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11/12/2023 2:05am

 

New Michelin Wild Enduros? Looks much less mud tyre-esque than the last one - IMO that's what made these so good though (especially here in the UK) so hopefully the previous design won't be discontinued, maybe re-named?

Looks very similar to their Wild AM2

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11/12/2023 2:23am
  New Michelin Wild Enduros? Looks much less mud tyre-esque than the last one - IMO that's what made these so good though (especially here in...

 

New Michelin Wild Enduros? Looks much less mud tyre-esque than the last one - IMO that's what made these so good though (especially here in the UK) so hopefully the previous design won't be discontinued, maybe re-named?

Looks very similar to their Wild AM2

IMG 4465IMG 4466IMG 4467

Michelin is still doing the racing line version as well. 

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11/13/2023 12:57am

new brakes from galfer? ugly as..

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11/13/2023 1:58pm
Evil96 wrote:

new brakes from galfer? ugly as..

galfer doesn't make brakes?

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11/14/2023 8:53am Edited Date/Time 11/14/2023 8:57am

 

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https://www.pinkbike.com/news/sram-patent-shows-smarter-built-in-shockwiz-on-forks-and-shocks.html

I knew this one coming, it felt like Shockwiz and Flight Attendant were both Proof of Concept products before they would be combined and integrated into suspension products.  

Going out on a limb here...I could see the future of this tied to your Garmin/GPS computer, the same way I download Routes from RidewithGPS or Trail Forks and load them on my Garmin before I ride new trail systems, you'll also be able to download settings/tune for a specific trail.  

In the AXS app, you'll program in your height, weight, frame, wheel size, tires, and riding style.  The ShockWiz will adjust your fork and shock in real time based on the trail you're riding.  Rocky upper section of a trail -  It'll adjust instantly to the optimal settings, flowy middle section - it adds compression damping so you can pump and jump,  short punchy climb at the end - suspension adjusts so you can power up it without hitting a lockout lever or hitting a Pedal switch on the shock.  

I'm sure Sram will collect Data (it's all about that Data!) from riders through the App based on speed, weight, frame kinematics, number of times you bottom out etc.  And will constantly update the "tunes" that you can download.  I could also see the App having a little questionnaire after you do a run, "Did that run feel harsh?"  "How did the suspension feel over rocks?"

If everything is connected through the App it would essentially make every user a Test Rider, they could use the mountains of Data to improve their products without having to pay a single person, in fact, users would pay for the product and also be the Beta Testers.   

 

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11/14/2023 2:07pm
  https://www.pinkbike.com/news/sram-patent-shows-smarter-built-in-shockwiz-on-forks-and-shocks.html I knew this one coming, it felt like Shockwiz and Flight Attendant were both Proof of Concept products before they would be combined and...

 

p5pb25862566

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/sram-patent-shows-smarter-built-in-shockwiz-on-forks-and-shocks.html

I knew this one coming, it felt like Shockwiz and Flight Attendant were both Proof of Concept products before they would be combined and integrated into suspension products.  

Going out on a limb here...I could see the future of this tied to your Garmin/GPS computer, the same way I download Routes from RidewithGPS or Trail Forks and load them on my Garmin before I ride new trail systems, you'll also be able to download settings/tune for a specific trail.  

In the AXS app, you'll program in your height, weight, frame, wheel size, tires, and riding style.  The ShockWiz will adjust your fork and shock in real time based on the trail you're riding.  Rocky upper section of a trail -  It'll adjust instantly to the optimal settings, flowy middle section - it adds compression damping so you can pump and jump,  short punchy climb at the end - suspension adjusts so you can power up it without hitting a lockout lever or hitting a Pedal switch on the shock.  

I'm sure Sram will collect Data (it's all about that Data!) from riders through the App based on speed, weight, frame kinematics, number of times you bottom out etc.  And will constantly update the "tunes" that you can download.  I could also see the App having a little questionnaire after you do a run, "Did that run feel harsh?"  "How did the suspension feel over rocks?"

If everything is connected through the App it would essentially make every user a Test Rider, they could use the mountains of Data to improve their products without having to pay a single person, in fact, users would pay for the product and also be the Beta Testers.   

 

Now for a coil shock with a built-in linear encoder

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11/14/2023 3:01pm

Or a pressure sensor in the ifp chamber? 

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11/15/2023 1:52am
Evil96 wrote:

new brakes from galfer? ugly as..

jamesma wrote:

galfer doesn't make brakes?

IMG 1679Not my fault if vital on the phone sucks and didn’t upload the pic, anyway, there they are 

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11/15/2023 4:54am
Evil96 wrote:

new brakes from galfer? ugly as..

jamesma wrote:

galfer doesn't make brakes?

Evil96 wrote:
Not my fault if vital on the phone sucks and didn’t upload the pic, anyway, there they are 

IMG 1679Not my fault if vital on the phone sucks and didn’t upload the pic, anyway, there they are 

Not terribly ugly, albeit maybe a little odd compared to the big brands we’ve been using forever. 

Galfer rotors and pads are really good. I recommend them to anyone looking for something outside the regular offerings. Considering their position in motorsports, I’m sure their bicycle brakes are going to be solid. 

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11/15/2023 6:21am
jamesma wrote:

galfer doesn't make brakes?

Evil96 wrote:
Not my fault if vital on the phone sucks and didn’t upload the pic, anyway, there they are 

IMG 1679Not my fault if vital on the phone sucks and didn’t upload the pic, anyway, there they are 

jsray wrote:
Not terribly ugly, albeit maybe a little odd compared to the big brands we’ve been using forever.  Galfer rotors and pads are really good. I recommend...

Not terribly ugly, albeit maybe a little odd compared to the big brands we’ve been using forever. 

Galfer rotors and pads are really good. I recommend them to anyone looking for something outside the regular offerings. Considering their position in motorsports, I’m sure their bicycle brakes are going to be solid. 

So lessee: 4-piston, top-loading, moto/Hope style levers, Shimano/cup bleed, 2-piece caliper, 1-piece clamp, looks like reach (and maybe bite-point) adjustment (tool required), what else am I missing?

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11/15/2023 6:25am Edited Date/Time 11/15/2023 6:55am
Evil96 wrote:
Not my fault if vital on the phone sucks and didn’t upload the pic, anyway, there they are 

IMG 1679Not my fault if vital on the phone sucks and didn’t upload the pic, anyway, there they are 

jsray wrote:
Not terribly ugly, albeit maybe a little odd compared to the big brands we’ve been using forever.  Galfer rotors and pads are really good. I recommend...

Not terribly ugly, albeit maybe a little odd compared to the big brands we’ve been using forever. 

Galfer rotors and pads are really good. I recommend them to anyone looking for something outside the regular offerings. Considering their position in motorsports, I’m sure their bicycle brakes are going to be solid. 

dolface wrote:
So lessee: 4-piston, top-loading, moto/Hope style levers, Shimano/cup bleed, 2-piece caliper, 1-piece clamp, looks like reach (and maybe bite-point) adjustment (tool required), what else am I...

So lessee: 4-piston, top-loading, moto/Hope style levers, Shimano/cup bleed, 2-piece caliper, 1-piece clamp, looks like reach (and maybe bite-point) adjustment (tool required), what else am I missing?

It has a pretty “G” on the side of the caliper. At least 10 braking* horsepower added in with that. Its impressive really

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11/15/2023 6:33am Edited Date/Time 11/15/2023 6:43am

It has a pretty “G” on the side of the caliper. At least 10 braking* horsepower added in with that. Its impressive really

Hows the G gonna break stuff, weak point/stress riser?

Edit: nm, got it; "braking". Need more coffee...

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11/15/2023 6:56am
dolface wrote:

Hows the G gonna break stuff, weak point/stress riser?

Edit: nm, got it; "braking". Need more coffee...

Yeah I just fixed that… I need more coffee too I guess. 🤷‍♂️

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11/15/2023 6:59am

ain't nothin but a G thang

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11/15/2023 7:44am

intense m1 is official. no deets on price or geo yet though.

 

INTENSE M1 Grey BackgroundScreenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.18Screenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.29Screenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.39Screenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.49Screenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.55

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11/15/2023 7:53am

Before people continue to try and call them out that its not 6 bar, Intense are calling it a “6-link” design…. Steber has been saying that on his socials all along. 

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11/15/2023 8:55am

What do you call those other 2 bits then Silly

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11/15/2023 10:04am
Evil96 wrote:
Not my fault if vital on the phone sucks and didn’t upload the pic, anyway, there they are 

IMG 1679Not my fault if vital on the phone sucks and didn’t upload the pic, anyway, there they are 

jsray wrote:
Not terribly ugly, albeit maybe a little odd compared to the big brands we’ve been using forever.  Galfer rotors and pads are really good. I recommend...

Not terribly ugly, albeit maybe a little odd compared to the big brands we’ve been using forever. 

Galfer rotors and pads are really good. I recommend them to anyone looking for something outside the regular offerings. Considering their position in motorsports, I’m sure their bicycle brakes are going to be solid. 

dolface wrote:
So lessee: 4-piston, top-loading, moto/Hope style levers, Shimano/cup bleed, 2-piece caliper, 1-piece clamp, looks like reach (and maybe bite-point) adjustment (tool required), what else am I...

So lessee: 4-piston, top-loading, moto/Hope style levers, Shimano/cup bleed, 2-piece caliper, 1-piece clamp, looks like reach (and maybe bite-point) adjustment (tool required), what else am I missing?

I think this might also be a case of internal floating piston in place of a diaphragm.

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11/15/2023 10:04am
TimBud wrote:
Before people continue to try and call them out that its not 6 bar, Intense are calling it a “6-link” design…. Steber has been saying that...

Before people continue to try and call them out that its not 6 bar, Intense are calling it a “6-link” design…. Steber has been saying that on his socials all along. 

Sneaky. Went through Instagram posts and it indeed looks like Jeff has been saying that for the whole time, yeah...

Technically correct I guess. 6-link 4-bar...
@FullSend I get what you're trying to say, but... Linkage driven single pivot Tongue

11/15/2023 3:00pm
TimBud wrote:
Before people continue to try and call them out that its not 6 bar, Intense are calling it a “6-link” design…. Steber has been saying that...

Before people continue to try and call them out that its not 6 bar, Intense are calling it a “6-link” design…. Steber has been saying that on his socials all along. 

certainly a better line than, its the same as the spec enduro, but high pivot!

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sspomer wrote:
intense m1 is official. no deets on price or geo yet though.  

intense m1 is official. no deets on price or geo yet though.

 

INTENSE M1 Grey BackgroundScreenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.18Screenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.29Screenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.39Screenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.49Screenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.55

Official but no price or geo. Is that really official? I wish they would at least give the damn geo already. 

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11/15/2023 5:31pm
Primoz wrote:

Or a pressure sensor in the ifp chamber? 

Would a combination of both be able to tell you anything about how efficiently the damper is operating?

11/15/2023 7:08pm

88x2048

 

Interesting shock that Dario is running on his Frameworks enduro rig. 

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sspomer wrote:
intense m1 is official. no deets on price or geo yet though.  

intense m1 is official. no deets on price or geo yet though.

 

INTENSE M1 Grey BackgroundScreenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.18Screenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.29Screenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.39Screenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.49Screenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.55

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Official but no price or geo. Is that really official? I wish they would at least give the damn geo already. 

we asked and the response was basically "not yet" for whatever reason. geo the most important piece of detail to release when announcing a bike. they hinted at spring '24 release, so maybe something is going to change between now and then?

 

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11/15/2023 8:03pm
sspomer wrote:
intense m1 is official. no deets on price or geo yet though.  

intense m1 is official. no deets on price or geo yet though.

 

INTENSE M1 Grey BackgroundScreenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.18Screenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.29Screenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.39Screenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.49Screenshot 2023-11-13 at 15.54.55

2supple wrote:

Official but no price or geo. Is that really official? I wish they would at least give the damn geo already. 

sspomer wrote:
we asked and the response was basically "not yet" for whatever reason. geo the most important piece of detail to release when announcing a bike. they...

we asked and the response was basically "not yet" for whatever reason. geo the most important piece of detail to release when announcing a bike. they hinted at spring '24 release, so maybe something is going to change between now and then?

 

Interesting. Not that I know anything about bike manufacturing but seems like they are cutting it close to change geo for a spring sale. Still funny they call it a "release" without the geo. 

No offense to Intense, but if I was about to buy a fancy DH frame it'd be a Frameworks anyway.

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11/15/2023 8:25pm
2supple wrote:

Official but no price or geo. Is that really official? I wish they would at least give the damn geo already. 

sspomer wrote:
we asked and the response was basically "not yet" for whatever reason. geo the most important piece of detail to release when announcing a bike. they...

we asked and the response was basically "not yet" for whatever reason. geo the most important piece of detail to release when announcing a bike. they hinted at spring '24 release, so maybe something is going to change between now and then?

 

2supple wrote:
Interesting. Not that I know anything about bike manufacturing but seems like they are cutting it close to change geo for a spring sale. Still funny...

Interesting. Not that I know anything about bike manufacturing but seems like they are cutting it close to change geo for a spring sale. Still funny they call it a "release" without the geo. 

No offense to Intense, but if I was about to buy a fancy DH frame it'd be a Frameworks anyway.

They did something similar to their last enduro bike I think. Maybe it was the tracer or whatever, I can't remember which bike is which, but I think PB did a full bike review without knowing the actual geo lol. 

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11/16/2023 12:14am
Primoz wrote:

Or a pressure sensor in the ifp chamber? 

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Would a combination of both be able to tell you anything about how efficiently the damper is operating?

With enough resolution (no idea if it's actually possible), I think you could be able to detect cavitation. If you map out stroke vs. pressure change at low speeds and get a different correlation at higher speeds, you're cavitating.

But all of that will be influenced by the oil getting warmer (expanding and moving the IFP, raising the pressure), the gas (air) behind the IFP getting warmer, raising pressure, etc. I doubt it would be reliable.

But when you consider a Shockwiz has, as far as I can tell, data about the compression ratio of zero and full stroke with no datapoint in the middle to at least try to map out the shape of the curve through the travel and from there on just the pressure during the rides, it's not THAT much different. Okay, the pressure changes are much higher with the air chamber measurement, obviously, which makes the resolution much better, but the principle of operation should be the same?

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2supple wrote:
Interesting. Not that I know anything about bike manufacturing but seems like they are cutting it close to change geo for a spring sale. Still funny...

Interesting. Not that I know anything about bike manufacturing but seems like they are cutting it close to change geo for a spring sale. Still funny they call it a "release" without the geo. 

No offense to Intense, but if I was about to buy a fancy DH frame it'd be a Frameworks anyway.

I have noticed this a lot this year, press releases about new bikes with no price, weight, geo or specific date of release... Why even do a press release at that point?

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11/16/2023 12:30am

Hype.

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