2025 Team Rumors

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10/17/2024 8:46am Edited Date/Time 10/17/2024 10:52am
nskerb wrote:
75k to get a spot on a factory team is nothing. Hundreds of families in the US every year put a second mortgage on their house for...

75k to get a spot on a factory team is nothing. 

Hundreds of families in the US every year put a second mortgage on their house for their kids to get 10th place at lorettas super mini class. 

Don't even get me started with ski racing. People send kids to "academy" that costs 100k a year. Then like have a 1% chance of being on a national team. Then make 20 dollars a year unless they are attractive enough for a Rolex or Visa sponsorship. 

 

Not gonna lie. I saw the 75k thing (and the 30k thing that I mentioned another team floating), and I thought.. "I could just send my kid to go race with other people and probably end up saving money, but definitely end up putting much less strain on my work life." But... the whole reason we race is to spend time together as a family in interesting places doing something we all enjoy. And while it's not done economically, because we don't "dirtbag" it and instead treat most race trips more like a family vacation, the experiences are priceless... and we only have a small window before our youngest moves on to his next phase in life.

 

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Samwell wrote:
You are right, updated version

You are right, updated version

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These are just DH points??  Not sure if they are combining the DH and ED together since they are considering them both for the 20 teams??  

That would change the list again if they add them together.  Wouldn't help Gwin Racing for example but would boost Yeti up a lot I would think??  

Thanks for marking the list!!!  Makes it easy for simple guys like me that like pictures!

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10/17/2024 12:43pm Edited Date/Time 10/17/2024 1:09pm
Samwell wrote:
You are right, updated version

You are right, updated version

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Batts wrote:
These are just DH points??  Not sure if they are combining the DH and ED together since they are considering them both for the 20 teams...

These are just DH points??  Not sure if they are combining the DH and ED together since they are considering them both for the 20 teams??  

That would change the list again if they add them together.  Wouldn't help Gwin Racing for example but would boost Yeti up a lot I would think??  

Thanks for marking the list!!!  Makes it easy for simple guys like me that like pictures!

The way people were talking about the changes seemed to imply that the points went along with the riders for their team for the 2025 season, which would mean there will be some reshuffling of the list as riders switch teams or are added from teams that are closing shop. So all those points Coulanges has would move to whatever team he's on next year.

I could be wrong though, and have no insider info.

Edit: the Vital insta story seems to confirm this

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You are right Whastupcountry, results will change a lot. And people with a lot of points become more valuable for teams wanting to be in th top 15.

 

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This is insane. So teams on the bubble have to wait for team registration to complete before figuring out if they qualify and if they are going WC racing? I generally like the changes but this last minute shit is straight up unprossional for an organization which is claiming to make the sport more professional. 

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The way people were talking about the changes seemed to imply that the points went along with the riders for their team for the 2025 season...

The way people were talking about the changes seemed to imply that the points went along with the riders for their team for the 2025 season, which would mean there will be some reshuffling of the list as riders switch teams or are added from teams that are closing shop. So all those points Coulanges has would move to whatever team he's on next year.

I could be wrong though, and have no insider info.

Edit: the Vital insta story seems to confirm this

Points move with the rider. Which means riders like Anna Newkirk have gained value to a team wanting World Series team status.

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The way people were talking about the changes seemed to imply that the points went along with the riders for their team for the 2025 season...

The way people were talking about the changes seemed to imply that the points went along with the riders for their team for the 2025 season, which would mean there will be some reshuffling of the list as riders switch teams or are added from teams that are closing shop. So all those points Coulanges has would move to whatever team he's on next year.

I could be wrong though, and have no insider info.

Edit: the Vital insta story seems to confirm this

casey79 wrote:
Points move with the rider. Which means riders like Anna Newkirk have gained value to a team wanting World Series team status.

Points move with the rider. Which means riders like Anna Newkirk have gained value to a team wanting World Series team status.

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So silly season 2025 (2026 rummors) should be concluded by end of Oct, so the teams have the points for the next race year.

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10/18/2024 12:56am
The way people were talking about the changes seemed to imply that the points went along with the riders for their team for the 2025 season...

The way people were talking about the changes seemed to imply that the points went along with the riders for their team for the 2025 season, which would mean there will be some reshuffling of the list as riders switch teams or are added from teams that are closing shop. So all those points Coulanges has would move to whatever team he's on next year.

I could be wrong though, and have no insider info.

Edit: the Vital insta story seems to confirm this

casey79 wrote:
Points move with the rider. Which means riders like Anna Newkirk have gained value to a team wanting World Series team status.

Points move with the rider. Which means riders like Anna Newkirk have gained value to a team wanting World Series team status.

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rEs wrote:

So silly season 2025 (2026 rummors) should be concluded by end of Oct, so the teams have the points for the next race year.

Well that's no fun ending our game early like that!!!

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10/18/2024 2:19am
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You are right Whastupcountry, results will change a lot. And people with a lot of points become more valuable for teams wanting to be in th...

You are right Whastupcountry, results will change a lot. And people with a lot of points become more valuable for teams wanting to be in th top 15.

 

I now wonder if there will be athletes who will want to move to a different team just because their current one is out of the Top 20 (and may potential mean not being able to join more World Cups).

 

I now expect more World Cup athletes to join national and continental championships, as the points there will probably be vital for the following year, both for themselves and for the UCI teams.  

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10/18/2024 4:07am
Samwell wrote:
You are right Whastupcountry, results will change a lot. And people with a lot of points become more valuable for teams wanting to be in th...

You are right Whastupcountry, results will change a lot. And people with a lot of points become more valuable for teams wanting to be in th top 15.

 

Verbl Kint wrote:
I now wonder if there will be athletes who will want to move to a different team just because their current one is out of the...

I now wonder if there will be athletes who will want to move to a different team just because their current one is out of the Top 20 (and may potential mean not being able to join more World Cups).

 

I now expect more World Cup athletes to join national and continental championships, as the points there will probably be vital for the following year, both for themselves and for the UCI teams.  

I wonder how much continental champs and national champs will be worth? all the southern hemisphere riders are going to be earning their points in the world cup off season, could make calculations even more confusing.

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In the men, this 2024 season, national champ is 100 points, continental camp 150, World champion is 300.

A world cup win is 200 points.

A national race (and IXS race?) class 1 win is 60 points.

 

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10/18/2024 12:05pm

Will Martin Whiteley have a spreadsheet running that calculates the worth of each rider and be actively hunting riders to manage? It seems to me that a rule set like this creates an opportunity for a savvy manager with good negotiating skills to make some money.

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10/18/2024 2:13pm

Troy confirmed on Canyon for another 2 years. 

 

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Will Martin Whiteley have a spreadsheet running that calculates the worth of each rider and be actively hunting riders to manage? It seems to me that...

Will Martin Whiteley have a spreadsheet running that calculates the worth of each rider and be actively hunting riders to manage? It seems to me that a rule set like this creates an opportunity for a savvy manager with good negotiating skills to make some money.

Yep, there are some smart moves that can be made here.  It would also be beneficial for teams to ad more than just the minimum of 3 riders, as from now on the team scoring depends on the 4 highest ranking riders of each team ( category of rider doesn't matter) A team that would just bet on 1 heavy hitter could come out real bad if their star rider had some bad luck with a season-long injury. Also ladies become a lot more valuable to teams and should hopefully get rewarded for that!

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10/18/2024 5:25pm

Should be mandatory that teams compete in minimum of three categories. Would be great for development to see all the big teams needing to take on a jr male or female.

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Troy confirmed on Canyon for another 2 years. 

 

Hope he cashed in after that win!

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10/19/2024 10:02am

I Think it is a drastic change to go from an absolute criterion to qualify for a WC (40 points) to a relative one (top 50). This change means that qualifying for a WC is not in the rider's hands 100% anymore. It will likely force people to keep entering races to maintain their ranking. It could be great for national/continental racing, but it could be a Nightmare if it just pushes riders out. Is it clear what races would give ranking points apart from a still-smoke-in-the-eyes continental series?

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10/19/2024 10:25am Edited Date/Time 10/20/2024 8:25am

Izabela Yankova is selling a Specialized P3 on her Facebook. I don't know what her current status with the Specialized Gen-S team is right now, but she hasn't had a good year, with her road bike injury in spring, as far as I remember.

Mx

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Izabela Yankova is selling a Specialized P3 on her Facebook. I don't know what her current status with the Specialized Gen-S team is right now, but...

Izabela Yankova is selling a Specialized P3 on her Facebook. I don't know what her current status with the Specialized Gen-S team is right now, but she hasn't had a good year, with her road bike injury in spring, as far as I remember.

Mx

She was still tagging them at the start of September, so hopefully she's just selling because she has a new one. 

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I Think it is a drastic change to go from an absolute criterion to qualify for a WC (40 points) to a relative one (top 50)...

I Think it is a drastic change to go from an absolute criterion to qualify for a WC (40 points) to a relative one (top 50). This change means that qualifying for a WC is not in the rider's hands 100% anymore. It will likely force people to keep entering races to maintain their ranking. It could be great for national/continental racing, but it could be a Nightmare if it just pushes riders out. Is it clear what races would give ranking points apart from a still-smoke-in-the-eyes continental series?

It’s not straight forward as you have to look up each individual race for their status. Crankworx, French Cup and Canada Cup are Classe 1 whereas IXS and British National series are Class 2

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10/19/2024 1:37pm
earleb wrote:
Should be mandatory that teams compete in minimum of three categories. Would be great for development to see all the big teams needing to take on...

Should be mandatory that teams compete in minimum of three categories. Would be great for development to see all the big teams needing to take on a jr male or female.

Surprised this is getting so many downvotes, anyone care to share why they think it's a bad idea?

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10/19/2024 3:18pm
earleb wrote:
Should be mandatory that teams compete in minimum of three categories. Would be great for development to see all the big teams needing to take on...

Should be mandatory that teams compete in minimum of three categories. Would be great for development to see all the big teams needing to take on a jr male or female.

dolface wrote:

Surprised this is getting so many downvotes, anyone care to share why they think it's a bad idea?

I did not down vote, but your proposal is not really possible. There are many bike companies with race teams that do not make gravity bikes and gravity bike companies that don't make XC bikes. 

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earleb wrote:
Should be mandatory that teams compete in minimum of three categories. Would be great for development to see all the big teams needing to take on...

Should be mandatory that teams compete in minimum of three categories. Would be great for development to see all the big teams needing to take on a jr male or female.

dolface wrote:

Surprised this is getting so many downvotes, anyone care to share why they think it's a bad idea?

NJPA Rider wrote:
I did not down vote, but your proposal is not really possible. There are many bike companies with race teams that do not make gravity bikes...

I did not down vote, but your proposal is not really possible. There are many bike companies with race teams that do not make gravity bikes and gravity bike companies that don't make XC bikes. 

Thanks, just realized I mis-read the original post and thought they were suggesting that each team in a given discipline should be required to have at least 1 male and female rider in elites and jrs.

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My comment wasn't a mix of xc and DH or EDR. It was that a DH team would need to cover three of the four categories in DH. One male, one female and say a jr male. Or a team could be Female, Jr Female.and Jr Male. Pick three of four. 

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earleb wrote:
My comment wasn't a mix of xc and DH or EDR. It was that a DH team would need to cover three of the four categories...

My comment wasn't a mix of xc and DH or EDR. It was that a DH team would need to cover three of the four categories in DH. One male, one female and say a jr male. Or a team could be Female, Jr Female.and Jr Male. Pick three of four. 

for that, teams can now cooperate with a satellite development team and use these riders in the world cup too. 

10/20/2024 11:24am Edited Date/Time 10/20/2024 11:26am


Finn Iles on Canyon confirmed.     EDIT: Also bring back the lycra era.

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Finn Iles on Canyon confirmed.     EDIT: Also bring back the lycra era.


Finn Iles on Canyon confirmed.     EDIT: Also bring back the lycra era.

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Reece Wilson in new pinkbike video (advertorial), about belt driven bike prize money. 

No trek kit, just a lotus hat. I'd say it gives even more credibility to the Gamux team rumour. 

https://youtu.be/VZJfXHECfiY?si=XCAj0TI2IT8hl93p

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lol is that from tahnees socials? hope it isnt some weird leaked shit

i dont get why there was nothing 'weird' about the situation when it was kade but now with finn we have broadcast time being committed to it and shots of finn in tahnees kit lol

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