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Oh god, the amount of Ibis Mojos with Xfusion suspension in the wild in 2013-2016 was wild. The amount of people with carbon bikes and non functional forks I saw was a sight to behold.
It's the "we don't do a frame only option so here's the bare minimum" build imo
mullet, M, L, and XL sizes (no small? maybe full 27.5 in that size?), carbon front alloy rear.
I guess no one can take a joke in 2025.
I still think its a good looking bike.
I had a Mojo with X-Fusion. Friend was the local dealer and got offered a deal. Idea was to swap parts over time. It ended up with Fox 36 and CCDBA and full XT groupset as things wore out and items were in the sale. Still worked out cheaper than buying a better spec to begin with and I had it exactly how I wanted it.
It still seems silly to me to put a floating brake mount on a Horst link bike.
Why is it silly? Don't know the intricacies of the design.
It's very modified with a much higher main pivot and they are probably testing (trying out) a lower antirise value for whatever reason.
There are for sure reasons to try it out on a Horst link when you are developing the bike.
If you are running the fork super stiff you can lower anti-rise since it's not prone to diving. Most WC racers are so that makes sense to me. If you don't run the fork super stiff, weight transfer is accentuated and the bike seesaws when you go on and off the brakes.
WHOA hold your horses the brake arm is cool and all, but is that a Radial ply Tacky Chan prototype I can see???? Praise the lord!!!
How dare you speak ill of Santa Cruz! Let the downvotes commence!
In seriousness though the entry level scott is destined to be many a European bike park's "premium" rental option.
To be specific, the clapped out remains of the entry level Scott with a quick hose down at the end of each day will be the "premium" rental option.
I mean, would you prefer manufactures only offered premium builds and left nothing for entry level consumer? Manufactures understandably don't want to offer two material options for all the frames they produce. RS Select/Fox Performance level suspension and GX/SLX is fine for a massive amount of the market and people can upgrade the base level kit as they go along.
Your assessment of GX/SLX being more than adequate is spot on.. My primary bike uses GX..I will admit to being a bit of a suspension snob, but the Select or Performance level isn't terrible.
I'm talking about SX or NX parts on carbon frames.. I would throw Deore in that mix, but at least that actually works pretty well. I personally feel that if you are on a budget that you are better off with an aluminum frame and a nice built kit than a carbon frame with lower spec parts.. I think the nicer parts will be noticed more on the trail than the carbon frame..
I dunno, 2.5 lbs between Stumpjumper Carbon an alloy is pretty damn noticeable. If I’m the average stumpy buyer I’d much rather have nx on a carbon frame than gx on a alloy frame. Especially since derailleurs wear out/break and I can just get a GX at that point.
I don't think I've seen that much difference in weight if the only difference is just the frame material..
1.5-2.5lbs-ish is pretty typical for aluminum vs carbon.
An aluminum Sentinel frame is 9.9lb (medium) and the carbon one is 7.41lb (medium).
Can confirm alloy stumpy 15 is heavy. Bought alloy and built up, ext era fork, Storia coil, xo transmission, carbon rims with king hubs, dh casing tires comes in at 36 lbs in a S3.
Hey y'all something going on in these Maven levers in the pits at La Thuille. Heard from Alan Muldoon at MBR that the Canyon DH team had these same gold cams in their Mavens at Leogang. Any theories? More leverage? Less leverage? More ramp? Less ramp?
36lbs for a medium alloy frame with a coil shock, heavy hubs, and DH tires is actually really good.
I picked an especially heavy example
I know most aren’t that dramatic but I have the alloy stumpy Evo and man I wish I had the carbon for a little more efficiency on the big days in the sierras 🫃🏻
Stumpy Evo Alloy with the same build would be 38 lbs. but yeah, the alloy 15 is a lot heavier than the carbon, too. 36 is actually kind of a nice weight but a lot of folks want that trail/all-mountain balance of 32-34lbs
Kashima for less friction/lighter lever feel
Another option for Dak to try?
Yeah I'm pretty sure thats it - I think it's part of those psychological tactics companies play to drive sales, where if they introduce the cheapest possible build they can do (especially if it "looks" cheap....) then its easier to upsell people in to the next model up, where they probably have more profit and definitely carry more stock (if you have ever tried to order an entry level model from a high end brand, you'll know this). But if the base model is the absolute most someone can already afford then they can still satisfy that customer. So they sell more overall, even if the entry level bike doesn't seem like great value - I don't believe they really intend to sell a bunch of those anyway
More like the Maven Base maybe?
I don’t think it’s silly if a rider wants a different character than the frame was designed with.
Neko made a video testing different AR configurations and basically said its rider dependent on what they want.
Most likely the trickle down from new maven base- less force needed for initial lever pull. Kaz on the other page did a good review on them and mentioned that it was so good, he’d ride them over the ultimates.
You probably know this already, but are just trying to get users to convers on the forum. Touché, if so,
I prefer the bases on my DH bike than the TRP PRO and Maven Silvers on anther bike.
a touch less initial power which has been great to add a little bit more control.