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peecee
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jsray wrote:

So Kona are not what they used to we all know that, basically they were bought by a big corporate company with no vision and are now sold in camping stores in the States.

I chatted to someone who worked there for over 30 years a legit OG Kona employee testing prototypes making cool shit going to the races, trades shows and so on and the new companies suits came along one day late last year and let everyone go just like that! The roots of the company are completely gone not 1 original employee and it’s not for being old or out dated it’s just become a typical money making business without having any soul! 
 

 

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4/18/2024 2:14pm Edited Date/Time 4/18/2024 8:20pm

Kona needs to pull a Marin and focus on the DTC entry level MTB market, commuter eebs, and roadie stuff for a while. Unfortunately, they'll need to trim some SERIOUS fat to make that happen. If you exclude the recent bogo sale, their component spec/cost, has been absolutely horrible lately (like worse than my recent post history on VitalMTB horrible).

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Kona needs to pull a Marin and focus on the DTC entry level MTB market, commuter eebs, and roadie stuff for a while. Unfortunately, they'll need...

Kona needs to pull a Marin and focus on the DTC entry level MTB market, commuter eebs, and roadie stuff for a while. Unfortunately, they'll need to trim some SERIOUS fat to make that happen. If you exclude the recent bogo sale, their component spec/cost, has been absolutely horrible lately (like worse than my recent post history on VitalMTB horrible).

Cross-posting from the "companies shutting down" thread:

Heard from a credible source that Kona is done. Employees told today, PR tomorrow. RIP

(Small chance a buyer will step in but not holding my breath).

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4/18/2024 3:12pm

Imagine not telling anyone until last minute… sending folks to Sea Otter,… releasing a new bike two days ago,…

What the heck?

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4/18/2024 3:29pm
sprungmass wrote:
Continental finally releasing soft compound in trail casing. Hopefully super soft in enduro casing is also on the menu.  

Continental finally releasing soft compound in trail casing. Hopefully super soft in enduro casing is also on the menu.

 

Maxxis take notes. We want a 2C in DH and DH casing! 

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sea otter vid from today

 

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4/18/2024 3:37pm
sspomer wrote:
sea otter vid from today  

sea otter vid from today

 

That first bike looks sick. 

Is it just me or are idlers getting lower and lower every year? 

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4/18/2024 7:28pm
Good move. I have the Enduro Softs on my enduro bike, and the Trail Endurance casings on the trail bike, and would prefer a softer compound...

Good move. I have the Enduro Softs on my enduro bike, and the Trail Endurance casings on the trail bike, and would prefer a softer compound in the front. 

Goodness I ditched a pair of Kryptotals after two rides. The endurance casing has about as much grip as a Maxxis that was left in the sun for three years. 
Only place I can see that endurance compound being useful is Moab. 

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4/18/2024 8:18pm Edited Date/Time 4/18/2024 8:22pm
Good move. I have the Enduro Softs on my enduro bike, and the Trail Endurance casings on the trail bike, and would prefer a softer compound...

Good move. I have the Enduro Softs on my enduro bike, and the Trail Endurance casings on the trail bike, and would prefer a softer compound in the front. 

smelly wrote:
Goodness I ditched a pair of Kryptotals after two rides. The endurance casing has about as much grip as a Maxxis that was left in the...

Goodness I ditched a pair of Kryptotals after two rides. The endurance casing has about as much grip as a Maxxis that was left in the sun for three years. 
Only place I can see that endurance compound being useful is Moab. 

@ Smelly, Sounds like a good compound for a rear tire in the Cali summer/Southern Europe conditions. Shaka!

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sprungmass wrote:
Continental finally releasing soft compound in trail casing. Hopefully super soft in enduro casing is also on the menu.  

Continental finally releasing soft compound in trail casing. Hopefully super soft in enduro casing is also on the menu.

 

Maxxis take notes. We want a 2C in DH and DH casing! 

Make that 3C MaxxGrip in EXO. That's what some of us want. Or a super soft Conti in trail casing. 

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4/18/2024 10:41pm
sprungmass wrote:
Continental finally releasing soft compound in trail casing. Hopefully super soft in enduro casing is also on the menu.  

Continental finally releasing soft compound in trail casing. Hopefully super soft in enduro casing is also on the menu.

 

Maxxis take notes. We want a 2C in DH and DH casing! 

Primoz wrote:

Make that 3C MaxxGrip in EXO. That's what some of us want. Or a super soft Conti in trail casing. 

yeah, Argotal and Kryptotal F both Enduro and trail chasing available in all 3 compounds, and the Rear Krypto and Xynotal in Both soft and hard compound,

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That is actually coming?

4/18/2024 11:02pm
sprungmass wrote:
Continental finally releasing soft compound in trail casing. Hopefully super soft in enduro casing is also on the menu.  

Continental finally releasing soft compound in trail casing. Hopefully super soft in enduro casing is also on the menu.

 

Maxxis take notes. We want a 2C in DH and DH casing! 

Primoz wrote:

Make that 3C MaxxGrip in EXO. That's what some of us want. Or a super soft Conti in trail casing. 

I thought they already had EXO MaxxGrip though. 

They need to make DH casing in anything but MaxxGrip…

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As far as I've seen that's only valid for Minion DHF - it comes in EXO MaxxGrip and DH dual compound. And the Aggressor is also available in the later. 

Maybe this has changed lately, but not sure about that. DD casing comes jn MaxxGrip, but it's so daft for all the companies - it doesn't make sense to have a heavier casing with softer compound only, if anything the opposite makes more sense. You put a softer tyre in the front which usually gets away with a lighter casing too. 

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4/18/2024 11:23pm Edited Date/Time 4/18/2024 11:25pm

The Assegai came in EXO+ MaxxGrip guise too for a while now.  This is in addition to the Maxxgrip compounds available on the dual-ply variants.

 

I do agree 100% that softer compounds need to be on single ply variants as well.

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Flight attendants on zeb and coil 

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4/19/2024 3:53am Edited Date/Time 4/19/2024 3:53am
Flight attendants on zeb and coil 

Flight attendants on zeb and coil 

thx, but this has been posted a couple of times now. FA has been seen on every shock and fork (except pike AFAIK) from RS.

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Pike, Lyrik and Zeb were the OG Flight Attendant forks and the basis on which we saw the new Pike and Lyrik chassis and spring before MY23 forks were released if I'm not mistaken.

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4/19/2024 4:27am Edited Date/Time 4/19/2024 4:30am
Primoz wrote:
Pike, Lyrik and Zeb were the OG Flight Attendant forks and the basis on which we saw the new Pike and Lyrik chassis and spring before...

Pike, Lyrik and Zeb were the OG Flight Attendant forks and the basis on which we saw the new Pike and Lyrik chassis and spring before MY23 forks were released if I'm not mistaken.

thx, wasn‘t sure about the pike.

FA isn‘t for me, but interesting development since it‘s going to be on their whole line.

XC always made the most sense to me, we’ll see how it‘s gonna fare in DH.

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4/19/2024 5:49am
sprungmass wrote:
Continental finally releasing soft compound in trail casing. Hopefully super soft in enduro casing is also on the menu.  

Continental finally releasing soft compound in trail casing. Hopefully super soft in enduro casing is also on the menu.

 

Maxxis take notes. We want a 2C in DH and DH casing! 

Primoz wrote:

Make that 3C MaxxGrip in EXO. That's what some of us want. Or a super soft Conti in trail casing. 

Oh, you mean like Minion DHF and DHR combo? We got ‘em: TB00144000 and TB00143900

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I know the DHF comes in EXO and Maxxgrip. What about any other tread patterns? 

4/19/2024 8:31am

is there a tire forum thread

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Primoz wrote:

I know the DHF comes in EXO and Maxxgrip. What about any other tread patterns? 

The DHR2 also comes in Maxxgrip/Exo. That's what Aaron was saying. Model number is TB00143900

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I thought they already had EXO MaxxGrip though. 

They need to make DH casing in anything but MaxxGrip…

Great news! The Assegai, DHF, and DHR2 are all available in a hard compound with DH casing. Maxxis calls it "Dual Compound." All three of those are available in 29 and the DHR2 is also available in a 2.5x27.5. So everybody gets a long wearing, durable rear tire. We just had this discussion (at great length) in the tire forum: https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/tire-chat-nerds-only?page=3#comment…

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I thought they already had EXO MaxxGrip though. 

They need to make DH casing in anything but MaxxGrip…

TEAMROBOT wrote:
Great news! The Assegai, DHF, and DHR2 are all available in a hard compound with DH casing. Maxxis calls it "Dual Compound." All three of those...

Great news! The Assegai, DHF, and DHR2 are all available in a hard compound with DH casing. Maxxis calls it "Dual Compound." All three of those are available in 29 and the DHR2 is also available in a 2.5x27.5. So everybody gets a long wearing, durable rear tire. We just had this discussion (at great length) in the tire forum: https://www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/tire-chat-nerds-only?page=3#comment…

No shot. Since when? I gotta take a look! 

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4/19/2024 10:08am

There is also a DH Casing MaxxTerra DHR2 since not too long ago in 29 and 27.5

(That E50 Logo is just an allowance to use it on an E-Bike up to 50km/h, thats a legal requirement in Europe)

 

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4/19/2024 10:13am Edited Date/Time 4/22/2024 2:04pm
Flight attendants on zeb and coil 

Flight attendants on zeb and coil 

Yeah a bunch of the Forbidden riders have been running it on a Super Deluxe and Vivid. Released date is unknown.

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