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It’s cool how we can want or need different things from a powered MTB. And that options are out there. If 50+ pound Mtbs were all there was I wouldn’t be interested in an E Mtb.

Taller bars/more stack = more "flickability". An easy way of testing this is to ride a drop bar bike, an feel how the difference is between riding in the hoods Vs drops.

That looks like a SJ 15 EVO

I'm as excited for new saint as anyone, but lately this is how I feel waiting for them at this point:

I want range which mean often times a big battery. My 50+ lb bike can do anything my 40# enduro bike can do on the descents. I want to ride big routes in the mountains and enjoy them or ride up shit that used to be hike-a-bike only. I would agree if was the mid power or SL bikes were the only options I wouldnt buy one. I have a moto thats a completely different activity. Climbing on my ebike with friends I can still talk and have a conversation. Riding moto you have 20 mins total of conversation for...

That’s like, your opinion, man.

Upping the wattage and torque is easy to do and is really easy to market. You want to be fastest uphill? Buy this system. There are a lot of dudes who can't resist power level D-measuring contests. Lightening the batteries and motor is the hard part and what most of us want. It'll get there…

This is like when I'm speeding at 90mph on the freeway and try to explain to the police officer that I was only doing it for a short amount of time so it shouldn't count.

If someone is going 30mph up a multi use trail blowing past hikers I don’t think hikers are gonna care if the rider has been going 30mph for 10 seconds or 10 minutes

wow this is some classic vital content right here. Sspomer you can lock our threads but you’ll never make us not idiots

Bigger counter is that we do have nice things, and many of them have different names that people use. And colloquially 4-bar and horst link are used pretty interchangeably (see most suspension design breakdowns online like Pro's Closet, Bike Mag. Bike Radar, etc). The post that prompted this was referring to the tallboy that will be horst link, so you know what they meant. Or, if you didn't, you could ask if they meant that.

Fair, but I think most mountain bikers probably use it to refer to horst link bikes, as in the new Tallboy. Not everyone is so obsessed with crustaceans to come up with new ways to define or mock it.

i've seen a story from a eastern europe Santa cruz dealer with these descriptions asking for preorders

Any word on timing? I'm curious to see that Tallboy

There’s also a 4 bar Tallboy with updated frame storage 130/140 coming And the new V7 nomad 170mm, Mullet

response posted to the brake forum