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3/26/2024 10:22am

PB just dropped their review of the dual crown Selva, the "Formula Belva"

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/review-formula-belva-dual-crown-enduro-fo…

The TLDR:  "But the coil negative spring lets it down. For heavier riders like me, the extra air pressure creates an abrupt feel on touchdown, forcing...

The TLDR: 

"But the coil negative spring lets it down. For heavier riders like me, the extra air pressure creates an abrupt feel on touchdown, forcing me to compromise on support. For lighter riders, the spring should work well, but then the rebound could become too slow."

 

As soon as I saw that it uses a negative coil spring that was non-adjustable I knew it wasn't going to be worth getting. Unless you are at the exact intended body weight, you won't get full travel or you will get a harsh topout, as the reviewer found. He compensated by running less pressure and more compression, but it also appears the rebound is too aggressive, so even fully open it was too slow. Shame, the chassis looks promising. Doesn't Formula offer custom shim stacks that are user-install friendly? Perhaps that combined with a coil conversion kit could make this thing come alive.  

HexonJuan wrote:

Coil negative springs are bad engineering at this point. Coil negative springs only available in one weight is just sloppy customer care. 

Not necessarily, there are clever ways to avoid their short comings while still utilizing their benefits. Unfortunately this design falls short of that though. 

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3/26/2024 10:25am Edited Date/Time 3/26/2024 10:25am
Rick26 wrote:
Rocky Mountain are doing full SRAM builds since T-Type, go check 2024 Instinct builds. RM are also associated with IFHT films (Mahalo) so it's not that...

Rocky Mountain are doing full SRAM builds since T-Type, go check 2024 Instinct builds.

RM are also associated with IFHT films (Mahalo) so it's not that unlikely that a new promo video for the 2024 Altitude will be made by them.

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New Spindrift? I've been expecting it for a long time. But based on the ongoing sales since rampage, they probably overstocked the current version quite significantly...

New Spindrift? I've been expecting it for a long time. But based on the ongoing sales since rampage, they probably overstocked the current version quite significantly and had to get rid of that first.

In their instagram video I believe they said it's the Tyee.

A few weeks ago I asked Propane if they were going to spec the Vivid on a frame only and they said keep an eye on the site for changes. I suspect that was a hint at a new one?

3/26/2024 10:43am
mntnmrtn wrote:
  Looks like the new Marzocchi 38 chassis is close to being unveiled.

 

Looks like the new Marzocchi 38 chassis is close to being unveiled.

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bikelurker wrote:

Definitelly looks like a 2way compresion dial on that photo, the other ones were edited/blacked out it seems

Looks like it, but at the same time the Fit Grip sticker is on the bottom, that's a single adjust damper. 

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3/26/2024 11:10am Edited Date/Time 3/26/2024 11:11am
Looks like the new Scalpel is dropping, but either it shouldn't be on the homepage yet or they forgot to unlock the article  

Looks like the new Scalpel is dropping, but either it shouldn't be on the homepage yet or they forgot to unlock the article

 

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They must be late since PB already published their article

 

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/first-ride-2024-cannondale-scalpel.html

I think I found the reason why:  "there was an incident that ended the ride prematurely for another journalist. This particular rider, who weighs in the...

I think I found the reason why: 

"there was an incident that ended the ride prematurely for another journalist. This particular rider, who weighs in the neighborhood of 190 lb (86 kg) went a little deep off a 5-foot rock drop, and the resulting landing force ended up snapping the frame at the seat tube near the shock mount area" -PB, on their Scalpel article

Yeti was taking pot shots at the scalpel too in a few of their new asr adds Screenshot 20240325 180654 Chrome.jpg?VersionId=diKr7T9MrldeyNDdxIB4.GaubkvoSaddsScreenshot 20240325 180644 Chromemage widgetimage widget

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3/26/2024 11:53am
bermed wrote:
So is the new Fox fork chassis incoming imminently? This is a GMBN journalist.

So is the new Fox fork chassis incoming imminently? This is a GMBN journalist.Screenshot 2024-03-21 at 9.11.41%E2%80%AFAM

Chassis are censored because, colors. 

Sounds like Sea Otter is the release.

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In their instagram video I believe they said it's the Tyee. A few weeks ago I asked Propane if they were going to spec the Vivid on a...

In their instagram video I believe they said it's the Tyee.

A few weeks ago I asked Propane if they were going to spec the Vivid on a frame only and they said keep an eye on the site for changes. I suspect that was a hint at a new one?

Some time ago , I asked the compatibility of the tyee with a vivid air or ext aria , and they told me that neither of the two fits. Maybe it’s valid only for the S size 🤔

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3/26/2024 1:46pm
Eae903 wrote:
Yeti was taking pot shots at the scalpel too in a few of their new asr adds addsmage widgetimage widget

Yeti was taking pot shots at the scalpel too in a few of their new asr adds Screenshot 20240325 180654 Chrome.jpg?VersionId=diKr7T9MrldeyNDdxIB4.GaubkvoSaddsScreenshot 20240325 180644 Chromemage widgetimage widget

To be fair, they also had ads referencing the Santa Cruz Blur and Specialized Epic.

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New Spindrift? I've been expecting it for a long time. But based on the ongoing sales since rampage, they probably overstocked the current version quite significantly...

New Spindrift? I've been expecting it for a long time. But based on the ongoing sales since rampage, they probably overstocked the current version quite significantly and had to get rid of that first.

Primoz wrote:
Or Tyee with a Zeb? Shape looks similar. 

Or Tyee with a Zeb? Shape looks similar. 

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Not sure I could tell them apart from that picture and I ride a Hugene. 

You can’t because it’s a tyee, they even say that on the insta post or YouTube don’t remember 

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3/26/2024 3:08pm

Yeti: you just aren’t that guy. Stop it. 

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Trocko wrote:

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Did you get that for ordering directly from them? As a o-chain fan in excited to see what this is and hope as a multiple purchaser I can also have a 'crafted offer'... 😅

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3/26/2024 7:25pm
Trocko wrote:

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O1D4 wrote:
Did you get that for ordering directly from them? As a o-chain fan in excited to see what this is and hope as a multiple purchaser...

Did you get that for ordering directly from them? As a o-chain fan in excited to see what this is and hope as a multiple purchaser I can also have a 'crafted offer'... 😅

I’m interested in what this could be.  I wonder if it’s a full new device?

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3/27/2024 12:20am
Trocko wrote:

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O1D4 wrote:
Did you get that for ordering directly from them? As a o-chain fan in excited to see what this is and hope as a multiple purchaser...

Did you get that for ordering directly from them? As a o-chain fan in excited to see what this is and hope as a multiple purchaser I can also have a 'crafted offer'... 😅

That’s just their regular mailing list. I never ordered from them and also got that mail.

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3/27/2024 1:01am Edited Date/Time 3/27/2024 1:02am

I got a new ochain recently and asked about what the new version will do and got the answer that the new models have been completely overhauled and they have solved some of the problems that the current models had, whether it was the four locking screws, maintenance or dirt getting in. And it will only come in the versions that are currently discounted, so SRAM, Shimano and RaceFace.

So probably nothing groundbreaking, just improvements.

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3/27/2024 6:02am

To anyone saying that Lewis brakes are trickstuff clones...You say that because their look or the tech? Lewis patented their own adjustments systems. Take a look at Radic kaha and 612 brakes. For me those are sane kind of ripoff too with just visual differences. 

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3/27/2024 6:11am
Looks like the new Scalpel is dropping, but either it shouldn't be on the homepage yet or they forgot to unlock the article  

Looks like the new Scalpel is dropping, but either it shouldn't be on the homepage yet or they forgot to unlock the article

 

image-20240326093800-1image-20240326093809-2

They must be late since PB already published their article

 

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/first-ride-2024-cannondale-scalpel.html

I think I found the reason why:  "there was an incident that ended the ride prematurely for another journalist. This particular rider, who weighs in the...

I think I found the reason why: 

"there was an incident that ended the ride prematurely for another journalist. This particular rider, who weighs in the neighborhood of 190 lb (86 kg) went a little deep off a 5-foot rock drop, and the resulting landing force ended up snapping the frame at the seat tube near the shock mount area" -PB, on their Scalpel article

If you read the pb article now they upped the weight to 220 lbs. seems a bit fishy

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3/27/2024 6:33am

If you read the pb article now they upped the weight to 220 lbs. seems a bit fishy

Cannondale doing some damage control.

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The TLDR:  "But the coil negative spring lets it down. For heavier riders like me, the extra air pressure creates an abrupt feel on touchdown, forcing...

The TLDR: 

"But the coil negative spring lets it down. For heavier riders like me, the extra air pressure creates an abrupt feel on touchdown, forcing me to compromise on support. For lighter riders, the spring should work well, but then the rebound could become too slow."

 

As soon as I saw that it uses a negative coil spring that was non-adjustable I knew it wasn't going to be worth getting. Unless you are at the exact intended body weight, you won't get full travel or you will get a harsh topout, as the reviewer found. He compensated by running less pressure and more compression, but it also appears the rebound is too aggressive, so even fully open it was too slow. Shame, the chassis looks promising. Doesn't Formula offer custom shim stacks that are user-install friendly? Perhaps that combined with a coil conversion kit could make this thing come alive.  

HexonJuan wrote:

Coil negative springs are bad engineering at this point. Coil negative springs only available in one weight is just sloppy customer care. 

Goon City wrote:

Not necessarily, there are clever ways to avoid their short comings while still utilizing their benefits. Unfortunately this design falls short of that though. 

Sure, sure. But if a co doesn't cater to more than Typical Male measurements, a lot of the potential market will not be served well by the product. Maybe bad is an overstatement, but it certainly is an incomplete assignment.

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3/27/2024 7:03am

If you read the pb article now they upped the weight to 220 lbs. seems a bit fishy

Cannondale doing some damage control.

Robert from The Loam Wolf here. I was the one who broke the Scalpel, and I’m not surprised I did - overshot the landing of a large jump for an XC bike, landing in the pocket between the landing and the flat ground after it. Huge bottom out.

I corrected Kaz at Pinkbike’s quote - he had flatteringly guessed me to be 190lbs, whereas I am 220lbs. Nothing fishy. 
 

I wholeheartedly believe the Scalpel is fit for purpose and that it was my fault! Was having far too much fun and got carried away.

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3/27/2024 7:03am
Eae903 wrote:
Yeti was taking pot shots at the scalpel too in a few of their new asr adds addsmage widgetimage widget

Yeti was taking pot shots at the scalpel too in a few of their new asr adds Screenshot 20240325 180654 Chrome.jpg?VersionId=diKr7T9MrldeyNDdxIB4.GaubkvoSaddsScreenshot 20240325 180644 Chromemage widgetimage widget

At first glance I thought the ASR was pretty slick, I'm in the market for a new 120ish full suspension frame this year and It's nice to have so many good options.  I get the Cheeky marketing from them, poking fun at the competitors, but then I started thinking, there's no reason I would pick the ASR over the Epic 8.  They are comparable in a lot of ways but Specialized was able to achieve their low frame weight AND add SWAT storage.  I realize in-frame storage might not be important to XC racers but having owned a frame with SWAT, I love it.  As a lot of these new-age XC bikes become so similar it's little details that will set them apart.  I guess I'm just curious why someone would choose the ASR over the Epic 8.  Turquoise color option?  

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Spotted Rhys on the new dread on IG

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Spotted Rhys on the new dread on IG

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Spotted Rhys on the new dread on IG

I thought I saw guy riding a white one in the same story as well? (Right side outside of the snip) 

3/27/2024 7:23am Edited Date/Time 3/27/2024 7:24am
Spotted Rhys on the new dread on IG

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Spotted Rhys on the new dread on IG

JCordell wrote:

I thought I saw guy riding a white one in the same story as well? (Right side outside of the snip) 

Nah that bike you're seeing on the right side of that same clip is Emmy Lan on the druid v2 in the new lilac color way, it's a very whitish pink, I'm really not a fan

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3/27/2024 7:34am
Eae903 wrote:
Yeti was taking pot shots at the scalpel too in a few of their new asr adds addsmage widgetimage widget

Yeti was taking pot shots at the scalpel too in a few of their new asr adds Screenshot 20240325 180654 Chrome.jpg?VersionId=diKr7T9MrldeyNDdxIB4.GaubkvoSaddsScreenshot 20240325 180644 Chromemage widgetimage widget

At first glance I thought the ASR was pretty slick, I'm in the market for a new 120ish full suspension frame this year and It's nice...

At first glance I thought the ASR was pretty slick, I'm in the market for a new 120ish full suspension frame this year and It's nice to have so many good options.  I get the Cheeky marketing from them, poking fun at the competitors, but then I started thinking, there's no reason I would pick the ASR over the Epic 8.  They are comparable in a lot of ways but Specialized was able to achieve their low frame weight AND add SWAT storage.  I realize in-frame storage might not be important to XC racers but having owned a frame with SWAT, I love it.  As a lot of these new-age XC bikes become so similar it's little details that will set them apart.  I guess I'm just curious why someone would choose the ASR over the Epic 8.  Turquoise color option?  

I don't really care about in-frame storage and if my local bike shop carried Yeti but not Spesh (which is actually the case), I would happily stick with supporting my LBS over getting a SWAT box.

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Nah that bike you're seeing on the right side of that same clip is Emmy Lan on the druid v2 in the new lilac color way...

Nah that bike you're seeing on the right side of that same clip is Emmy Lan on the druid v2 in the new lilac color way, it's a very whitish pink, I'm really not a fan

Ah thanks! I should have looked closer

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Eae903 wrote:
Yeti was taking pot shots at the scalpel too in a few of their new asr adds addsmage widgetimage widget

Yeti was taking pot shots at the scalpel too in a few of their new asr adds Screenshot 20240325 180654 Chrome.jpg?VersionId=diKr7T9MrldeyNDdxIB4.GaubkvoSaddsScreenshot 20240325 180644 Chromemage widgetimage widget

At first glance I thought the ASR was pretty slick, I'm in the market for a new 120ish full suspension frame this year and It's nice...

At first glance I thought the ASR was pretty slick, I'm in the market for a new 120ish full suspension frame this year and It's nice to have so many good options.  I get the Cheeky marketing from them, poking fun at the competitors, but then I started thinking, there's no reason I would pick the ASR over the Epic 8.  They are comparable in a lot of ways but Specialized was able to achieve their low frame weight AND add SWAT storage.  I realize in-frame storage might not be important to XC racers but having owned a frame with SWAT, I love it.  As a lot of these new-age XC bikes become so similar it's little details that will set them apart.  I guess I'm just curious why someone would choose the ASR over the Epic 8.  Turquoise color option?  

Yeah, and the prestige of owning a Yeti, and just other little factors, like geo and all of that. Nothing wrong with having brand preferences IMO, ride what you wasn't, not every choice has to be made with value in mind. 

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3/27/2024 9:50am

Anyone know if Hayes will be updating the A4? There are good sales happening right now.

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3/27/2024 9:58am
bermed wrote:

Anyone know if Hayes will be updating the A4? There are good sales happening right now.

They have sales every other month for 25% off. Unless it's a super-duper sale, it's the same old thing...

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3/27/2024 10:49am
Spotted Rhys on the new dread on IG

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Spotted Rhys on the new dread on IG

I wish I wasn't between sizes on the V2. Love my V1

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I wish I wasn't between sizes on the V2. Love my V1

What's the V2 geo??

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