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I am not seeing how the last 4 pages of this thread have anything to do with rumors or innovation.

I want to preface this by saying I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything, but it seems to me that people complaining that the bike wasn't made for them is partially what lead to the V6 Tallboy the way it is. It's become part of the homogenous mass of Horst link bikes. I remember times when people complained about a new bike coming out and it not being Horst link, like the g3 Kona Process. Or it's like every time a bike comes out and people complain that the chainstays aren't long enough, or the stack isn't high...

" My ideal bike would be carbon with coil compatibility, 29er, 120-130mm rear suspension, no flex stay, 130-150mm fork, 480-485ish reach, 440+ chainstays, no headset routing, threaded BB and decent seat post insertion. " That is exactly a Tallboy V4.1.

Is there a Can of Worms emoji?

Jesus, sorry I asked about a coil shock on the new Tallboy.

Politics, religion and emtb power limits. People are dug in, better for Avinox to not try to change minds.

I recently read an article by the enduro mag. They made a survey and found out that 70% of their readers that took part in the survey never changed their rebound from what the bike came with. The amount of people riding bikes that dont have a clue about basic setup is very high. For them, something like the progression rate is not relevant. We are all so far off the average user that we are not who brands have to engineer their bikes for. https://enduro-mtb.com/performance-gap-das-dilemma-moderner-bikes/

You have less to push against with a more linear bike. If you look at wheel force normalized for sag it all makes more sense than just looking at leverage curve. The wheel force is always identical at the sag point when normalized for sag. The more progressive layout will have a higher wheel force past sag and lower wheel force before sag in comparison.

25% has been the middle ground for a while I feel like. The Tallboy and recent Specialized stuff are the big ones that come to mind that are this low. I was actually thinking it would be amusing to make a Genie retrofit kit for the Tallboy. But yeah I think some of it is targeted demographic. The downfall of more progression kind of depends on what you normalize for in the comparison. If you normalize for sag, full travel is harder to access. That may be a benefit for some, but if a rider is on the cusp of...

Has anyone looked at the similarities of the T6 and the late GT frames, yet? https://gtbicycles.com/collections/trail-mountain-bikes/products/sensor…

I'll be honest, 15% is pretty low. Not V1 Sentinel low but getting there. Definitely down in the "huh" range. The only way I'd ever expect to get that to not bottom out in the parking lot with a coil is run practically no sag or run an unreasonable amount of damping. I had a V2 Hightower as a personal bike for a bit. It was significantly more progressive with a little more travel and a little more shock stroke to work with. I put a DHX2 on it once for the sake of experimenting. At 30% sag it would...

If we didn't overreact on the internet, does the product even exist? It's our version of "if a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" 🤣

Of all the reviews I have seen online, nobody is complaining about the progression or bottoming out all the time. And if JKW didn't immediately fill it with volume spacers, then I think there is some overreaction here.

Fluid Focus make air shock bumpers that double as volume reducers.

FYI for those that want to nerd on the Evil bike there is a closer up pic of the linkage in the NW Cup writeup: https://www.vitalmtb.com/community/NW%20Cup/blog/05/19/2026/entry/148326

Anyone noticed the neon bike that looks like a Tallboy but has a sticker over name? 5010?

@CascadeComponents right now...

Anyone have any info on Canyons situation with the Strive. It’s not on the website anymore and some of their bikes aren’t in stock until September this year. Must be some new stuff in the works?

That looks like it’s come out of the mould even rougher than most canyons.