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10/2/2025 7:48am
Is this a Tacky Chan Radial prototype? I remember reading here a while ago that Schwalbe was not planning to release Tacky Chan in the radial...

Is this a Tacky Chan Radial prototype? I remember reading here a while ago that Schwalbe was not planning to release Tacky Chan in the radial version, but Gravity casing and the graphics are strong hints for it being indeed a radial version.

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these have been around for a while, but yes when i messaged Schwalbe about it they told me it's not in the works, i still hope...

these have been around for a while, but yes when i messaged Schwalbe about it they told me it's not in the works, i still hope for it tho

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10/2/2025 8:05am

Transition is re-releasing a new Bottlerocket next Thursday, October 9th! They haven't sent over full details yet, but provided some history of the Rocket images. I'm pretty hyped they're bringing this bike back. #freerideissonotdead 

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10/2/2025 8:16am
Transition is re-releasing a new Bottlerocket next Thursday, October 9th! They haven't sent over full details yet, but provided some history of the Rocket images. I'm...

Transition is re-releasing a new Bottlerocket next Thursday, October 9th! They haven't sent over full details yet, but provided some history of the Rocket images. I'm pretty hyped they're bringing this bike back. #freerideissonotdead 

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Looks like modular dropout and lower shock mount?

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10/2/2025 8:22am

I’m curious to see how this fits into the lineup with the Patrol.

It seems like they have a lot of overlapping bikes in the 160-180mm space.

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10/2/2025 8:35am
Nobble wrote:

I’m curious to see how this fits into the lineup with the Patrol.

It seems like they have a lot of overlapping bikes in the 160-180mm space.

trying to do my best enhance.gif.   the wheels look to be the same size. its positioned as a freeride bike, so its possible they went full 27.5. 

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10/2/2025 8:40am
Transition is re-releasing a new Bottlerocket next Thursday, October 9th! They haven't sent over full details yet, but provided some history of the Rocket images. I'm...

Transition is re-releasing a new Bottlerocket next Thursday, October 9th! They haven't sent over full details yet, but provided some history of the Rocket images. I'm pretty hyped they're bringing this bike back. #freerideissonotdead 

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They better bring back the PBR edition!

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10/2/2025 8:40am
Nobble wrote:

I’m curious to see how this fits into the lineup with the Patrol.

It seems like they have a lot of overlapping bikes in the 160-180mm space.

jonkranked wrote:
trying to do my best enhance.gif.   the wheels look to be the same size. its positioned as a freeride bike, so its possible they went...

trying to do my best enhance.gif.   the wheels look to be the same size. its positioned as a freeride bike, so its possible they went full 27.5. 

I would guess that along with some geometry tweaks to be a little more playful..

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10/2/2025 8:42am Edited Date/Time 10/2/2025 8:45am

Isn't the Bottle Rocket a shorter travel bike, like 120mm? Looks like it is metal, so that's good.

I have a steel Trail or Park 26" circa 2005 or so, still a good pump track bike/dirt jumper.

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10/2/2025 8:45am
Isn't the Bottle Rocket a shorter travel bike, like 120mm? Looks like it is metal, so that's good.I have a steel Trail or Park 26" circa...

Isn't the Bottle Rocket a shorter travel bike, like 120mm? Looks like it is metal, so that's good.

I have a steel Trail or Park 26" circa 2005 or so, still a good pump track bike/dirt jumper.

it was, but they've also got this one pictured as running a dual crown fork, so I'm assuming it'll be in the 160-180mm range.  might be similar to say, the norco shore. 

10/2/2025 8:46am
Nobble wrote:

I’m curious to see how this fits into the lineup with the Patrol.

It seems like they have a lot of overlapping bikes in the 160-180mm space.

jonkranked wrote:
trying to do my best enhance.gif.   the wheels look to be the same size. its positioned as a freeride bike, so its possible they went...

trying to do my best enhance.gif.   the wheels look to be the same size. its positioned as a freeride bike, so its possible they went full 27.5. 

I would guess that along with some geometry tweaks to be a little more playful..

Pretty sure it's dual 27.5? At least that's what I've heard. Definitely more freeride oriented than trail/enduro/race oriented. 

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10/2/2025 8:46am Edited Date/Time 10/2/2025 8:49am
Nobble wrote:

I’m curious to see how this fits into the lineup with the Patrol.

It seems like they have a lot of overlapping bikes in the 160-180mm space.

jonkranked wrote:
trying to do my best enhance.gif.   the wheels look to be the same size. its positioned as a freeride bike, so its possible they went...

trying to do my best enhance.gif.   the wheels look to be the same size. its positioned as a freeride bike, so its possible they went full 27.5. 

I agree, it looks like it’s full 27.5.


It seems like an odd business decision though, other brands seem to be trying to cut down on number of models. Currently Transition has the Sentinel (can be long shocked to 160), the Patrol (160 or 170 depending on shock), and the Spire (160 or 170 depending on shock). Adding a 4th bike in the 160-180mm range is an odd choice.


The Patrol is great in a Dual Crown Freeride setup. Maybe they’re gonna combine the Patrol and the Spire into one bike. They’re both due for update, and that would cut down the overlap.

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10/2/2025 9:15am

Love that Forbiddens latest email pays true homage to the Crab link:
"Still wondering what the f**** we’re on about with all the crab stuff?


A theory exists called Carcinisation wherein all non-crab crustaceans evolve a crab-like body plan. A very clever Vital MTB user noticed how many mountain bikes brands had evolved towards the same form and linkage lay out. He declared that this new evolution of bike layouts be named the crab link. And many pages of crab jokes followed.  

It’s an obscure and very inside joke. But hey, now you’re in on it too."

Trend setters we are.

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10/2/2025 9:24am

Troy has the thing on his Boxxer but Luca doesn’t 

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Karabuka
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10/2/2025 9:53am
Isn't the Bottle Rocket a shorter travel bike, like 120mm? Looks like it is metal, so that's good.I have a steel Trail or Park 26" circa...

Isn't the Bottle Rocket a shorter travel bike, like 120mm? Looks like it is metal, so that's good.

I have a steel Trail or Park 26" circa 2005 or so, still a good pump track bike/dirt jumper.

Original bottlerocket was 140mm in the rear. Had a fun few minutes of digging deep into my youtube to find a video of me riding my bottle rocket around 2007 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h_nnyfWeSw

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10/2/2025 10:32am

Bottle Rocket in name only.

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10/2/2025 10:42am

So they updated the scout and named it the bottle rocket?

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ebruner
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10/2/2025 10:57am
Mwood wrote:
Love that Forbiddens latest email pays true homage to the Crab link:"Still wondering what the f**** we’re on about with all the crab stuff?A...

Love that Forbiddens latest email pays true homage to the Crab link:
"Still wondering what the f**** we’re on about with all the crab stuff?


A theory exists called Carcinisation wherein all non-crab crustaceans evolve a crab-like body plan. A very clever Vital MTB user noticed how many mountain bikes brands had evolved towards the same form and linkage lay out. He declared that this new evolution of bike layouts be named the crab link. And many pages of crab jokes followed.  

It’s an obscure and very inside joke. But hey, now you’re in on it too."

Trend setters we are.

I just gotta say, as far as mtb online community contributions to the lexicon go... crab link is way better then downcountry.  Feels the right amount of "inside baseball" and too far out there for the masses to absorb.  

Feel like this is going to be one of those if you know you know inside jokes for a long time to come.  You guys should be satisfied with yourselves lol.  

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10/2/2025 11:08am Edited Date/Time 10/2/2025 11:09am

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10/2/2025 11:34am
Nobble wrote:

I’m curious to see how this fits into the lineup with the Patrol.

It seems like they have a lot of overlapping bikes in the 160-180mm space.

jonkranked wrote:
trying to do my best enhance.gif.   the wheels look to be the same size. its positioned as a freeride bike, so its possible they went...

trying to do my best enhance.gif.   the wheels look to be the same size. its positioned as a freeride bike, so its possible they went full 27.5. 

Nobble wrote:
I agree, it looks like it’s full 27.5.It seems like an odd business decision though, other brands seem to be trying to cut down on number...

I agree, it looks like it’s full 27.5.


It seems like an odd business decision though, other brands seem to be trying to cut down on number of models. Currently Transition has the Sentinel (can be long shocked to 160), the Patrol (160 or 170 depending on shock), and the Spire (160 or 170 depending on shock). Adding a 4th bike in the 160-180mm range is an odd choice.


The Patrol is great in a Dual Crown Freeride setup. Maybe they’re gonna combine the Patrol and the Spire into one bike. They’re both due for update, and that would cut down the overlap.

It’s full 27 for sure.  My guess based on other samples/prototypes I’ve seen floating around is that the TR 11 is just going to be a longer travel mullet of this in the spire is going to be a shorter travel mullet version of this.   Transition has a LOT of their bikes, overlapping and using the same parts to make things simple for their design team over in Taiwan.  Seems like a smart move in today’s day and age to share parts with as many frames as possible.  

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10/2/2025 11:42am

R&D at Rockshox may not get the idea. But dimpling is less efficient when you could rib the fork for the riders pleasure. I dont know just my 2 cents. 

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10/2/2025 11:54am
R&D at Rockshox may not get the idea. But dimpling is less efficient when you could rib the fork for the riders pleasure. I dont know...

R&D at Rockshox may not get the idea. But dimpling is less efficient when you could rib the fork for the riders pleasure. I dont know just my 2 cents. 

I'm losing track of how I'm supposed to be riding my bike at this point, I don't think I stretch enough for this new-age tech 

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10/2/2025 12:29pm

thanks to AI and forbidden for not giving the people in this forum thread credit for the term.

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10/2/2025 12:52pm
nskerb wrote:

So they updated the scout and named it the bottle rocket?

Scout is now advertised as a junior frame with nothing bigger than a medium (which is slightly smaller than your modem medium)

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10/2/2025 12:58pm
nskerb wrote:

So they updated the scout and named it the bottle rocket?

Based on dual crown compatible, Fest series, park lap, Rampage, freeride kinda riding from Nico Vink, Hannah B, Talus, and Jaxson, I have a hard time believing it's still a 150mm trail bike...

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10/2/2025 1:00pm

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sspomer wrote:

thanks to AI and forbidden for not giving the people in this forum thread credit for the term.

I will name a beer after it, and explain the origin via blog.

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10/2/2025 1:03pm

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sspomer wrote:

thanks to AI and forbidden for not giving the people in this forum thread credit for the term.

I guess we can all commiserate with artists' hatred of AI.   

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10/2/2025 2:16pm
Transition is re-releasing a new Bottlerocket next Thursday, October 9th! They haven't sent over full details yet, but provided some history of the Rocket images. I'm...

Transition is re-releasing a new Bottlerocket next Thursday, October 9th! They haven't sent over full details yet, but provided some history of the Rocket images. I'm pretty hyped they're bringing this bike back. #freerideissonotdead 

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FREERIDE BIKES ARE BACK ON THE MENU BOIZ!

first the NS Soda, now this.

I'm imagining 27 inch front wheels/forks squared up all bloody like Stan Marsh: "i aint heard no bell!!"

Are they gonna go full gangster and offer a single speed no dropper model? Or just frame only for people who want such a thing?

I need a company to make a copy of the Dartmoor Jibbird over here, since I don't think I can just buy one in the US. Trying to think of what normal models I could bodge into a similar build. I shouldn't have given up on my Kona Process slope/slalom project Sad  

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10/2/2025 3:31pm
Transition is re-releasing a new Bottlerocket next Thursday, October 9th! They haven't sent over full details yet, but provided some history of the Rocket images. I'm...

Transition is re-releasing a new Bottlerocket next Thursday, October 9th! They haven't sent over full details yet, but provided some history of the Rocket images. I'm pretty hyped they're bringing this bike back. #freerideissonotdead 

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LePigPen wrote:
FREERIDE BIKES ARE BACK ON THE MENU BOIZ!first the NS Soda, now this.I'm imagining 27 inch front wheels/forks squared up all bloody like Stan Marsh: "i...

FREERIDE BIKES ARE BACK ON THE MENU BOIZ!

first the NS Soda, now this.

I'm imagining 27 inch front wheels/forks squared up all bloody like Stan Marsh: "i aint heard no bell!!"

Are they gonna go full gangster and offer a single speed no dropper model? Or just frame only for people who want such a thing?

I need a company to make a copy of the Dartmoor Jibbird over here, since I don't think I can just buy one in the US. Trying to think of what normal models I could bodge into a similar build. I shouldn't have given up on my Kona Process slope/slalom project Sad  

Free ride never left  Maren makes a free ride bike commencal has made two free ride bikes.  Transition technically made two free ride bikes if you count the patrol and the spire especially for the fact that both can be run in 27 five with no issues.  The Santa Cruz nomad is another amazing free ride bike.  YT.  Propain specialized.  Even track offers the session with the ability to run for 27.  There’s countless other ones that  and currently are available. To be honest, the most freeride thing you can do is take a bike like a patrol long stroke it and put two small wheels on it.

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