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12/6/2023 3:01am Edited Date/Time 12/6/2023 3:35am

No, they do NOT have brake by wire in F1. They have standard hydraulic brakes with no boosters even, like most racecars. The caveat here is they use a Moog valve to modulate (remove) hydraulic pressure from the rear brakes, controlled by the ECU, to feed in the energy recovery and keep the overall braking forces and thus brake balance. Just throwing in energy recovery or removing rear hydraulic brakes would throw the balance front and back wildly and unpredictably.

Coincidentally, there have been failures on these systems, causing drivers to spin off the track (balance issues) and the first systems were notoriously finicky and not calibrated 100 %, causing some drivers issues with brake feel (some drivers are really in tune with what the car is working, so much so that changing the concept of the steering system can make or break a driver's performance).

As for Porsche being drive by wire on the steering, no, 991 introduced EPAS, electric power assisted steering, while 997 still kept hydraulic power assist. EPAS is getting more and more common as it doesn't have a hydraulic pump running all the time thus saving energy. The problem is with feel (Chris Harris drove the Singer Porsche just after 991s came out and said (paraphrasing) 'if you don't like EPAS, don't drive the Singer as the level of feel on the hydraulic Singer will make you hate EPAS even more'. And Porsche is touted to be by far the best in the EPAS game. But EPAS itself is nothing new, cars have been using it since the early 2000s at least (2nd gen Fiat Punto for sure), if not even longer.

Steer by wire means you have only a sensor on the steering wheel controlling an electric motor driving the steering rack, no mechanical connection between the wheel and the rack. With hydraulic or electric power assist you still have the steering shaft connecting the two. Same for braking, there's an actuator building the hydraulic pressure to clamp the brake discs in the calipers. Throttle by wire has been a constant for well over 20 years, replacing the cable actuated throttle valves with an actuator driven throttle valve and a potentiometer on the throttle pedal telling the ECU how much power is requested.

Fun fact, Ford GT still has a hydraulic steering rack as they use the hydraulic pump for the adjustable suspension system with adaptable ride height as well, thus making it worthwhile even though it consumes more fuel.

 

Now, back to rumors.

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12/6/2023 3:22am

The Manitou Mezzer is still on sale at 40% off. Still no news or rumors about a gen2 or a dc-version? Smile

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12/6/2023 3:27am
Primoz wrote:
No, they do NOT have brake by wire in F1. They have standard hydraulic brakes with no boosters even, like most racecars. The caveat here is...

No, they do NOT have brake by wire in F1. They have standard hydraulic brakes with no boosters even, like most racecars. The caveat here is they use a Moog valve to modulate (remove) hydraulic pressure from the rear brakes, controlled by the ECU, to feed in the energy recovery and keep the overall braking forces and thus brake balance. Just throwing in energy recovery or removing rear hydraulic brakes would throw the balance front and back wildly and unpredictably.

Coincidentally, there have been failures on these systems, causing drivers to spin off the track (balance issues) and the first systems were notoriously finicky and not calibrated 100 %, causing some drivers issues with brake feel (some drivers are really in tune with what the car is working, so much so that changing the concept of the steering system can make or break a driver's performance).

As for Porsche being drive by wire on the steering, no, 991 introduced EPAS, electric power assisted steering, while 997 still kept hydraulic power assist. EPAS is getting more and more common as it doesn't have a hydraulic pump running all the time thus saving energy. The problem is with feel (Chris Harris drove the Singer Porsche just after 991s came out and said (paraphrasing) 'if you don't like EPAS, don't drive the Singer as the level of feel on the hydraulic Singer will make you hate EPAS even more'. And Porsche is touted to be by far the best in the EPAS game. But EPAS itself is nothing new, cars have been using it since the early 2000s at least (2nd gen Fiat Punto for sure), if not even longer.

Steer by wire means you have only a sensor on the steering wheel controlling an electric motor driving the steering rack, no mechanical connection between the wheel and the rack. With hydraulic or electric power assist you still have the steering shaft connecting the two. Same for braking, there's an actuator building the hydraulic pressure to clamp the brake discs in the calipers. Throttle by wire has been a constant for well over 20 years, replacing the cable actuated throttle valves with an actuator driven throttle valve and a potentiometer on the throttle pedal telling the ECU how much power is requested.

Fun fact, Ford GT still has a hydraulic steering rack as they use the hydraulic pump for the adjustable suspension system with adaptable ride height as well, thus making it worthwhile even though it consumes more fuel.

 

Now, back to rumors.

EPAS is slightly more efficient than hydraulic steering, removes the need for power steering fluid (which is flammable) and is necessary for most lane keep assist systems.  

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12/6/2023 4:16am

None of the cars are running wireLESS electric brakes or steering or whatever.

 


 

 

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12/6/2023 7:07am

The Manitou Mezzer is still on sale at 40% off. Still no news or rumors about a gen2 or a dc-version? Smile

I’ve been wondering about that myself. I honestly don’t know what the market would be for a DC Mezzer, but they already have stanchions and dampers. Machining lightweight crowns for a DC Mezzer seems like a fairly low cost experiment.

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12/6/2023 7:51am
Primoz wrote:
No, they do NOT have brake by wire in F1. They have standard hydraulic brakes with no boosters even, like most racecars. The caveat here is...

No, they do NOT have brake by wire in F1. They have standard hydraulic brakes with no boosters even, like most racecars. The caveat here is they use a Moog valve to modulate (remove) hydraulic pressure from the rear brakes, controlled by the ECU, to feed in the energy recovery and keep the overall braking forces and thus brake balance. Just throwing in energy recovery or removing rear hydraulic brakes would throw the balance front and back wildly and unpredictably.

Coincidentally, there have been failures on these systems, causing drivers to spin off the track (balance issues) and the first systems were notoriously finicky and not calibrated 100 %, causing some drivers issues with brake feel (some drivers are really in tune with what the car is working, so much so that changing the concept of the steering system can make or break a driver's performance).

As for Porsche being drive by wire on the steering, no, 991 introduced EPAS, electric power assisted steering, while 997 still kept hydraulic power assist. EPAS is getting more and more common as it doesn't have a hydraulic pump running all the time thus saving energy. The problem is with feel (Chris Harris drove the Singer Porsche just after 991s came out and said (paraphrasing) 'if you don't like EPAS, don't drive the Singer as the level of feel on the hydraulic Singer will make you hate EPAS even more'. And Porsche is touted to be by far the best in the EPAS game. But EPAS itself is nothing new, cars have been using it since the early 2000s at least (2nd gen Fiat Punto for sure), if not even longer.

Steer by wire means you have only a sensor on the steering wheel controlling an electric motor driving the steering rack, no mechanical connection between the wheel and the rack. With hydraulic or electric power assist you still have the steering shaft connecting the two. Same for braking, there's an actuator building the hydraulic pressure to clamp the brake discs in the calipers. Throttle by wire has been a constant for well over 20 years, replacing the cable actuated throttle valves with an actuator driven throttle valve and a potentiometer on the throttle pedal telling the ECU how much power is requested.

Fun fact, Ford GT still has a hydraulic steering rack as they use the hydraulic pump for the adjustable suspension system with adaptable ride height as well, thus making it worthwhile even though it consumes more fuel.

 

Now, back to rumors.

GM is right up there with electric steering. At this point hydraulic does have more feel, but EPAS in Porsche and GM communicate well enough. Throttle House picked the Camaro's steering as their preference in an ideal sports car, fwiw. 

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12/6/2023 8:37am Edited Date/Time 12/6/2023 8:37am
Primoz wrote:
No, they do NOT have brake by wire in F1. They have standard hydraulic brakes with no boosters even, like most racecars. The caveat here is...

No, they do NOT have brake by wire in F1. They have standard hydraulic brakes with no boosters even, like most racecars. The caveat here is they use a Moog valve to modulate (remove) hydraulic pressure from the rear brakes, controlled by the ECU, to feed in the energy recovery and keep the overall braking forces and thus brake balance. Just throwing in energy recovery or removing rear hydraulic brakes would throw the balance front and back wildly and unpredictably.

Coincidentally, there have been failures on these systems, causing drivers to spin off the track (balance issues) and the first systems were notoriously finicky and not calibrated 100 %, causing some drivers issues with brake feel (some drivers are really in tune with what the car is working, so much so that changing the concept of the steering system can make or break a driver's performance).

As for Porsche being drive by wire on the steering, no, 991 introduced EPAS, electric power assisted steering, while 997 still kept hydraulic power assist. EPAS is getting more and more common as it doesn't have a hydraulic pump running all the time thus saving energy. The problem is with feel (Chris Harris drove the Singer Porsche just after 991s came out and said (paraphrasing) 'if you don't like EPAS, don't drive the Singer as the level of feel on the hydraulic Singer will make you hate EPAS even more'. And Porsche is touted to be by far the best in the EPAS game. But EPAS itself is nothing new, cars have been using it since the early 2000s at least (2nd gen Fiat Punto for sure), if not even longer.

Steer by wire means you have only a sensor on the steering wheel controlling an electric motor driving the steering rack, no mechanical connection between the wheel and the rack. With hydraulic or electric power assist you still have the steering shaft connecting the two. Same for braking, there's an actuator building the hydraulic pressure to clamp the brake discs in the calipers. Throttle by wire has been a constant for well over 20 years, replacing the cable actuated throttle valves with an actuator driven throttle valve and a potentiometer on the throttle pedal telling the ECU how much power is requested.

Fun fact, Ford GT still has a hydraulic steering rack as they use the hydraulic pump for the adjustable suspension system with adaptable ride height as well, thus making it worthwhile even though it consumes more fuel.

 

Now, back to rumors.

Dave113 wrote:
GM is right up there with electric steering. At this point hydraulic does have more feel, but EPAS in Porsche and GM communicate well enough. Throttle...

GM is right up there with electric steering. At this point hydraulic does have more feel, but EPAS in Porsche and GM communicate well enough. Throttle House picked the Camaro's steering as their preference in an ideal sports car, fwiw. 

That is simply electric booster power steering. There is still a mechanical connection from steering rack to the steering wheel.

 

cybertruck has a wire.  
 

no one is doing wireless. 

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12/6/2023 8:57am
Primoz wrote:
No, they do NOT have brake by wire in F1. They have standard hydraulic brakes with no boosters even, like most racecars. The caveat here is...

No, they do NOT have brake by wire in F1. They have standard hydraulic brakes with no boosters even, like most racecars. The caveat here is they use a Moog valve to modulate (remove) hydraulic pressure from the rear brakes, controlled by the ECU, to feed in the energy recovery and keep the overall braking forces and thus brake balance. Just throwing in energy recovery or removing rear hydraulic brakes would throw the balance front and back wildly and unpredictably.

Coincidentally, there have been failures on these systems, causing drivers to spin off the track (balance issues) and the first systems were notoriously finicky and not calibrated 100 %, causing some drivers issues with brake feel (some drivers are really in tune with what the car is working, so much so that changing the concept of the steering system can make or break a driver's performance).

As for Porsche being drive by wire on the steering, no, 991 introduced EPAS, electric power assisted steering, while 997 still kept hydraulic power assist. EPAS is getting more and more common as it doesn't have a hydraulic pump running all the time thus saving energy. The problem is with feel (Chris Harris drove the Singer Porsche just after 991s came out and said (paraphrasing) 'if you don't like EPAS, don't drive the Singer as the level of feel on the hydraulic Singer will make you hate EPAS even more'. And Porsche is touted to be by far the best in the EPAS game. But EPAS itself is nothing new, cars have been using it since the early 2000s at least (2nd gen Fiat Punto for sure), if not even longer.

Steer by wire means you have only a sensor on the steering wheel controlling an electric motor driving the steering rack, no mechanical connection between the wheel and the rack. With hydraulic or electric power assist you still have the steering shaft connecting the two. Same for braking, there's an actuator building the hydraulic pressure to clamp the brake discs in the calipers. Throttle by wire has been a constant for well over 20 years, replacing the cable actuated throttle valves with an actuator driven throttle valve and a potentiometer on the throttle pedal telling the ECU how much power is requested.

Fun fact, Ford GT still has a hydraulic steering rack as they use the hydraulic pump for the adjustable suspension system with adaptable ride height as well, thus making it worthwhile even though it consumes more fuel.

 

Now, back to rumors.

Dave113 wrote:
GM is right up there with electric steering. At this point hydraulic does have more feel, but EPAS in Porsche and GM communicate well enough. Throttle...

GM is right up there with electric steering. At this point hydraulic does have more feel, but EPAS in Porsche and GM communicate well enough. Throttle House picked the Camaro's steering as their preference in an ideal sports car, fwiw. 

Dave_Camp wrote:
That is simply electric booster power steering. There is still a mechanical connection from steering rack to the steering wheel.   cybertruck has a wire.  ...

That is simply electric booster power steering. There is still a mechanical connection from steering rack to the steering wheel.

 

cybertruck has a wire.  
 

no one is doing wireless. 

Yup, that is correct. Electric assist instead of hydraulic. 

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12/6/2023 9:38am
Primoz wrote:
No, they do NOT have brake by wire in F1. They have standard hydraulic brakes with no boosters even, like most racecars. The caveat here is...

No, they do NOT have brake by wire in F1. They have standard hydraulic brakes with no boosters even, like most racecars. The caveat here is they use a Moog valve to modulate (remove) hydraulic pressure from the rear brakes, controlled by the ECU, to feed in the energy recovery and keep the overall braking forces and thus brake balance. Just throwing in energy recovery or removing rear hydraulic brakes would throw the balance front and back wildly and unpredictably.

Coincidentally, there have been failures on these systems, causing drivers to spin off the track (balance issues) and the first systems were notoriously finicky and not calibrated 100 %, causing some drivers issues with brake feel (some drivers are really in tune with what the car is working, so much so that changing the concept of the steering system can make or break a driver's performance).

As for Porsche being drive by wire on the steering, no, 991 introduced EPAS, electric power assisted steering, while 997 still kept hydraulic power assist. EPAS is getting more and more common as it doesn't have a hydraulic pump running all the time thus saving energy. The problem is with feel (Chris Harris drove the Singer Porsche just after 991s came out and said (paraphrasing) 'if you don't like EPAS, don't drive the Singer as the level of feel on the hydraulic Singer will make you hate EPAS even more'. And Porsche is touted to be by far the best in the EPAS game. But EPAS itself is nothing new, cars have been using it since the early 2000s at least (2nd gen Fiat Punto for sure), if not even longer.

Steer by wire means you have only a sensor on the steering wheel controlling an electric motor driving the steering rack, no mechanical connection between the wheel and the rack. With hydraulic or electric power assist you still have the steering shaft connecting the two. Same for braking, there's an actuator building the hydraulic pressure to clamp the brake discs in the calipers. Throttle by wire has been a constant for well over 20 years, replacing the cable actuated throttle valves with an actuator driven throttle valve and a potentiometer on the throttle pedal telling the ECU how much power is requested.

Fun fact, Ford GT still has a hydraulic steering rack as they use the hydraulic pump for the adjustable suspension system with adaptable ride height as well, thus making it worthwhile even though it consumes more fuel.

 

Now, back to rumors.

Dave113 wrote:
GM is right up there with electric steering. At this point hydraulic does have more feel, but EPAS in Porsche and GM communicate well enough. Throttle...

GM is right up there with electric steering. At this point hydraulic does have more feel, but EPAS in Porsche and GM communicate well enough. Throttle House picked the Camaro's steering as their preference in an ideal sports car, fwiw. 

Dave_Camp wrote:
That is simply electric booster power steering. There is still a mechanical connection from steering rack to the steering wheel.   cybertruck has a wire.  ...

That is simply electric booster power steering. There is still a mechanical connection from steering rack to the steering wheel.

 

cybertruck has a wire.  
 

no one is doing wireless. 

Which was exactly my point, yes. Besides f1 not being brake by wire as well. 

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Big Bird wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMzFSlLZQL4

I just saw this on YouTube. Has this been talked about? 

Yes. Someone posted a pic of the crank and chainring. Which is an internal use only intend product. The post disappeared though. 

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Big Bird wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMzFSlLZQL4

I just saw this on YouTube. Has this been talked about? 

Primoz wrote:

Yes. Someone posted a pic of the crank and chainring. Which is an internal use only intend product. The post disappeared though. 

That‘s weird!! I answered to the post and my post is also gone. Didn‘t delete it tho…

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Big Bird wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMzFSlLZQL4

I just saw this on YouTube. Has this been talked about? 

Primoz wrote:

Yes. Someone posted a pic of the crank and chainring. Which is an internal use only intend product. The post disappeared though. 

Internal use only...?  It's Intend's Rocksteady Magic crank, isn't it?

https://www.intend-bc.com/products/rocksteady-magic/

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just fyi, vital didn't delete anything, but if you quote a post in your reply and that original post is deleted, your reply/quote will disappear too.

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Big Bird wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMzFSlLZQL4

I just saw this on YouTube. Has this been talked about? 

Primoz wrote:

Yes. Someone posted a pic of the crank and chainring. Which is an internal use only intend product. The post disappeared though. 

MTBrent wrote:

Internal use only...?  It's Intend's Rocksteady Magic crank, isn't it?

https://www.intend-bc.com/products/rocksteady-magic/

Ah, sorry, I seem to remember reading somewhere that it won't be for sale. 

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12/6/2023 10:40am

Sneak peak of the colorway for the new Forbidden dropping tomorrow.

Screenshot 20231206 133511 Instagram

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Edthorne wrote:
Sneak peak of the colorway for the new Forbidden dropping tomorrow.

Sneak peak of the colorway for the new Forbidden dropping tomorrow.

Screenshot 20231206 133511 Instagram

stealth mountain

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12/6/2023 5:48pm
Primoz wrote:
No, they do NOT have brake by wire in F1. They have standard hydraulic brakes with no boosters even, like most racecars. The caveat here is...

No, they do NOT have brake by wire in F1. They have standard hydraulic brakes with no boosters even, like most racecars. The caveat here is they use a Moog valve to modulate (remove) hydraulic pressure from the rear brakes, controlled by the ECU, to feed in the energy recovery and keep the overall braking forces and thus brake balance. Just throwing in energy recovery or removing rear hydraulic brakes would throw the balance front and back wildly and unpredictably.

Coincidentally, there have been failures on these systems, causing drivers to spin off the track (balance issues) and the first systems were notoriously finicky and not calibrated 100 %, causing some drivers issues with brake feel (some drivers are really in tune with what the car is working, so much so that changing the concept of the steering system can make or break a driver's performance).

As for Porsche being drive by wire on the steering, no, 991 introduced EPAS, electric power assisted steering, while 997 still kept hydraulic power assist. EPAS is getting more and more common as it doesn't have a hydraulic pump running all the time thus saving energy. The problem is with feel (Chris Harris drove the Singer Porsche just after 991s came out and said (paraphrasing) 'if you don't like EPAS, don't drive the Singer as the level of feel on the hydraulic Singer will make you hate EPAS even more'. And Porsche is touted to be by far the best in the EPAS game. But EPAS itself is nothing new, cars have been using it since the early 2000s at least (2nd gen Fiat Punto for sure), if not even longer.

Steer by wire means you have only a sensor on the steering wheel controlling an electric motor driving the steering rack, no mechanical connection between the wheel and the rack. With hydraulic or electric power assist you still have the steering shaft connecting the two. Same for braking, there's an actuator building the hydraulic pressure to clamp the brake discs in the calipers. Throttle by wire has been a constant for well over 20 years, replacing the cable actuated throttle valves with an actuator driven throttle valve and a potentiometer on the throttle pedal telling the ECU how much power is requested.

Fun fact, Ford GT still has a hydraulic steering rack as they use the hydraulic pump for the adjustable suspension system with adaptable ride height as well, thus making it worthwhile even though it consumes more fuel.

 

Now, back to rumors.

F1 has brake by wire, on the rear axle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcRaBDJXzLg

Here, from 10m45s the engineer explains how it works.

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12/6/2023 7:08pm

"Rear Axle." Been covered... Now back to bikes!

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Edthorne wrote:
Sneak peak of the colorway for the new Forbidden dropping tomorrow.

Sneak peak of the colorway for the new Forbidden dropping tomorrow.

Screenshot 20231206 133511 Instagram

It’s also a coiled frame, perhaps the dh? Or new Dreadnought IMG 2187 0

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12/6/2023 10:35pm
Edthorne wrote:
Sneak peak of the colorway for the new Forbidden dropping tomorrow.

Sneak peak of the colorway for the new Forbidden dropping tomorrow.

Screenshot 20231206 133511 Instagram

Evil96 wrote:
It’s also a coiled frame, perhaps the dh? Or new Dreadnought 

It’s also a coiled frame, perhaps the dh? Or new Dreadnought IMG 2187 0

I know from my sources that it will be a new DH frame, certainly not a Dreadnought.

No information available on the release of the Dread V2

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Edthorne wrote:
Sneak peak of the colorway for the new Forbidden dropping tomorrow.

Sneak peak of the colorway for the new Forbidden dropping tomorrow.

Screenshot 20231206 133511 Instagram

Evil96 wrote:
It’s also a coiled frame, perhaps the dh? Or new Dreadnought 

It’s also a coiled frame, perhaps the dh? Or new Dreadnought IMG 2187 0

It has fork bumpers.  I am excite 

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12/7/2023 1:53am

Some new steering damper goodness coming out of Aus

pademelon.cc

Screenshot 2023-12-07 202204.jpg?VersionId=mhwTObFfh0BdMnftoDE4

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12/7/2023 2:37am

strange  for a DH frame, at 22s of the video, it' s a dropper post 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmaZtmXcMLg

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dom wrote:
strange  for a DH frame, at 22s of the video, it' s a dropper post  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmaZtmXcMLg

strange  for a DH frame, at 22s of the video, it' s a dropper post 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmaZtmXcMLg

I think that's just something they had laying around to hold the frame up in the workstand.

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12/7/2023 4:18am Edited Date/Time 12/7/2023 5:39am
dom wrote:
strange  for a DH frame, at 22s of the video, it' s a dropper post  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmaZtmXcMLg

strange  for a DH frame, at 22s of the video, it' s a dropper post 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmaZtmXcMLg

In the video you can see a normal seat post, this is definitely not a dropper.

EDIT: Actually, my mistake, you can see the tail at the bottom, it's a dropper though.

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dom wrote:
strange  for a DH frame, at 22s of the video, it' s a dropper post  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmaZtmXcMLg

strange  for a DH frame, at 22s of the video, it' s a dropper post 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmaZtmXcMLg

UfuS78 wrote:
In the video you can see a normal seat post, this is definitely not a dropper. EDIT: Actually, my mistake, you can see the tail at the...

In the video you can see a normal seat post, this is definitely not a dropper.

EDIT: Actually, my mistake, you can see the tail at the bottom, it's a dropper though.

In the video you can definitely see a dropper post. However I agree with the above comment that it was probably just something they had lying around when filming.

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12/7/2023 8:34am
Rick26 wrote:

Supernought is up on their website.

https://forbiddenbike.com/bikes/supernought/

Well, that's all right! With the pivot at the back end, I imagine Dread v2 will get the same treatment. Decent size range - might be able to convince my spouse she needs one, and then I'll need one too, of course.

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12/7/2023 9:37am Edited Date/Time 12/7/2023 9:38am
roundman69 wrote:
Some new steering damper goodness coming out of Aus pademelon.cc

Some new steering damper goodness coming out of Aus

pademelon.cc

Screenshot 2023-12-07 202204.jpg?VersionId=mhwTObFfh0BdMnftoDE4

I think this is the company that bought out Hopey Dampers here in the USA.

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