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4/18/2024 3:37pm
sspomer wrote:
sea otter vid from today  

sea otter vid from today

 

That first bike looks sick. 

Is it just me or are idlers getting lower and lower every year? 

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Good move. I have the Enduro Softs on my enduro bike, and the Trail Endurance casings on the trail bike, and would prefer a softer compound...

Good move. I have the Enduro Softs on my enduro bike, and the Trail Endurance casings on the trail bike, and would prefer a softer compound in the front. 

Goodness I ditched a pair of Kryptotals after two rides. The endurance casing has about as much grip as a Maxxis that was left in the sun for three years. 
Only place I can see that endurance compound being useful is Moab. 

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4/18/2024 8:18pm Edited Date/Time 4/18/2024 8:22pm
Good move. I have the Enduro Softs on my enduro bike, and the Trail Endurance casings on the trail bike, and would prefer a softer compound...

Good move. I have the Enduro Softs on my enduro bike, and the Trail Endurance casings on the trail bike, and would prefer a softer compound in the front. 

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Goodness I ditched a pair of Kryptotals after two rides. The endurance casing has about as much grip as a Maxxis that was left in the...

Goodness I ditched a pair of Kryptotals after two rides. The endurance casing has about as much grip as a Maxxis that was left in the sun for three years. 
Only place I can see that endurance compound being useful is Moab. 

@ Smelly, Sounds like a good compound for a rear tire in the Cali summer/Southern Europe conditions. Shaka!

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4/18/2024 9:04pm
sprungmass wrote:
Continental finally releasing soft compound in trail casing. Hopefully super soft in enduro casing is also on the menu.  

Continental finally releasing soft compound in trail casing. Hopefully super soft in enduro casing is also on the menu.

 

Maxxis take notes. We want a 2C in DH and DH casing! 

Make that 3C MaxxGrip in EXO. That's what some of us want. Or a super soft Conti in trail casing. 

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4/18/2024 10:41pm
sprungmass wrote:
Continental finally releasing soft compound in trail casing. Hopefully super soft in enduro casing is also on the menu.  

Continental finally releasing soft compound in trail casing. Hopefully super soft in enduro casing is also on the menu.

 

Maxxis take notes. We want a 2C in DH and DH casing! 

Primoz wrote:

Make that 3C MaxxGrip in EXO. That's what some of us want. Or a super soft Conti in trail casing. 

yeah, Argotal and Kryptotal F both Enduro and trail chasing available in all 3 compounds, and the Rear Krypto and Xynotal in Both soft and hard compound,

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4/18/2024 10:46pm

That is actually coming?

4/18/2024 11:02pm
sprungmass wrote:
Continental finally releasing soft compound in trail casing. Hopefully super soft in enduro casing is also on the menu.  

Continental finally releasing soft compound in trail casing. Hopefully super soft in enduro casing is also on the menu.

 

Maxxis take notes. We want a 2C in DH and DH casing! 

Primoz wrote:

Make that 3C MaxxGrip in EXO. That's what some of us want. Or a super soft Conti in trail casing. 

I thought they already had EXO MaxxGrip though. 

They need to make DH casing in anything but MaxxGrip…

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4/18/2024 11:12pm

As far as I've seen that's only valid for Minion DHF - it comes in EXO MaxxGrip and DH dual compound. And the Aggressor is also available in the later. 

Maybe this has changed lately, but not sure about that. DD casing comes jn MaxxGrip, but it's so daft for all the companies - it doesn't make sense to have a heavier casing with softer compound only, if anything the opposite makes more sense. You put a softer tyre in the front which usually gets away with a lighter casing too. 

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4/18/2024 11:23pm Edited Date/Time 4/18/2024 11:25pm

The Assegai came in EXO+ MaxxGrip guise too for a while now.  This is in addition to the Maxxgrip compounds available on the dual-ply variants.

 

I do agree 100% that softer compounds need to be on single ply variants as well.

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4/19/2024 12:47am

Flight attendants on zeb and coil 

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4/19/2024 3:53am Edited Date/Time 4/19/2024 3:53am
Flight attendants on zeb and coil 

Flight attendants on zeb and coil 

thx, but this has been posted a couple of times now. FA has been seen on every shock and fork (except pike AFAIK) from RS.

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Pike, Lyrik and Zeb were the OG Flight Attendant forks and the basis on which we saw the new Pike and Lyrik chassis and spring before MY23 forks were released if I'm not mistaken.

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4/19/2024 4:27am Edited Date/Time 4/19/2024 4:30am
Primoz wrote:
Pike, Lyrik and Zeb were the OG Flight Attendant forks and the basis on which we saw the new Pike and Lyrik chassis and spring before...

Pike, Lyrik and Zeb were the OG Flight Attendant forks and the basis on which we saw the new Pike and Lyrik chassis and spring before MY23 forks were released if I'm not mistaken.

thx, wasn‘t sure about the pike.

FA isn‘t for me, but interesting development since it‘s going to be on their whole line.

XC always made the most sense to me, we’ll see how it‘s gonna fare in DH.

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4/19/2024 5:49am
sprungmass wrote:
Continental finally releasing soft compound in trail casing. Hopefully super soft in enduro casing is also on the menu.  

Continental finally releasing soft compound in trail casing. Hopefully super soft in enduro casing is also on the menu.

 

Maxxis take notes. We want a 2C in DH and DH casing! 

Primoz wrote:

Make that 3C MaxxGrip in EXO. That's what some of us want. Or a super soft Conti in trail casing. 

Oh, you mean like Minion DHF and DHR combo? We got ‘em: TB00144000 and TB00143900

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I know the DHF comes in EXO and Maxxgrip. What about any other tread patterns? 

4/19/2024 8:31am

is there a tire forum thread

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Primoz wrote:

I know the DHF comes in EXO and Maxxgrip. What about any other tread patterns? 

The DHR2 also comes in Maxxgrip/Exo. That's what Aaron was saying. Model number is TB00143900

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I thought they already had EXO MaxxGrip though. 

They need to make DH casing in anything but MaxxGrip…

Great news! The Assegai, DHF, and DHR2 are all available in a hard compound with DH casing. Maxxis calls it "Dual Compound." All three of those are available in 29 and the DHR2 is also available in a 2.5x27.5. So everybody gets a long wearing, durable rear tire. We just had this discussion (at great length) in the tire forum: https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/tire-chat-nerds-only?page=3#comment…

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4/19/2024 9:52am

I thought they already had EXO MaxxGrip though. 

They need to make DH casing in anything but MaxxGrip…

TEAMROBOT wrote:
Great news! The Assegai, DHF, and DHR2 are all available in a hard compound with DH casing. Maxxis calls it "Dual Compound." All three of those...

Great news! The Assegai, DHF, and DHR2 are all available in a hard compound with DH casing. Maxxis calls it "Dual Compound." All three of those are available in 29 and the DHR2 is also available in a 2.5x27.5. So everybody gets a long wearing, durable rear tire. We just had this discussion (at great length) in the tire forum: https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/tire-chat-nerds-only?page=3#comment…

No shot. Since when? I gotta take a look! 

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4/19/2024 10:08am

There is also a DH Casing MaxxTerra DHR2 since not too long ago in 29 and 27.5

(That E50 Logo is just an allowance to use it on an E-Bike up to 50km/h, thats a legal requirement in Europe)

 

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4/19/2024 10:13am Edited Date/Time 4/22/2024 2:04pm
Flight attendants on zeb and coil 

Flight attendants on zeb and coil 

Yeah a bunch of the Forbidden riders have been running it on a Super Deluxe and Vivid. Released date is unknown.

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I thought they already had EXO MaxxGrip though. 

They need to make DH casing in anything but MaxxGrip…

TEAMROBOT wrote:
Great news! The Assegai, DHF, and DHR2 are all available in a hard compound with DH casing. Maxxis calls it "Dual Compound." All three of those...

Great news! The Assegai, DHF, and DHR2 are all available in a hard compound with DH casing. Maxxis calls it "Dual Compound." All three of those are available in 29 and the DHR2 is also available in a 2.5x27.5. So everybody gets a long wearing, durable rear tire. We just had this discussion (at great length) in the tire forum: https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/tire-chat-nerds-only?page=3#comment…

Maxxis DC is horrific on some surfaces. If you want a long wearing durable tire look at Conti DH casing soft, it'll be way better than Maxxis DC. 

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No shot. Since when? I gotta take a look! 

Angry

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Dave113 wrote:
Maxxis DC is horrific on some surfaces. If you want a long wearing durable tire look at Conti DH casing soft, it'll be way better than...

Maxxis DC is horrific on some surfaces. If you want a long wearing durable tire look at Conti DH casing soft, it'll be way better than Maxxis DC. 

Honest question, what surfaces are you having problems with on Maxxis DC tires? I've been running a Maxxgrip front/DC rear combo for years on in Oregon, Washington, BC, California, Arizona, and Idaho in the sun and rain and haven't had any problems with it as a rear tire*. For a downhill race I'd switch to a Maxxgrip rear for just a little more grip and damping over chatter, but it's not like the bike was unridable with the harder rear tire.

*Of course, dual compound tires should never, ever, ever be mounted as a front tire

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4/19/2024 1:34pm
Dave113 wrote:
Maxxis DC is horrific on some surfaces. If you want a long wearing durable tire look at Conti DH casing soft, it'll be way better than...

Maxxis DC is horrific on some surfaces. If you want a long wearing durable tire look at Conti DH casing soft, it'll be way better than Maxxis DC. 

TEAMROBOT wrote:
Honest question, what surfaces are you having problems with on Maxxis DC tires? I've been running a Maxxgrip front/DC rear combo for years on in Oregon...

Honest question, what surfaces are you having problems with on Maxxis DC tires? I've been running a Maxxgrip front/DC rear combo for years on in Oregon, Washington, BC, California, Arizona, and Idaho in the sun and rain and haven't had any problems with it as a rear tire*. For a downhill race I'd switch to a Maxxgrip rear for just a little more grip and damping over chatter, but it's not like the bike was unridable with the harder rear tire.

*Of course, dual compound tires should never, ever, ever be mounted as a front tire

Certain kinds of rock and most roots, and it all gets much worse if it's wet. There's one local trail (Bitterbrush in Lyons, CO) that's mostly rock and Maxxis DC has no grip on it, and when wet it's scary. To make things worse it's not even that durable, the sideknobs on the Aggressor tires get undercut and start to fold over pretty quickly. 

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Eh, I feel like Kona has been irrelevant for a while and then you have the Kent Outdoors acquisition, all downhill from there. I haven't really...

Eh, I feel like Kona has been irrelevant for a while and then you have the Kent Outdoors acquisition, all downhill from there. I haven't really thought about Konas since seeing the Stinky in like 2012 lol

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They have fallen off the radar pretty hard for the last few years but you cannot deny they weren’t the talk of the town not too...

They have fallen off the radar pretty hard for the last few years but you cannot deny they weren’t the talk of the town not too long ago really. 2013-16 ish with the 153 and 111 everybody (me included) were quite stoked.

It is a total bummer as they were one of the OG gravity brands. I feel like the market is hyper competitive. Your bikes have to...

It is a total bummer as they were one of the OG gravity brands. I feel like the market is hyper competitive. Your bikes have to look awesome, ride awesome, be on the cutting edge, have a cool story, and your brand has to be an excellent story teller to stay relevant in order to achieve long term success. In the last 7-8 years, I felt as if Kona was just riding the wave of tech and innovation vs being the wave. 

They had a big hand is starting the modern geo wave with the Process line, honestly don't understand why they fell off like they did, because the bikes were a ton of fun. 

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4/19/2024 6:47pm

I thought they already had EXO MaxxGrip though. 

They need to make DH casing in anything but MaxxGrip…

TEAMROBOT wrote:
Great news! The Assegai, DHF, and DHR2 are all available in a hard compound with DH casing. Maxxis calls it "Dual Compound." All three of those...

Great news! The Assegai, DHF, and DHR2 are all available in a hard compound with DH casing. Maxxis calls it "Dual Compound." All three of those are available in 29 and the DHR2 is also available in a 2.5x27.5. So everybody gets a long wearing, durable rear tire. We just had this discussion (at great length) in the tire forum: https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/tire-chat-nerds-only?page=3#comment…

Dave113 wrote:
Maxxis DC is horrific on some surfaces. If you want a long wearing durable tire look at Conti DH casing soft, it'll be way better than...

Maxxis DC is horrific on some surfaces. If you want a long wearing durable tire look at Conti DH casing soft, it'll be way better than Maxxis DC. 

As someone who actually likes having to change tires so they can try more different tires, the Conti rear DH soft compounds have been wearing frustratingly (half kidding) slow. Grip is comparable if not better than maxxis maxxterra and the knobs barely show signs of wear after a season of northeast bike park and granite slab riding. Pretty impressive and good for the wallet. Just put a DH casing soft compound argotal on the back of my levo so interested to see how the taller knobs wear.

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