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Jotegr
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11/14/2025 9:23am

New Nukeproof reactor looks really good. Old giga/mega/dissent back up on website. Darn, I was hoping they'd get the quickforce high pivot treatment going forward!

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mfoga
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11/14/2025 11:09am
ebruner wrote:
Soon AI will design the bikes, the AI will scrape the web for what is and isn't important in bike design... it will find this thread...

Soon AI will design the bikes, the AI will scrape the web for what is and isn't important in bike design... it will find this thread.  We will then be delivered the true final boss... crab industrial design, with crab link and headset crab claw routing.  It will simultaneously be the end of days, and the beginning of days.  

Related to crabs... does anyone have any inside scoop on SC releases?  I'm interested in a new trail bike, I'm fighting the urge to go with a hightower 4, but the SC sizing and geo work really well for me.  Despite it being very bland and the industry norm, I would be interested in a crab link tallboy... but also would be interested in the new tallboy even if it's a different crustacean or even fish based.  The hightower 4 is more travel then I need for my trail bike... but the current tallboy is a bit less.  

Wait wait wait. Youre wanting to pay top dollar for a Santa Cruz labeled frame that is just a crab link bike that probably already exists...

Wait wait wait. Youre wanting to pay top dollar for a Santa Cruz labeled frame that is just a crab link bike that probably already exists by another company? To each their own I guess. 

ebruner wrote:
Yeah, I know, it's weird.  I will only buy bikes that I can source through my LBS and if I were to go off of that...

Yeah, I know, it's weird.  I will only buy bikes that I can source through my LBS and if I were to go off of that rule, there are only two brands that I would do so with RAAW or Frameworks.  Truth be told, I've ridden a lot of crab bikes (haven't we all) and I have mostly no complaints... however I want to see what Santa Cruz's horst link pedal bikes would be like after spending time on the bullit.  There is just something about the combination of fit, geo, kinematics and quality (lack of issues) that keeps me coming back to Santa Cruz.  I spent 5 years trying to ride everything but them, just so I wouldn't be another jerry in socal on a santa cruz... but after going down that route and dealing with all sorts of oddities in kinematic and frame quality issues... I'm back on SC fanboi train.  I honestly want to be on team transition, but I had a bad run of 3 frames in a row with quality issues, so I'm on timeout with them.  

Back to rumors.  I'm sick of all of the ebike news stealing the show... since we're at the end of 2025, what's the full list of pedal bikes that we think are getting released/refreshed this year?

Santa Cruz: Nomad/Mega, Tallboy?

Transition: Spur?

Forbidden?

Specialized: Demo?

What else?

Transition Spire.  It’s been on sale for a while 

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11/14/2025 3:41pm
Wait wait wait. Youre wanting to pay top dollar for a Santa Cruz labeled frame that is just a crab link bike that probably already exists...

Wait wait wait. Youre wanting to pay top dollar for a Santa Cruz labeled frame that is just a crab link bike that probably already exists by another company? To each their own I guess. 

ebruner wrote:
Yeah, I know, it's weird.  I will only buy bikes that I can source through my LBS and if I were to go off of that...

Yeah, I know, it's weird.  I will only buy bikes that I can source through my LBS and if I were to go off of that rule, there are only two brands that I would do so with RAAW or Frameworks.  Truth be told, I've ridden a lot of crab bikes (haven't we all) and I have mostly no complaints... however I want to see what Santa Cruz's horst link pedal bikes would be like after spending time on the bullit.  There is just something about the combination of fit, geo, kinematics and quality (lack of issues) that keeps me coming back to Santa Cruz.  I spent 5 years trying to ride everything but them, just so I wouldn't be another jerry in socal on a santa cruz... but after going down that route and dealing with all sorts of oddities in kinematic and frame quality issues... I'm back on SC fanboi train.  I honestly want to be on team transition, but I had a bad run of 3 frames in a row with quality issues, so I'm on timeout with them.  

Back to rumors.  I'm sick of all of the ebike news stealing the show... since we're at the end of 2025, what's the full list of pedal bikes that we think are getting released/refreshed this year?

Santa Cruz: Nomad/Mega, Tallboy?

Transition: Spur?

Forbidden?

Specialized: Demo?

What else?

mfoga wrote:

Transition Spire.  It’s been on sale for a while 

Prolly mid 2026. Gunna look like the bottle rocket. They all will be 

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11/14/2025 7:42pm

Anyone see this before? 

 

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pnwhut
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11/14/2025 9:08pm

On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a proto…. GPTempDownload

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joshmtb
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11/15/2025 1:39am
pnwhut wrote:
On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a...

On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a proto…. GPTempDownload

Similar layout I think to dW6?

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11/15/2025 4:21am
pnwhut wrote:
On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a...

On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a proto…. GPTempDownload

joshmtb wrote:

Similar layout I think to dW6?

Same layout, it's behind the seat tube, but the links are just upside down

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monarchmason
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11/15/2025 8:11am
pnwhut wrote:
On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a...

On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a proto…. GPTempDownload

New gen Santa Cruz. That carbon molding looks like their work. Also white proto paint too. 

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11/15/2025 8:31am
pnwhut wrote:
On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a...

On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a proto…. GPTempDownload

New gen Santa Cruz. That carbon molding looks like their work. Also white proto paint too. 

A Santa Cruz with DVO suspension and e13 wheels? Not saying its impossible, they could be trying to throw us off the scent, but seems unlikely.

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11/15/2025 8:38am Edited Date/Time 11/15/2025 8:39am
pnwhut wrote:
On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a...

On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a proto…. GPTempDownload

New gen Santa Cruz. That carbon molding looks like their work. Also white proto paint too. 

A Santa Cruz with DVO suspension and e13 wheels? Not saying its impossible, they could be trying to throw us off the scent, but seems unlikely.

I had the same thought as well. Also the bike is pretty far north from Santa Cruz to take a proto out. I dont know. 

Or, its a Yeti? 

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Trocko
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11/15/2025 9:25am Edited Date/Time 11/15/2025 9:25am

Headtube cable insertion design should help give it away

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11/15/2025 9:28am
pnwhut wrote:
On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a...

On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a proto…. GPTempDownload

New propain? Could that be remi metailler?

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11/15/2025 9:34am

Spotted at Highland. Any ideas on what it is?

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11/15/2025 9:48am
pnwhut wrote:
On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a...

On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a proto…. GPTempDownload

New propain? Could that be remi metailler?

Not with Maven brakes and Fox pants.

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11/15/2025 9:49am
pnwhut wrote:
On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a...

On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a proto…. GPTempDownload

OK internet sleuths! Who gets heal rub like that?

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11/15/2025 10:00am

Same layout, it's behind the seat tube, but the links are just upside down

More on this, the shape says Yeti but it's not their usual Sixfinity layout? I know from messing with 6-Bars in Linkage that you can get a similar effect from those twin chainstay links as you can from the sliding link too. The shock layout compromised water bottle mounting and the sliding link compromised seatpost insertion, so IF (and it's a big if) this is a Yeti, it seems like they'd be moving away from their old platform for quality of life reasons?

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11/15/2025 10:10am

Would be a massive jump for Yeti to ditch the "switch finitelifespan" system?
Going by the heel rub, the rider has put in a lot of distance on frame.

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11/15/2025 10:52am
Trocko wrote:

Headtube cable insertion design should help give it away

Right? I was thinking Scott since the new gambler is already 6bar/6bar-ish

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TEAMROBOT
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11/15/2025 11:40am
pnwhut wrote:
On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a...

On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a proto…. GPTempDownload

Going off @therock911's cryptic comment to check out the headtube cable insertion for clues, it doesn't look like a Yeti SB120 or new Scott Gambler, but it does look pretty close to a new Norco Sight. I chose the newest bikes I could think of from each brand as a gauge of how they're doing cable routing right now:

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Glory831Guy
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11/15/2025 11:43am

The BB/Lower shock mount area remind me of a Scor for some reason.

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11/15/2025 11:56am
Spotted at Highland. Any ideas on what it is?

Spotted at Highland. Any ideas on what it is?

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Dont think its a gamux but the way they did that brace in the seat stay with the 2 cut outs reminds me of the 2023 gamux sego when it was all cnc

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11/15/2025 11:59am

New gen Santa Cruz. That carbon molding looks like their work. Also white proto paint too. 

Sorry but that mold does not look like Santa Cruz 

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Trocko
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11/15/2025 12:01pm
pnwhut wrote:
On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a...

On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a proto…. GPTempDownload

TEAMROBOT wrote:
Going off @therock911's cryptic comment to check out the headtube cable insertion for clues, it doesn't look like a Yeti SB120 or new Scott...

Going off @therock911's cryptic comment to check out the headtube cable insertion for clues, it doesn't look like a Yeti SB120 or new Scott Gambler, but it does look pretty close to a new Norco Sight. I chose the newest bikes I could think of from each brand as a gauge of how they're doing cable routing right now:

I actually don’t know and thought that might help some others find out who. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say Evil bikes. DW connection(is this dw6?)and cable insertion is somewhat similar to older evil models. Plus original poster says he’s in Washington 

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11/15/2025 12:12pm
pnwhut wrote:
On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a...

On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a proto…. GPTempDownload

I was thinking about this Yeti patent but there are slight difference between this real life proto and the patent drawing:

https://wheelbased.com/2020/11/22/multi-body-vehicle-suspension-linkage-by-yeti/

But the cable entry is very different from current yeti model including their more recent Mte and Lte. That cable entry port looks a bit Norco-ish. Scott is fully all-in on headset cable routing and the ransom is already 6-bar. Could be Intense new tracer as they have been willing to offer DVO oem spec and not bound by their JS-tuned VPP platform with the M1 and new Spider. 

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11/15/2025 12:34pm Edited Date/Time 11/15/2025 12:34pm

New YT? /s (too soon?)

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MauiMax
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11/15/2025 12:41pm
pnwhut wrote:
On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a...

On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a proto…. GPTempDownload

TEAMROBOT wrote:
Going off @therock911's cryptic comment to check out the headtube cable insertion for clues, it doesn't look like a Yeti SB120 or new Scott...

Going off @therock911's cryptic comment to check out the headtube cable insertion for clues, it doesn't look like a Yeti SB120 or new Scott Gambler, but it does look pretty close to a new Norco Sight. I chose the newest bikes I could think of from each brand as a gauge of how they're doing cable routing right now:

Trocko wrote:
I actually don’t know and thought that might help some others find out who. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say Evil...

I actually don’t know and thought that might help some others find out who. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say Evil bikes. DW connection(is this dw6?)and cable insertion is somewhat similar to older evil models. Plus original poster says he’s in Washington 

rocker link also made me think transition or kona but the linkage looks off for either of them

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ctbiker888
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11/15/2025 1:43pm
Spotted at Highland. Any ideas on what it is?

Spotted at Highland. Any ideas on what it is?

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Allow me to pass out tin foil hats. 

One of these riders is an employee for Faction Bike Studio (Engineering house (MULTIPLE bike brands use their services)). What are the odds of both of them being employees? 

Being that they're QC based (relatively short driving distance to Highland) - could it be an eastern Canadian Brand (*cough* Devinci?), OR,  Faction might just have a DH bike development in the works for an undisclosed brand (which seems more likely). 

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11/15/2025 1:44pm
Spotted at Highland. Any ideas on what it is?

Spotted at Highland. Any ideas on what it is?

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Is that split pivot ? And if so, could it be a new Wilson?

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11/15/2025 1:56pm
pnwhut wrote:
On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a...

On the topic of 6 bar pedal bikes, anyone got info on this? Spotted at my local trails a while back, seems pretty dialed for a proto…. GPTempDownload

New propain? Could that be remi metailler?

I think Propain has learned their lesson on headset cable routing. They released a Tyee 6.1 just to update the carbon frame to have the option of normal internal routing. 

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