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AFAIK, the geo is still under wraps, only the colors were leaked
I've seen the geo chart and all of the press materials. There's no S, M, L, now it's S2,S3, etc. From memory, the S3 is something like a 471 reach and the S4 is 490-something. My V1 Large is 484 which is perfect. The other geo (head angle, rear center, stack, etc.) is basically identical. It's a 4 bar design now too like the Druid V2. Shock size and seat post diameter are both the same which is nice. No major changes, I don't see much of a reason to upgrade but I guess I'll wait for some reviews
Size 3 is 471 (Mullet) and 475 (29¨)
471mm reach on a mullet sounds dialed for being 5'10.
Man… a difference in reach of 10 or so mm is really a deal breaker?
Wild.
Gotta take everything said here with a grain of salt, after all these are rumors
The criticism here isn't that the frame broke; in the XC race market, if your frame can survive a decent huck to flat with a dad-bod on it, that means your frame is heavier than it needs to be. The criticism is the damage control instead of just addressing it. "Ya, we had a frame break. We wish it didn't happen, but sometimes it does. We stand behind our frames and our warranty"
With all the sales going on (Specialized Status frame + shock for $750, for instance), I've been worried that bikes are getting too affordable. When I show up at the Corner Canyon trailhead to ride IMBA blues with the lads, I need my long travel enduro bike to be more expensive than the other mid-level engineers and managers. I hope this ochain uses electronics and accelerometers to "know" when you're pedaling or not, so it can lock out the spider while pedaling and allow the float only during coasting.
A centimeter is a huge difference in reach IMO. If the next generation of my favorite bike grew by 10 mm, I would probably hate the change.
Exactly. 10mm of reach is a massive difference
Not a rumor. The S3 has a 471 reach as a mullet. 475 29/29. Like I said, this info is from the press kit
Good to know, I'm currently on the S3 MX Druid V2 and the fit is pretty good, I'm right about 6' - 6'1
The chainstays even at static on the dread v2 are looong. The S4 is 475 rear center at static before they grow going into the travel!
So many comments recently with people being overly pedantic about reach numbers. (Not just here).
10mm is literally nothing. Swap a 50mm and 40mm stem , get narrower or wider bars, try a different back sweep. Get thinner or thicker grips, bar roll stem spacers, adjust your cleat position etc. Hell, the hand position difference between single collar lock on grips and double collar probably changes your torso position as much.
Reach is just one aspect of bike fit. Writing something off because the reach isn't exactly a perceived magic number by 10mm without trying it is very close minded and really not a tech or innovation rumour
Stem length also affects much more than just reach. Can have a massive change on steering feel depending on fork offset
I think you need to look up the definition of “literally.”
A 10 mm difference in reach is tangible whether you want to admit it or not. If you’re anal about your set up, different handlebars, stems, and grips will take time to get used to. I will concede that writing off a bike because of a 1 cm difference is a bit extreme, but it’s definitely something that takes time getting used to.
if you can’t demo a bike, it can be a big gamble. I’m 6’2”. The way reach numbers are going these days, I’m never sure if a large or an extra large is going to be ideal for me.
Vorsprung teasing the new shock
Why would they? The Dominion started with bold claims that Hayes is really coming back to the brake game, at first sales were so-so, but then i guess the first users started raving about them and after some time we really started seeing them regularly. Great brake at a regular price - what more could you want? They need years to prototype something significantly better, but it will probably cost more, so there’s no point!
Everything Geo related is a compromise. Ride a different stem/bar/spacer setup 2 times and it doesn't feel "massively" different anymore. If it still feels bad after 2 rides, revert back and keep searching for the perfect mass produced frame that's absolutely tailor made for just you.
The amount of whinging about brake modulation, tire carcass feel, and geo specs in this thread is ridiculous.
1,000% of non-pro riders are holding the bike back from its true potential, not the other way around. At least Moto guys own it when they're an anal "Vet Rider," who can never stop tinkering. Over here, the bike is the problem, and it's definitely not "proggressive" enough, lol. JFC!
Not all pros are anal and picky about their setup and just ride what they get. They are simply fast. Some need to tinker to hell and back. It's the same with average riders, some thinker and some just ride.
There is no sense to bemoan people that take a different approach to riding. As long as they articulate their feelings and can defend them rationally, it's all good in my book. Same goes for the Yeti vs. Specialized choice, if you can defend the choice of the Yeti by saying "I want what I want" it's much better than saying "I can't ride a bike if it's not a Yeti because they are the best bar none".
Find out what makes you tick, adjust and act accordingly and don't be a dick about it and let other people do the same.
I happen to own a coil shock with 4 different coils. 2 progressive springs, and one straight rate spring, I'll probably never use again because I found "the one." ... But I also like being dick sometimes, and I feel like this thread gets derailed way too easily with the same off topic discussions over and over.
You'd all be better off doing pushups, squats in the gym or actual training drills on the bike than worry about 10mm in reach
For a 10mm reach increase on a 1250mm wheelbase (445 chainstays) we're talking about a change in weight bias of 1.81 to 1.83 or or 1.1% so for a 80kg rider an increase of approx 1kg of rider weight on the bars to support.
I doubt anyone in a double blind could tell the difference of 10mm reach between bikes.
I'd wager you start to notice at 20mm plus
I’ve begun to notice that by and large (with some exceptions) the relationship between the number of people who over analyze bike suspension/geo and are always fiddling with gear is inversely proportional to the number of people who are talented riders.
reach changes about 20 to 25mm between sizes. If you truly are sensitive to it by feel, that might be annoying if it puts you right between sizes. Choose another brand if thats the case but for every person that puts off, its brought another rider in.
also remember reach is measured to the top of the head tube.
a 120 head tube plus 30mm stem spacers vs a 150 head tube with slammed stem is going to, with everything else on the geo chart and every other component being equal, be ~10mm shorter and otherwise identical.
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28h straight pull is an immediate disqualifier. Unfortunate.
Maybe trying to meet a weight goal? At this point it feels like some of these production "enduro" wheels are more suited to the trailbike market than they are bigger bikes.
That price too, ouch. $1600, why would anyone buy these over WAO at that cost?
The same people that loose their marbles over 10mm in reach probably check their tire and shock pressure like once a month lol.
people shrink probably like 10 mil over the course of a day from when they wake up to when they go to bed. Riding a bike with suspension down a mountain is such a dynamic/changing situation. As long as reach is even remotely close to recommended you’ll be fine.
No thats a new headset for internally routed cables