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dolface
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11/14/2024 4:23pm
Onawalk wrote:
Lauf hub mechanism,Pics prolly courtesy of that chap that reviews patent application (name escapes me) but hes great!Pinched from the self proclaimed "biggest mtb media empire...

Lauf hub mechanism,

Pics prolly courtesy of that chap that reviews patent application (name escapes me) but hes great!

Pinched from the self proclaimed "biggest mtb media empire in the world"

p5pb27492784

 

p5pb27492805

 

p5pb27492785.jpg?VersionId=Fmtvjy1CZcqbGBJsxdzRjIfqbrIPP08

Would that be @WheelBased?

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Onawalk
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11/14/2024 4:37pm
Onawalk wrote:
Lauf hub mechanism,Pics prolly courtesy of that chap that reviews patent application (name escapes me) but hes great!Pinched from the self proclaimed "biggest mtb media empire...

Lauf hub mechanism,

Pics prolly courtesy of that chap that reviews patent application (name escapes me) but hes great!

Pinched from the self proclaimed "biggest mtb media empire in the world"

p5pb27492784

 

p5pb27492805

 

p5pb27492785.jpg?VersionId=Fmtvjy1CZcqbGBJsxdzRjIfqbrIPP08
dolface wrote:

Would that be @WheelBased?

Absolutely correct,

Thank You

Went and took a quick look, didnt see anything on their IG about it.  So maybe straight from Lauf, or Tyler at Bike Rumour.

Surprisingly, the comments on BR, and pretty negative, which is a bummer to me.  Negative comments about an actual product, that failing in the market, I can understand.  $hitty comments about an idea or innovation that appears to be in R&D phase at best, those kinda suck.  

I like cool things, and sometimes just cause their cool.  

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Jotegr
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11/14/2024 5:01pm Edited Date/Time 11/14/2024 5:03pm
Onawalk wrote:
I'm sure most of you have seen this,but this seems really interesting to me, An "elastic" pawl system that could be both high engagement, but also provide...

I'm sure most of you have seen this,

but this seems really interesting to me, 

An "elastic" pawl system that could be both high engagement, but also provide some elasticity in the system to "quiet" chain movement, Which I think is what most people feel as "pedal kickback"

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/lauf-are-working-on-a-wild-freehub-with-s…

Sorry, you may only refer to that website as "the other website" around here. Know the rules. However, "self proclaimed biggest mtb media empire in the world" is an acceptable alternative. Good correction.

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ex-ballz
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11/14/2024 5:20pm

That Lauf freehub would go great together with these cranks.


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TannerVal
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11/14/2024 6:07pm
IMG 3595
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11/14/2024 6:09pm
TannerVal wrote:
IMG 3595

LBS told me their Conti rep said the OEM ones are already out there but not to expect after-market versions in the shop until spring...

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11/14/2024 8:51pm
Onawalk wrote:
Lauf hub mechanism,Pics prolly courtesy of that chap that reviews patent application (name escapes me) but hes great!Pinched from the self proclaimed "biggest mtb media empire...

Lauf hub mechanism,

Pics prolly courtesy of that chap that reviews patent application (name escapes me) but hes great!

Pinched from the self proclaimed "biggest mtb media empire in the world"

p5pb27492784

 

p5pb27492805

 

p5pb27492785.jpg?VersionId=Fmtvjy1CZcqbGBJsxdzRjIfqbrIPP08

To upset the guy from earlier, I don't see how this is a beneficial innovation. It is novel for sure, using 1 piece pawls/springs under tension to create "ramped" engagement, but I've never felt like I needed my engagement to be anything more than binary. I would expect this design to feel spongy, kind of like original Onyx sprag clutch hubs but without the benefit of having instant engagement, and I don't think this design would lead to the lower amounts of wear on the other drivetrain components and frame like was mentioned in the other articles. Still, hope they're able to make a functioning prototype if one doesn't exist already and I would try it out if I had the opportunity. 

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sprungmass
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11/14/2024 9:39pm
TannerVal wrote:
IMG 3595
dolface wrote:

LBS told me their Conti rep said the OEM ones are already out there but not to expect after-market versions in the shop until spring...

There have been reports of people ordering these OEM tires directly from YT. Hoping there is a less convoluted way to getting them by next season. I really don't need a DH casing tire up front.

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TannerVal wrote:
IMG 3595
dolface wrote:

LBS told me their Conti rep said the OEM ones are already out there but not to expect after-market versions in the shop until spring...

sprungmass wrote:
There have been reports of people ordering these OEM tires directly from YT. Hoping there is a less convoluted way to getting them by next season...

There have been reports of people ordering these OEM tires directly from YT. Hoping there is a less convoluted way to getting them by next season. I really don't need a DH casing tire up front.

But they're sooooo nice to have where we ride 😂

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11/15/2024 12:44am Edited Date/Time 11/15/2024 12:45am
ex-ballz wrote:
That Lauf freehub would go great together with these cranks.

That Lauf freehub would go great together with these cranks.


Or this one 

 

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11/15/2024 1:41am Edited Date/Time 11/15/2024 1:42am

Front freewheels are great aside from all the drag, and your entire drivetrain and rear wheel exploding as soon as your chain comes off or anything gets caught in your derailleur at speed.

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Hey guys, I came across this shop that is selling new norco range vlt which is not on the official store, it has less travel 170/160 and vertical shock. In the specification there is electric shimano XT Di2 RD-M8250 12 speed, which i did not see anywhere except one page that is not accesible but on google says that this derailleur is 200 euros. 

That page is in Czech

I apologize if somebody posted about this already.norco vlt.png?VersionId=8pg DsG3dFPf3ovojR7lbsKhw7norco vlt3.png?VersionId=T2

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11/15/2024 2:44am
I often pondered this, but then they go ahead and release absolute turds like the AWL series for (yuk) e-suvs. In that case, sacrificing image can't...

I often pondered this, but then they go ahead and release absolute turds like the AWL series for (yuk) e-suvs. In that case, sacrificing image can't be all that important to them, all for a segment that probably doesn't notice who makes anything on their bike.

 

FOX 34 AWL | 27.5 - 120mm

This is basically a different category though. Turd product for real mountain bikers but this is for the retired $10k+ e-bike trekkers who want suspension for comfort. Those bikes are high end in their own lane so the fox branding makes sense.

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11/15/2024 5:08am
Onawalk wrote:
Lauf hub mechanism,Pics prolly courtesy of that chap that reviews patent application (name escapes me) but hes great!Pinched from the self proclaimed "biggest mtb media empire...

Lauf hub mechanism,

Pics prolly courtesy of that chap that reviews patent application (name escapes me) but hes great!

Pinched from the self proclaimed "biggest mtb media empire in the world"

p5pb27492784

 

p5pb27492805

 

p5pb27492785.jpg?VersionId=Fmtvjy1CZcqbGBJsxdzRjIfqbrIPP08
Eae903 wrote:
To upset the guy from earlier, I don't see how this is a beneficial innovation. It is novel for sure, using 1 piece pawls/springs under tension...

To upset the guy from earlier, I don't see how this is a beneficial innovation. It is novel for sure, using 1 piece pawls/springs under tension to create "ramped" engagement, but I've never felt like I needed my engagement to be anything more than binary. I would expect this design to feel spongy, kind of like original Onyx sprag clutch hubs but without the benefit of having instant engagement, and I don't think this design would lead to the lower amounts of wear on the other drivetrain components and frame like was mentioned in the other articles. Still, hope they're able to make a functioning prototype if one doesn't exist already and I would try it out if I had the opportunity. 

Yeah its just a lot of complication and I'm sure cost that's just unnecessary. Seems like we have hopefully moved away from the engagement wars from a few years ago. Everyone was racing to see who could have the highest engagement hubs and in reality on the trails after 36 or so POE its hardly noticeable. 

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11/15/2024 5:35am
ex-ballz wrote:
That Lauf freehub would go great together with these cranks.

That Lauf freehub would go great together with these cranks.


No riding for me this weekend, my new spokes didn't come in so I can't lace up a set of fresh cranks. 

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ex-ballz wrote:
That Lauf freehub would go great together with these cranks.

That Lauf freehub would go great together with these cranks.


the original O-chain

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HexonJuan
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11/15/2024 6:48am
Onawalk wrote:
Lauf hub mechanism,Pics prolly courtesy of that chap that reviews patent application (name escapes me) but hes great!Pinched from the self proclaimed "biggest mtb media empire...

Lauf hub mechanism,

Pics prolly courtesy of that chap that reviews patent application (name escapes me) but hes great!

Pinched from the self proclaimed "biggest mtb media empire in the world"

p5pb27492784

 

p5pb27492805

 

p5pb27492785.jpg?VersionId=Fmtvjy1CZcqbGBJsxdzRjIfqbrIPP08

Interesting. Kind of an internal version of the Loops Drive hub design. Be interesting to see how it evolves.

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11/15/2024 8:11am Edited Date/Time 11/15/2024 8:20am
ex-ballz wrote:
That Lauf freehub would go great together with these cranks.

That Lauf freehub would go great together with these cranks.


Gonna need a link to more info about those wild spoked chainrings. Never have I ever seen that in bike history.

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ex-ballz wrote:
That Lauf freehub would go great together with these cranks.

That Lauf freehub would go great together with these cranks.


TEAMROBOT wrote:

Gonna need a link to more info about those wild spoked chainrings. Never have I ever seen that in bike history.

I heard a tech rumor that I made up about an integrated spoke tensiometer as a power meter.  Didn't like your stats?  Couple twists of the spoke key and you're averaging 300 watts!  Strava warriors would've lost their minds.

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11/15/2024 8:41am Edited Date/Time 11/15/2024 8:42am
TEAMROBOT wrote:

Gonna need a link to more info about those wild spoked chainrings. Never have I ever seen that in bike history.

https://www.bikecult.com/works/chainring.html
https://vintagebicycle.wordpress.com/tag/toei-japan/?fbclid=IwAR0f-0Q5Q…

"A hand-made gadget by a certain Japanese enthusiast." Stronglight 49 crankarms with spoked-wheel spider armature, made of thin spokes (1.2mm diameter), with 51- and 45-tooth Simplex chainrings, on a custom Toei bike
 

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11/15/2024 8:45am
Cheesus wrote:
Hey guys, I came across this shop that is selling new norco range vlt which is not on the official store, it has less travel 170/160...

Hey guys, I came across this shop that is selling new norco range vlt which is not on the official store, it has less travel 170/160 and vertical shock. In the specification there is electric shimano XT Di2 RD-M8250 12 speed, which i did not see anywhere except one page that is not accesible but on google says that this derailleur is 200 euros. 

That page is in Czech

I apologize if somebody posted about this already.norco vlt.png?VersionId=8pg DsG3dFPf3ovojR7lbsKhw7norco vlt3.png?VersionId=T2

Strange. The current (and just updated Range) is being carried forward in NA. If I had to guess that's actually the new VLT sight but with a long travel treatment akin to the current one going 170/160 in some models for 2025. 

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11/15/2024 9:12am Edited Date/Time 11/15/2024 9:12am
TEAMROBOT wrote:

Gonna need a link to more info about those wild spoked chainrings. Never have I ever seen that in bike history.

sprungmass wrote:
https://www.bikecult.com/works/chainring.htmlhttps://vintagebicycle.wordpress.com/tag/toei-japan/?fbclid=IwAR0f-0Q5Q8VBs2Vf1qLDfeRLJ4txF9eFwL7OudkJ25vA_s6K371BGTjNsv0"A hand-made gadget by a certain Japanese enthusiast." Stronglight 49 crankarms with spoked-wheel spider armature, made of thin spokes (1.2mm diameter), with 51- and...

https://www.bikecult.com/works/chainring.html
https://vintagebicycle.wordpress.com/tag/toei-japan/?fbclid=IwAR0f-0Q5Q…

"A hand-made gadget by a certain Japanese enthusiast." Stronglight 49 crankarms with spoked-wheel spider armature, made of thin spokes (1.2mm diameter), with 51- and 45-tooth Simplex chainrings, on a custom Toei bike
 

If you lower the tension of these spokes enough you get an OChain

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11/15/2024 9:18am

Isn’t that what we are already discussing?

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11/15/2024 9:20am Edited Date/Time 11/15/2024 9:24am
TEAMROBOT wrote:

Gonna need a link to more info about those wild spoked chainrings. Never have I ever seen that in bike history.

sprungmass wrote:
https://www.bikecult.com/works/chainring.htmlhttps://vintagebicycle.wordpress.com/tag/toei-japan/?fbclid=IwAR0f-0Q5Q8VBs2Vf1qLDfeRLJ4txF9eFwL7OudkJ25vA_s6K371BGTjNsv0"A hand-made gadget by a certain Japanese enthusiast." Stronglight 49 crankarms with spoked-wheel spider armature, made of thin spokes (1.2mm diameter), with 51- and...

https://www.bikecult.com/works/chainring.html
https://vintagebicycle.wordpress.com/tag/toei-japan/?fbclid=IwAR0f-0Q5Q…

"A hand-made gadget by a certain Japanese enthusiast." Stronglight 49 crankarms with spoked-wheel spider armature, made of thin spokes (1.2mm diameter), with 51- and 45-tooth Simplex chainrings, on a custom Toei bike
 

26aintdead wrote:

If you lower the tension of these spokes enough you get an OChain

We can go a step further, lace an Ochain onto a spoked crankset and use the new Lauf freehub system mixed with the e*thirteen sidekick system, over 30 degrees of supply, spongy chain engagement so that when you hit a bump your pedals actually kick forwards driving the wheel even faster! Effectively you have the same degree of engagement as a crank Brothers hub from 2011! 16 poe of goodness

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11/15/2024 9:24am

We can finally do burnouts!!!!

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11/15/2024 10:26am
Cheesus wrote:
Hey guys, I came across this shop that is selling new norco range vlt which is not on the official store, it has less travel 170/160...

Hey guys, I came across this shop that is selling new norco range vlt which is not on the official store, it has less travel 170/160 and vertical shock. In the specification there is electric shimano XT Di2 RD-M8250 12 speed, which i did not see anywhere except one page that is not accesible but on google says that this derailleur is 200 euros. 

That page is in Czech

I apologize if somebody posted about this already.norco vlt.png?VersionId=8pg DsG3dFPf3ovojR7lbsKhw7norco vlt3.png?VersionId=T2

Jotegr wrote:
Strange. The current (and just updated Range) is being carried forward in NA. If I had to guess that's actually the new VLT sight but with...

Strange. The current (and just updated Range) is being carried forward in NA. If I had to guess that's actually the new VLT sight but with a long travel treatment akin to the current one going 170/160 in some models for 2025. 

Yeah, it looks just like the next gen Sight coming out next year. Would be strange for Norco to drop the Range in travel from 180/170 to 170/160. I love the big travel of the Range and would be bummed to miss out on it.

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11/17/2024 6:48am Edited Date/Time 11/17/2024 6:49am
Cheesus wrote:
Hey guys, I came across this shop that is selling new norco range vlt which is not on the official store, it has less travel 170/160...

Hey guys, I came across this shop that is selling new norco range vlt which is not on the official store, it has less travel 170/160 and vertical shock. In the specification there is electric shimano XT Di2 RD-M8250 12 speed, which i did not see anywhere except one page that is not accesible but on google says that this derailleur is 200 euros. 

That page is in Czech

I apologize if somebody posted about this already.norco vlt.png?VersionId=8pg DsG3dFPf3ovojR7lbsKhw7norco vlt3.png?VersionId=T2

Jotegr wrote:
Strange. The current (and just updated Range) is being carried forward in NA. If I had to guess that's actually the new VLT sight but with...

Strange. The current (and just updated Range) is being carried forward in NA. If I had to guess that's actually the new VLT sight but with a long travel treatment akin to the current one going 170/160 in some models for 2025. 

lando wrote:
Yeah, it looks just like the next gen Sight coming out next year. Would be strange for Norco to drop the Range in travel from 180/170...

Yeah, it looks just like the next gen Sight coming out next year. Would be strange for Norco to drop the Range in travel from 180/170 to 170/160. I love the big travel of the Range and would be bummed to miss out on it.

Not sure where I read, probably here LOL, it but it sounds like the Range is being phased out and they will go with two Sights, regular and long-travel and the Range will be replaced by the new DH bike.  Probably cheaper to keep the Sight covering two categories with the same frame with different shocks and bring the in-development DH bike for the >180mm travel folks.  

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11/17/2024 7:26am
Jotegr wrote:
Strange. The current (and just updated Range) is being carried forward in NA. If I had to guess that's actually the new VLT sight but with...

Strange. The current (and just updated Range) is being carried forward in NA. If I had to guess that's actually the new VLT sight but with a long travel treatment akin to the current one going 170/160 in some models for 2025. 

lando wrote:
Yeah, it looks just like the next gen Sight coming out next year. Would be strange for Norco to drop the Range in travel from 180/170...

Yeah, it looks just like the next gen Sight coming out next year. Would be strange for Norco to drop the Range in travel from 180/170 to 170/160. I love the big travel of the Range and would be bummed to miss out on it.

mrdimi wrote:
Not sure where I read, probably here LOL, it but it sounds like the Range is being phased out and they will go with two Sights...

Not sure where I read, probably here LOL, it but it sounds like the Range is being phased out and they will go with two Sights, regular and long-travel and the Range will be replaced by the new DH bike.  Probably cheaper to keep the Sight covering two categories with the same frame with different shocks and bring the in-development DH bike for the >180mm travel folks.  

That’s true for the regular Sight and Range. This guy is wondering about the VLT versions.

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11/17/2024 7:30am

In light of the recent hints that the updated TRPs are dropping in the (somewhat) near future, has anyone heard about the rumored updates to the Hayes Dominions?


I remember Atherton racing was running some proto calipers a while back. Curious to see what updates they would make, as they are already pretty dialed. Maybe clearance for 2.3mm rotors and better fit/finish/QC? Or something to allow them to better compensate for pad wear without affecting lever feel? Those were really my only complaints about the current version. 

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