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Very bike looking bike.
Its got adjustable chain stays and an adjustable lower shock mount at least
Crab link 🦀
Not trying to be a dick, but what makes you think this is an Orbea? IIRC, the pivot hardware is similar to what transition uses and it has ANVL stuff.
Adjustable chainstays? I think modular dropouts would be a better fit.
Anyway, good to see Orbea delving into big bike territory again!
isnt that a new spire that they are looking at making DH compatible?
I remember talking to a Transition sponsored person in QT last year and he said the Tr11 is a bit of a flop. so wonder if the spire will be full 200mm in a DH configuration?
the cable ports, rocker and chainstay yoke aren't very "transition", at least they haven't designed a frame like that recently, but could just be a mule so its not final designs and the hardware guess is more accurate
Transition def should have a park bike in their lineup! Very on brand and the Spire is already a super popular park bike so building on that success instead of a race bike makes sense. Love my Patrol with a dual crown but the average person probably wouldn’t slap a dual crown on a trail bike and see what happens.
The rocker looks dead straight like a Transition and at the time it was concluded it's a transition proto. Either way, it doesn't look like what Orbea posted, not even close. To be an Orbea mule it's far too refined (rocker) and then why make the rocker different on a serious product (close to or ready for production) if that is an expensive part to remake?
Plus, looks like the downtube is fat af...
The rocker follows a pretty similar shape as their trunnion mounted bikes. The seat tube looks almost identical to transition alloy frames and the lines on the down tube look very transition imo. Also the cable port and bottom of head tube look very similar to the alloy patrol/spire frame. ANVL bar is hard to ignore as well.
Back when this lift-photo appeared, I guessed it’s another iteration of the Vitus by-01 proto that never went into production as they went bust…
Well looking at the rocker of Maes' Wild at Fort Bill, I'd say the rocker might still be the same (or at least very similar)
Transition have used solid side plane rockers as far as I know for 4+ years now. This one has a massive hole through it, which is very unlike their designs. The biggest change recently is the new sentinel has a one piece rocker whereas they've used 2 piece rockers for a while, but even then it doesn't have the hole in it.
The avil bar and stem is a weird one.
The TR11 and Spire are on sale from transition so it's highly likely they have a new frame on the way, but I'd imagine it would be more similar to the new sentinel.
Is the one piece rocker carbon or aluminium? It makes sense to have a hole for the latter but makes sense not to for the former.
As far as I can see, looks like they use a brace on the seatstay and as you said no brace between the two rocker sides on most bikes. This is mostly because the seat tube goes right through the middle of the rocker on most (pedalable) bikes not giving any space for a brace between the two sides. The bike on the lift has a pronounced (DH-esque) kink in the seat tube giving enough clearance.
Yes, the rocker has a hole which is not normal for Transition, but the design language does look very Transition to me nevertheless...
Yeah upon closer inspection it is almost certainly a transition. The frame lines look quite different from the Max Grayston shots above, and the rocker is completely different to the Orbea. The tube set is almost identical to the patrol alloy, and the anvl kit is surely the nail in the coffin.
Seems the Fox Speedframe RS is finally ready to be launched after being seen at the 2023 Eurobike !!
Actual Speedframe
2023 Eurobike
Laurie Greenland new Helmet
That RS version looks really good.
They’ve only sold one “year” of the TR11 and they’ve been sold out for ages.
A handful of frames recently became available on their website. My theory is that that they were warranty frames being held back and delivery of new colors is imminent.
It’s interesting to hear that it’s considered a flop. I really like mine and they were pretty hard to get when they came out. Maybe the recall hurt them.
It's almost exactly the same rocker shape as the one from the FMD teaser on instagram
Seriously?
Its a transition prototype, case closed.
That’s a transition have heard there’s some new stuff coming soon.
DH bikes are usually loss leaders (more accurately a marketing tool) for a brand once dev costs are factored in. “Flop” needs a lot more context in this case.
all he said was the bike was disappointing for anything other than... in his words "flying to south africa with Sam Reynolds and doing big F%$k off jumps" - He was on a Spire with 190mm fork.
I didnt really ride with him like I hoped because he rode off so damn fast I had no chance haha
One crab looks like another crab. Let crabs be crabs 🦀
Yeah you're right, at that angle I can see the differences.
As someone who is a huge fan of the current Float X, I don't know how you can release a 200mm DH bike with a float x as the only shock option and claim it's a serious race contender with a straight face.
While I agree it seems undergunned, the fastest woman I know runs the stock shock on her TR11 and says it’s fine. She is pretty light though.
They also chose it when the Float X2s were still exploding. My guess is they wanted to spec it with an air shock and they didn’t want to choose one that would die first ride. The Float X also helps them keep the cost down a bit.
OneUp SPD compatible pedal incoming, as light as XTR Trail with (almost) the platform of Saint and DH Mallet.
Claim to fame, thinnest SPD on the market, and they've tightened up the binding so you don't get that metal on metal vague feeling (before reaching the float).
There was an exclusive Downtime podcast on it a couple of days ago which now seems to have been pulled down, they may have jumped the gun.
the million dollar question - will they be as durable as shimano pedals?
Only time will tell eh, they did mention the pedals ship with a thin socket so you can service them easier.