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Eoin
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1/17/2025 8:43am
Etney wrote:
I hope this is on topic - But since it was news from this week. Just got the OneUp pedals delivered. Some pics and size comparison...

I hope this is on topic - But since it was news from this week. Just got the OneUp pedals delivered. Some pics and size comparison to Saints for anyone that has been contemplating them.

They are very similar in size, I would say maybe 5% smaller overall platform.

Tried to "dry" clip them in to my Fox Union shoes, but the pins are quite high, and the clip mechanism seems quite hard (From my experience shimano is the same, and it takes a bit for them to "break in) - So I could not clip them in by hand and check how well it contacts the shoe. Pins are not adjustable afaik. But its probably a non issue when mounted and you use your body weight.


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Nice, I was definitely interested as I find Oneup to have great design and engineering. But focusing so much on the "thinnest" aspect when my XTs are about 3mm thicker and thus have 1.5mm less clearance is a bit deflating to their argument.

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1/17/2025 8:47am Edited Date/Time 1/17/2025 8:50am

Athertons belt driven DH rig A.200.G

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1/17/2025 9:52am
Etney wrote:
I hope this is on topic - But since it was news from this week. Just got the OneUp pedals delivered. Some pics and size comparison...

I hope this is on topic - But since it was news from this week. Just got the OneUp pedals delivered. Some pics and size comparison to Saints for anyone that has been contemplating them.

They are very similar in size, I would say maybe 5% smaller overall platform.

Tried to "dry" clip them in to my Fox Union shoes, but the pins are quite high, and the clip mechanism seems quite hard (From my experience shimano is the same, and it takes a bit for them to "break in) - So I could not clip them in by hand and check how well it contacts the shoe. Pins are not adjustable afaik. But its probably a non issue when mounted and you use your body weight.


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Eoin wrote:
Nice, I was definitely interested as I find Oneup to have great design and engineering. But focusing so much on the "thinnest" aspect when my XTs...

Nice, I was definitely interested as I find Oneup to have great design and engineering. But focusing so much on the "thinnest" aspect when my XTs are about 3mm thicker and thus have 1.5mm less clearance is a bit deflating to their argument.

Also tough because they’re about the same price as the Saints but I’ve also seen Saints on Amazon for $115 recently. The big thing with the OneUps is the weight. 142g less than the Saints is really good if they perform and last similarly.

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1/17/2025 10:12am Edited Date/Time 1/17/2025 10:13am
Big Bird wrote:
Am I the only one here who has ever ridden toe clips? I feel old. I am old I guess. I used to ride my toe...

Am I the only one here who has ever ridden toe clips? I feel old. I am old I guess. I used to ride my toe clip pedals in soccer cleats with rubber spikes for better foot retention. Nice and tight in the chunder on my fully rigid bike but soft enough to be able to rip them out when in need.

When I raced BMX, flat petals were the only option. 

Then toe clips, but I was a low-key gravel biker before the term was invented. Riding my Specialized Rock-Combo on the fire roads near where I grew up.

When I decided to buy my first serious mountain bike, I got CLIPLESS pedals because everyone else had them. I distinctly remember trying to slide my foot backwards after clipping in for the first time, and promptly hitting the concrete. Good times.

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1/17/2025 10:29am
Big Bird wrote:
Am I the only one here who has ever ridden toe clips? I feel old. I am old I guess. I used to ride my toe...

Am I the only one here who has ever ridden toe clips? I feel old. I am old I guess. I used to ride my toe clip pedals in soccer cleats with rubber spikes for better foot retention. Nice and tight in the chunder on my fully rigid bike but soft enough to be able to rip them out when in need.

When I raced BMX, flat petals were the only option. Then toe clips, but I was a low-key gravel biker before the term was invented. Riding my...

When I raced BMX, flat petals were the only option. 

Then toe clips, but I was a low-key gravel biker before the term was invented. Riding my Specialized Rock-Combo on the fire roads near where I grew up.

When I decided to buy my first serious mountain bike, I got CLIPLESS pedals because everyone else had them. I distinctly remember trying to slide my foot backwards after clipping in for the first time, and promptly hitting the concrete. Good times.

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1/17/2025 10:56am

Athertons belt driven DH rig A.200.G

Well I reckon that's the coolest bike in the world at the moment

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Fred_Pop
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1/17/2025 2:13pm

Athertons belt driven DH rig A.200.G

easton wrote:

Well I reckon that's the coolest bike in the world at the moment

I think the Gamux still takes the cake.

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1/17/2025 3:19pm

Athertons belt driven DH rig A.200.G

easton wrote:

Well I reckon that's the coolest bike in the world at the moment

Fred_Pop wrote:

I think the Gamux still takes the cake.

I prefer the Trinity myself

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Looks like Trek is testing updated rear end for the session.Seatstay could be carbon or just painted? Maybe new pivot location or idler location?Machined rocker link

Looks like Trek is testing updated rear end for the session.

Seatstay could be carbon or just painted? 
Maybe new pivot location or idler location?

Machined rocker link

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There was footage of Loris testing something last year that was completely covered but you could just make out the rear was different im guessing this was it or a newer iteration 

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1/17/2025 9:28pm
Big Bird wrote:
Am I the only one here who has ever ridden toe clips? I feel old. I am old I guess. I used to ride my toe...

Am I the only one here who has ever ridden toe clips? I feel old. I am old I guess. I used to ride my toe clip pedals in soccer cleats with rubber spikes for better foot retention. Nice and tight in the chunder on my fully rigid bike but soft enough to be able to rip them out when in need.

When I raced BMX, flat petals were the only option. Then toe clips, but I was a low-key gravel biker before the term was invented. Riding my...

When I raced BMX, flat petals were the only option. 

Then toe clips, but I was a low-key gravel biker before the term was invented. Riding my Specialized Rock-Combo on the fire roads near where I grew up.

When I decided to buy my first serious mountain bike, I got CLIPLESS pedals because everyone else had them. I distinctly remember trying to slide my foot backwards after clipping in for the first time, and promptly hitting the concrete. Good times.

dolface wrote:

….

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1/17/2025 10:04pm
Looks like Trek is testing updated rear end for the session.Seatstay could be carbon or just painted? Maybe new pivot location or idler location?Machined rocker link

Looks like Trek is testing updated rear end for the session.

Seatstay could be carbon or just painted? 
Maybe new pivot location or idler location?

Machined rocker link

IMG 5274IMG 5273
peecee wrote:
There was footage of Loris testing something last year that was completely covered but you could just make out the rear was different im guessing this...

There was footage of Loris testing something last year that was completely covered but you could just make out the rear was different im guessing this was it or a newer iteration 

I posted photos on here of that frame loris was riding and it was a different front end with a cradle area that the shock sat in the middle of. This current bike they are riding looks like the stock front end but maybe changed the Seattube for different pivot locations and different rear end? Looks subtle changes, will be interesting to see what they end up with

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1/17/2025 11:41pm
Etney wrote:
I hope this is on topic - But since it was news from this week. Just got the OneUp pedals delivered. Some pics and size comparison...

I hope this is on topic - But since it was news from this week. Just got the OneUp pedals delivered. Some pics and size comparison to Saints for anyone that has been contemplating them.

They are very similar in size, I would say maybe 5% smaller overall platform.

Tried to "dry" clip them in to my Fox Union shoes, but the pins are quite high, and the clip mechanism seems quite hard (From my experience shimano is the same, and it takes a bit for them to "break in) - So I could not clip them in by hand and check how well it contacts the shoe. Pins are not adjustable afaik. But its probably a non issue when mounted and you use your body weight.


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everthing is adjustable with washers when they are mounted from below like those

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Primoz
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1/18/2025 12:06am

They are not, they are grub screws with through and through hex hole and the body has a hole which means you can unscrew it from behind. But it screws in from the top. 

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1/18/2025 12:07am
When I raced BMX, flat petals were the only option. Then toe clips, but I was a low-key gravel biker before the term was invented. Riding my...

When I raced BMX, flat petals were the only option. 

Then toe clips, but I was a low-key gravel biker before the term was invented. Riding my Specialized Rock-Combo on the fire roads near where I grew up.

When I decided to buy my first serious mountain bike, I got CLIPLESS pedals because everyone else had them. I distinctly remember trying to slide my foot backwards after clipping in for the first time, and promptly hitting the concrete. Good times.

dolface wrote:

….

Gotta forgive them. They're old. Technology is hard sometimes.

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sethimus
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1/18/2025 2:10am
Primoz wrote:
They are not, they are grub screws with through and through hex hole and the body has a hole which means you can unscrew it from...

They are not, they are grub screws with through and through hex hole and the body has a hole which means you can unscrew it from behind. But it screws in from the top. 

use shorter ones then?

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renest
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1/18/2025 3:28am
Looks like Trek is testing updated rear end for the session.Seatstay could be carbon or just painted? Maybe new pivot location or idler location?Machined rocker link

Looks like Trek is testing updated rear end for the session.

Seatstay could be carbon or just painted? 
Maybe new pivot location or idler location?

Machined rocker link

IMG 5274IMG 5273

very similar to the "sesh" proto in terms of the rocker and seattube junction...

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renest
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1/18/2025 3:57am
Looks like Trek is testing updated rear end for the session.Seatstay could be carbon or just painted? Maybe new pivot location or idler location?Machined rocker link

Looks like Trek is testing updated rear end for the session.

Seatstay could be carbon or just painted? 
Maybe new pivot location or idler location?

Machined rocker link

IMG 5274IMG 5273
renest wrote:

very similar to the "sesh" proto in terms of the rocker and seattube junction...

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1/18/2025 5:16am Edited Date/Time 1/18/2025 5:35am

I believe Trek are testing a new frame all together (I can't see the bend on the top tube the current one has) rather than just seatstays. I remember Vergier was riding a similar prototype some time ago. 

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1/18/2025 12:06pm
Primoz wrote:

It's a similar layout to the Pivot overall. 

Onawalk wrote:
Just to confirm, is that another 2, HP/Idler bikes (Vampire, Atherton) to add to that list of "fad" bikes.....Side note, I took delivery of a V2...

Just to confirm, is that another 2, HP/Idler bikes (Vampire, Atherton) to add to that list of "fad" bikes.....

Side note, I took delivery of a V2 Dreadnaught very recently, Absolute weapon, unless of course youre trying to pedal it up a hill, its just an excuse for better fitness.

 

Primoz wrote:
Vampire is not really a "fad" bike in the sense you're making it to be. Chris has a patent on multiple pivot locations and you get...

Vampire is not really a "fad" bike in the sense you're making it to be. Chris has a patent on multiple pivot locations and you get 3 bikes in one - classic low pivot, medium height and proper high pivot. 

of note, I dont think of them as fad bikes,  

Just grinding your gears from a while back when you eluded to HP idler bikes being fad bikes.....

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1/18/2025 12:11pm
Sven_Claas wrote:

@Spomer, can we please deviate the toe-clip topic to another thread, and make it in a slightly bigger default font?

You absolute legend!

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1/18/2025 12:11pm
Onawalk wrote:
Just to confirm, is that another 2, HP/Idler bikes (Vampire, Atherton) to add to that list of "fad" bikes.....Side note, I took delivery of a V2...

Just to confirm, is that another 2, HP/Idler bikes (Vampire, Atherton) to add to that list of "fad" bikes.....

Side note, I took delivery of a V2 Dreadnaught very recently, Absolute weapon, unless of course youre trying to pedal it up a hill, its just an excuse for better fitness.

 

Primoz wrote:
Vampire is not really a "fad" bike in the sense you're making it to be. Chris has a patent on multiple pivot locations and you get...

Vampire is not really a "fad" bike in the sense you're making it to be. Chris has a patent on multiple pivot locations and you get 3 bikes in one - classic low pivot, medium height and proper high pivot. 

Onawalk wrote:
of note, I dont think of them as fad bikes,  Just grinding your gears from a while back when you eluded to HP idler bikes being...

of note, I dont think of them as fad bikes,  

Just grinding your gears from a while back when you eluded to HP idler bikes being fad bikes.....

Just a minor blip on the path to Crab bike dominance... 

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Onawalk
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1/18/2025 12:16pm
Etney wrote:
I hope this is on topic - But since it was news from this week. Just got the OneUp pedals delivered. Some pics and size comparison...

I hope this is on topic - But since it was news from this week. Just got the OneUp pedals delivered. Some pics and size comparison to Saints for anyone that has been contemplating them.

They are very similar in size, I would say maybe 5% smaller overall platform.

Tried to "dry" clip them in to my Fox Union shoes, but the pins are quite high, and the clip mechanism seems quite hard (From my experience shimano is the same, and it takes a bit for them to "break in) - So I could not clip them in by hand and check how well it contacts the shoe. Pins are not adjustable afaik. But its probably a non issue when mounted and you use your body weight.


OU2.jpg?VersionId=2Q0JhSN9.l269eTTw7jhdcF

OU3OU4.jpg?VersionId=5CjHv40ee0k47
Eoin wrote:
Nice, I was definitely interested as I find Oneup to have great design and engineering. But focusing so much on the "thinnest" aspect when my XTs...

Nice, I was definitely interested as I find Oneup to have great design and engineering. But focusing so much on the "thinnest" aspect when my XTs are about 3mm thicker and thus have 1.5mm less clearance is a bit deflating to their argument.

Also tough because they’re about the same price as the Saints but I’ve also seen Saints on Amazon for $115 recently. The big thing with the...

Also tough because they’re about the same price as the Saints but I’ve also seen Saints on Amazon for $115 recently. The big thing with the OneUps is the weight. 142g less than the Saints is really good if they perform and last similarly.

Just beware of cut priced Shimano product on Amazon

I'll bet dollars to doughnuts they arent Shimano pedals, but a reasonable facsimile

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Onawalk
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1/18/2025 12:19pm
Primoz wrote:
Vampire is not really a "fad" bike in the sense you're making it to be. Chris has a patent on multiple pivot locations and you get...

Vampire is not really a "fad" bike in the sense you're making it to be. Chris has a patent on multiple pivot locations and you get 3 bikes in one - classic low pivot, medium height and proper high pivot. 

Onawalk wrote:
of note, I dont think of them as fad bikes,  Just grinding your gears from a while back when you eluded to HP idler bikes being...

of note, I dont think of them as fad bikes,  

Just grinding your gears from a while back when you eluded to HP idler bikes being fad bikes.....

Finkill wrote:

Just a minor blip on the path to Crab bike dominance... 

I mean, it can be a HP/idler crab bike, flip turned upside down....

looks like crab, smells like a crab, boings like crab, prolly crab

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1/18/2025 12:44pm
frameworks

Been a long time visitor... first tech rumor contribution, what shock is that? 👀

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1/18/2025 12:47pm
alex_o wrote:
Been a long time visitor... first tech rumor contribution, what shock is that? 👀
frameworks

Been a long time visitor... first tech rumor contribution, what shock is that? 👀

New Fox Float X2.

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1/18/2025 1:08pm
alex_o wrote:
Been a long time visitor... first tech rumor contribution, what shock is that? 👀
frameworks

Been a long time visitor... first tech rumor contribution, what shock is that? 👀

Performance elite X2 prototype.

boozed
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1/18/2025 1:45pm
alex_o wrote:
Been a long time visitor... first tech rumor contribution, what shock is that? 👀
frameworks

Been a long time visitor... first tech rumor contribution, what shock is that? 👀

chriskief wrote:

New Fox Float X2.

To add some context, the reservoir isn't visible because of the way Frameworks mounts the shock.

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1/18/2025 1:47pm
alex_o wrote:
Been a long time visitor... first tech rumor contribution, what shock is that? 👀
frameworks

Been a long time visitor... first tech rumor contribution, what shock is that? 👀

chriskief wrote:

New Fox Float X2.

boozed wrote:

To add some context, the reservoir isn't visible because of the way Frameworks mounts the shock.

From a previous post.

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1/18/2025 2:44pm

Rumor has it that Italian “friction specialist” Raicam is planning on growing in MTB with brakes but also e-bike propulsion… https://www.rideraicam.com/

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1/19/2025 12:31am

Have heard through a couple of shop owners/industry members that the 2026 Fox lineup will be very, very good. Not exactly sure in which way(s) it's outstanding but I would consider their opinions to be in good faith

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