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Hasn't the rumour in this thread been that Specialized literally has a boxed, ready to go next gen Enduro sitting in warehouses and waiting to sell through the current one for some time?
Can someone post an image maybe?
The bike in the background seems to be some kind of ebike. There's a display on the toptube. so no new enduro I guess...
Next gen Levo or Kenevo maybe
Loic has been riding a blacked out Prototype for almost 2 seasons now ?
with my awesome brain fog I forgot about the black version, was just thinking about the silver lugged version they've also been using.
If that is an ebike in the back, could be a kenevo, or perhaps they're going away from the stumpy design for the full power levo. Low slung shock.
For those who didn't leave this page (an attitude that I support):
- OG bikeworks was developing an aftermarket kit for dropper posts (don't know which brands), to go where the actator usually sits. That was before working with BikeYoke
- OG collaborated with BikeYoke to integrate it into their post
- they couldn't settle on terms and terminated the collaboration
- OG is now back at the aftermarket approach and plans to have something ready in 6 months
FWIW, this is OG's version of the story, BikeYoke / Sacki didn't seem to be present in the MTBR thread
Oh thank you! Also that is the TDS Ranch in Grass Valley Ca. I live 10 min from it. There are some gnarly trails out there.
They also mentioned "Our aftermarket product was already in the works before our collaboration with BikeYoke began, and they were fully aware of our plans to launch an aftermarket kit."
hopefully on good terms
I think they are still using black and silver/grey parts back and forth, depending on the prototype.
also, ZEB on the kenevo /whatever ebike on the back. Would that mean anything?
(would be so weird. Jack has been working so closely with Ö for the past years, I can't see them going anywhere else)
Looks like a standard Kenevo SL.
Not that I’ve heard. They did that with the latest Levo SL, but last time I spoke to the dealer they didn’t know of any new Enduro.
Turns out it was not on good terms. BikeYoke has entered the chat and apparently this product doesn't been the German standards. Sorry for beating the dead horse but context needs to be present for vital readers
Maybe not. I imagine it may be a specialized employees bike or the property owners bike. The new specialized development center is about 35 minutes from where they are testing so its quite possible its just another employees bike.
Cat fight!!
"We don't make public alligations..." goes on to make public alligations.
There not any allegations in his post, at least none regarding OG. Merely that they said they have not wanted to move forward with any of the prototypes that have been tested so far.
Is it an allusion to low quality, or BY's high standards? I'm guessing anything with a wintek cartridge would not meet those standards and that seems to be what most people are running relatively trouble free these days.
I do get what you're saying, it's not all sunshine and rainbows, but its also not an abject declaration of a dogshit product. If it met a different standard of quality than the one purported by BY, such as whatever Oneup is happy to send out the door, I'd probably be OK with it.
I see the comment as stating what was offered didn't meet expectations so we moved on. It happens in a colab setting often enough. With BY getting burned by Sram I can only surmise that they don't want to put themselves too in cahoots with another co unless there's a solid reason to do so. IMO, BY does things right most of the time outright and then makes sure updates are backwards compatible. I don't see them being the 'wait til the 2nd-3rd year of production to chase out the bugs' type of company.
What I see is a classic clash of US and DE business cultures.
I won't spill the tea, but ten minutes of Googling and following the breadcrumbs relating to "OG Bikeworks" yields some pretty intriguing stuff – interesting previous employers, patents, failed Kickstarters, etc.
In any case, wireless dropper conversions seem like a good idea. I hope a dialed implementation of the concept comes to market.
What the world of Google can do to find dirty laundry....
Don't know OG Bikeworks, do konw that every BikeYoke post I have had has been flawless, so I err on the side of BY. Be that I have also delt with German vs US business decisions, where both sides make dumb choices. So until my BY post fails or an OG works post conversion comes out, I wait.
I had a bike yoke dropper. Worked great. When it needed a rebuild I learned it was a damn Rube Goldberg device. After three attempts, I gave it away.
Maybe the partnership didn’t work out because the device wasnt complicated enough. Maybe OneUp wants it.
Edit: sure like my 4 OneUp posts that work just fine, even if not perfect, and can rebuilt in 10 minutes. would gladly buy a electronic adaptor and spare myself the hassle of internal cable routing on some bikes with headache -inducing routing.
That's usually true for German (over) engineering.
Source,
I work for an Austrian company and do testing and evaluation.
I have two BY droppers. One has been flawless for years. The other one has been giving me mild troubles since new, never as smooth and responsive as the other one. Then there were problems with failing bushings. I am still a big fan and would buy another one in a heartbeat, but they aren't completely flawless. I would not hesitate to buy a 3rd party wireless kit if reasonably priced and engineered well enough. Petty emtpy beer dramas make no difference to me.
I like the fact that One Ups work when it works and doesn't when it doesn't but are relatively in expensive to rebuild. If only the wireless posts were the same they'd be near prefect.
BY burned by Sram? What does this relate to?
FWIW, when we were discussing how simple it is to make a wirless conversion, it's not THAT easy. Easy in principle as you need some kind of motor/actuator pushing the interface of the post, some electronics to do the communication, a remote and some way for the two to communicate.
What that means is you need to handle the mechanics of the actuator. A motor, some geartrain, something to press the thing in the post. You need a battery and some way to charge it. Some control electronics to talk to the remote and do the bzt bzt part. Then there's the remote that has at least one button, a battery, some way to charge it or exchange it. Everything also needs to be waterproof.
So you need a GOOD mechanical engineer, not just an off the shelf one, to handle all these details and tolerances. Probably quite some tooling too to make the parts as well. Then you need a hardware/electronics engineer to do all the electronics and components speccing. If you're lucky, said engineer will handle the embedded software on the electronics too, otherwise you need an embedded SW engineer as well. Then when you have everything made, you need to certify it as well, as it's an electronics device, I think it needs a CE mark in Europe, UKCA in the UK and because it's wireless, an FCC validation in the US. Plus a plethora of other certs around the world.
You can do A LOT as a one man band mechanical engineer when it comes to mechanics, basically complete frames, components, companies, etc. It's a bit more involved when electronics & co enter the chat.