower bb. It would be pretty feasible to offer a 160/160 am with a 36 and a 170/160 enduro park bike with the same frame. Or perhaps a mullet option for a 27.5 bike.


I agree upforking a bike isn’t all too bad to begin with. I ride an upforked prev gen Hightower and the pros outweigh the cons. I just also run a slammed, longer stem.
James_Greenwood 10/7/2020 1:50am
10/7/2020 1:50am
Anyone know when the official release for the status is? I know its been reviewed but its still not on the spesh website
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raozaki 10/7/2020 4:36am
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James_Greenwood wrote:
Anyone know when the official release for the status is? I know its been reviewed but its still not on the spesh website
I think it's been released just not on the website yet.
Seen one at my local bike shop - which is specialized concept store - and one in the woods even.
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Karabuka 10/7/2020 7:13am
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Spoke with a local spec dealer yesterday and he said the demand for Statuses is high because its pretty good deal but the stock is almost none across whole Europe, pretty much as any bike these days, he ordered like 15 bikes from first batch and might get two if lucky...
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Whattheheel 10/7/2020 8:41am
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Ohh!! High idler Wilson!! Nice find!!
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