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7/31/2023 3:56am
id_shred wrote:
  I saw this yellow GT with the same sticker on the bar. I think it looked more like an angry sheep than a goat. The stem...

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  I saw this yellow GT with the same sticker on the bar. I think it looked more like an angry sheep than a goat. The stem had some writing on it too. 

eljefe1 wrote:

FSA Wink

boozed wrote:

Full Sheep Ahead?

Furious Sheep Ahead! 

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7/31/2023 4:25am
TEAMROBOT wrote:
Hey Jesse, I know you're a trained engineer and you're probably smarter than me and work for SRAM and I'm just some guy, but I've read...

Hey Jesse, I know you're a trained engineer and you're probably smarter than me and work for SRAM and I'm just some guy, but I've read that the SRAM Transmission does not use electronics to sense the shift gates in the cassette in order to sync the derailleur movements to match in time. Instead, the shift movement of the derailleur cage is instantaneous when you hit the button, and the delay you observe is from the chain waiting for a shift gate in the cassette to travel through the gate and change gears. The pronounced shift gates in the cassette (and perhaps the proprietary T-type chain shape) are what allow seamless shifting under load, not the derailleur per se. So it doesn't need to be electronic to shift real good like.

Thanks for the compliments but we all know you're not just 'some guy', and I'm just a bike nerd like the rest. What you are saying...

Thanks for the compliments but we all know you're not just 'some guy', and I'm just a bike nerd like the rest. What you are saying makes sense.

All I really have is a lot of ride time on the new Transmission, as well as the older AXS on some of my other bikes. All I said was the electronics help when the derailleur will shift. It doesn't 'sense' this, it just has a map of all the of ramps in the cassette. So it knows the gear you are in, which way you have shifted, and roughly how long the delay will be until the chain hits the shift ramp, so it puts the derailleur into position to catch the ramp, and then finishes the shift when the ramp is met. Like the guys said previously, we have been able to do this with our thumbs on downshifts, slightly pressing the lever and letting the derailleur catch the ramp before finishing the click. Transmission does that by itself, and the best part about that is I will come into a climb I didn't expect and be able to press a button and be turning over into an easier gear while only thinking about cranking up the steep pitch. I wasn't bold enough before to shift while under significant load like that for fear of breaking my chain, that fear was probably unfounded as Shimano does make a great drivetrain, but now I don't have that worry. I do like the idea about the clutch in the derailleur where it will only shift under certain pressure, that could be the solution for mechanical. 

But I haven't been able to do that on upshifts. On transmission I personally feel this is when I need to grab a handful of gears trying to get back up to speed. If I have to go click-click-click, it won't mangle 3 gear shifts at once, instead it's a steady, consistent shift for 3 gears.

So transmission delays by a preset amount depending upon what gear it's in, and what gear it's going to. So delay is based on an average cadence, right? Or perhaps on the high end of the range for normal cadences as being slightly early to catch the shift ramp would probably be better than slightly late to catch it. And by all accounts works great. What I'm getting at is that theoretically a small speed sensor could be incorporated into a pulley on the derailleur and the delay could be further optimized for distance to shift gate and exact speed at which the chain is moving. I'm not sure it'd improve performance all that much, probably not enough to justify the added complexity, but still interesting. Also it could be implemented for "free" on ebikes with corded transmission. 

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7/31/2023 5:08am

You'd only need a magnet in the upper jockey and a hall sensor nearby and you're all set. 

7/31/2023 5:36am
TEAMROBOT wrote:
Hey Jesse, I know you're a trained engineer and you're probably smarter than me and work for SRAM and I'm just some guy, but I've read...

Hey Jesse, I know you're a trained engineer and you're probably smarter than me and work for SRAM and I'm just some guy, but I've read that the SRAM Transmission does not use electronics to sense the shift gates in the cassette in order to sync the derailleur movements to match in time. Instead, the shift movement of the derailleur cage is instantaneous when you hit the button, and the delay you observe is from the chain waiting for a shift gate in the cassette to travel through the gate and change gears. The pronounced shift gates in the cassette (and perhaps the proprietary T-type chain shape) are what allow seamless shifting under load, not the derailleur per se. So it doesn't need to be electronic to shift real good like.

Thanks for the compliments but we all know you're not just 'some guy', and I'm just a bike nerd like the rest. What you are saying...

Thanks for the compliments but we all know you're not just 'some guy', and I'm just a bike nerd like the rest. What you are saying makes sense.

All I really have is a lot of ride time on the new Transmission, as well as the older AXS on some of my other bikes. All I said was the electronics help when the derailleur will shift. It doesn't 'sense' this, it just has a map of all the of ramps in the cassette. So it knows the gear you are in, which way you have shifted, and roughly how long the delay will be until the chain hits the shift ramp, so it puts the derailleur into position to catch the ramp, and then finishes the shift when the ramp is met. Like the guys said previously, we have been able to do this with our thumbs on downshifts, slightly pressing the lever and letting the derailleur catch the ramp before finishing the click. Transmission does that by itself, and the best part about that is I will come into a climb I didn't expect and be able to press a button and be turning over into an easier gear while only thinking about cranking up the steep pitch. I wasn't bold enough before to shift while under significant load like that for fear of breaking my chain, that fear was probably unfounded as Shimano does make a great drivetrain, but now I don't have that worry. I do like the idea about the clutch in the derailleur where it will only shift under certain pressure, that could be the solution for mechanical. 

But I haven't been able to do that on upshifts. On transmission I personally feel this is when I need to grab a handful of gears trying to get back up to speed. If I have to go click-click-click, it won't mangle 3 gear shifts at once, instead it's a steady, consistent shift for 3 gears.

kcy4130 wrote:
So transmission delays by a preset amount depending upon what gear it's in, and what gear it's going to. So delay is based on an average...

So transmission delays by a preset amount depending upon what gear it's in, and what gear it's going to. So delay is based on an average cadence, right? Or perhaps on the high end of the range for normal cadences as being slightly early to catch the shift ramp would probably be better than slightly late to catch it. And by all accounts works great. What I'm getting at is that theoretically a small speed sensor could be incorporated into a pulley on the derailleur and the delay could be further optimized for distance to shift gate and exact speed at which the chain is moving. I'm not sure it'd improve performance all that much, probably not enough to justify the added complexity, but still interesting. Also it could be implemented for "free" on ebikes with corded transmission. 

Just like I suggested above, difference is it can be achieved with existing hardware. Flight attendant cadence sensors are out there, and from what I can tell they are even compatible with non-sram cranks (there's an expanding plug version just looking at the diagrams). It would just require software at the moment to make it all work. If anything it would work even better than a pulley-sensor as they would be susceptible to any chain movement caused by the suspension. Hopefully SRAM listens....

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7/31/2023 7:26am
NY_Star wrote:
Not sure if this has been posted before, but this is the GX transmission it seems. https://www.specialized.com/us/en/stumpjumper-expert/p/200521?color=336223-200521

Not sure if this has been posted before, but this is the GX transmission it seems.

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/stumpjumper-expert/p/200521?color=336…image-20230731102411-1

It was released few weeks ago.

 

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7/31/2023 9:16am
NY_Star wrote:
Not sure if this has been posted before, but this is the GX transmission it seems. https://www.specialized.com/us/en/stumpjumper-expert/p/200521?color=336223-200521

Not sure if this has been posted before, but this is the GX transmission it seems.

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/stumpjumper-expert/p/200521?color=336…image-20230731102411-1

It's been out for a few weeks now, and that crank doesn't look any better than when I saw it at release.

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7/31/2023 9:56am
eljefe1 wrote:

FSA Wink

boozed wrote:

Full Sheep Ahead?

kcy4130 wrote:

Furious Sheep Ahead! 

😂😂🤘🏽

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7/31/2023 4:20pm
NY_Star wrote:
Not sure if this has been posted before, but this is the GX transmission it seems. https://www.specialized.com/us/en/stumpjumper-expert/p/200521?color=336223-200521

Not sure if this has been posted before, but this is the GX transmission it seems.

https://www.specialized.com/us/en/stumpjumper-expert/p/200521?color=336…image-20230731102411-1

It's been out for a few weeks now, and that crank doesn't look any better than when I saw it at release.

Going for the mid/late 90's LX vibe?

I really like the lunar grey current GX stuff, should have stuck with that. 

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7/31/2023 5:08pm

Tairin Wheels is going to release a silent freehub upgrade for their Shogun hub. I find this noteworthy because Tairin could have just released a new hub with the silent tech [which they are doing] and left it at that. Instead, they took the time to port it to an older product. Off the top of my head, I can't think of many companies that would go to the trouble. It's kind of like a frame manufacturer offering a way to swap out a derailleur hanger for a direct mount without having to buy an entirely new rear end or frame. Anyway, I think it's neat, and Jose is a good dude, so I'm getting one.

 

 

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7/31/2023 5:55pm

Has anyone graphed the kinematics of the supreme v5? I thought I had seen them on this thread but went back and couldn't find it.

I rode the last generation this weekend and was blown away. I just wanted to compare the two.

7/31/2023 6:03pm
pinkrobe wrote:
Tairin Wheels is going to release a silent freehub upgrade for their Shogun hub. I find this noteworthy because Tairin could have just released a new...

Tairin Wheels is going to release a silent freehub upgrade for their Shogun hub. I find this noteworthy because Tairin could have just released a new hub with the silent tech [which they are doing] and left it at that. Instead, they took the time to port it to an older product. Off the top of my head, I can't think of many companies that would go to the trouble. It's kind of like a frame manufacturer offering a way to swap out a derailleur hanger for a direct mount without having to buy an entirely new rear end or frame. Anyway, I think it's neat, and Jose is a good dude, so I'm getting one.

 

 

Backwards compatibility.  Current owners can upgrade their hubs if wanted and new customers can just buy it outright.

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7/31/2023 6:10pm
pinkrobe wrote:
Tairin Wheels is going to release a silent freehub upgrade for their Shogun hub. I find this noteworthy because Tairin could have just released a new...

Tairin Wheels is going to release a silent freehub upgrade for their Shogun hub. I find this noteworthy because Tairin could have just released a new hub with the silent tech [which they are doing] and left it at that. Instead, they took the time to port it to an older product. Off the top of my head, I can't think of many companies that would go to the trouble. It's kind of like a frame manufacturer offering a way to swap out a derailleur hanger for a direct mount without having to buy an entirely new rear end or frame. Anyway, I think it's neat, and Jose is a good dude, so I'm getting one.

 

 

Backwards compatibility.  Current owners can upgrade their hubs if wanted and new customers can just buy it outright.

Wish more companies did this.

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7/31/2023 6:58pm

I just saw the new Altitude and I wish I could say more but I cant. All I will say is I was shock in the direction they have gone in a good way. It'll be a very interesting bike and I haven't seen a correct rumor about it yet.

 

Stay thirsty my friends.....

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7/31/2023 8:04pm
thegromit wrote:
Has anyone graphed the kinematics of the supreme v5? I thought I had seen them on this thread but went back and couldn't find it. I...

Has anyone graphed the kinematics of the supreme v5? I thought I had seen them on this thread but went back and couldn't find it.

I rode the last generation this weekend and was blown away. I just wanted to compare the two.

The V4 and V5 are completely different bikes. The V5 is very close to the 23 Trek session with axle path. Goes back 10mm then forward to 0. The V5 is 40-45% progressive, the V4 was only like 20-25%.

I can’t find all the files, I found the axle path. There’s a few mock ups on Linkage Design program. 

IMG 9028

 

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7/31/2023 10:27pm
thegromit wrote:
Has anyone graphed the kinematics of the supreme v5? I thought I had seen them on this thread but went back and couldn't find it. I...

Has anyone graphed the kinematics of the supreme v5? I thought I had seen them on this thread but went back and couldn't find it.

I rode the last generation this weekend and was blown away. I just wanted to compare the two.

The V4 and V5 are completely different bikes. The V5 is very close to the 23 Trek session with axle path. Goes back 10mm then forward...

The V4 and V5 are completely different bikes. The V5 is very close to the 23 Trek session with axle path. Goes back 10mm then forward to 0. The V5 is 40-45% progressive, the V4 was only like 20-25%.

I can’t find all the files, I found the axle path. There’s a few mock ups on Linkage Design program. 

IMG 9028

 

I was curious what the anti rise is, it seemed like the old design had quite a bit compared to the new design and that is what the main flaw was. I honestly didn't think it was all that bad under braking. That was the first bike I had ridden with anti squat number in the 150-170 range, I didn't know this at the time but when I would sprint or pedal I was surprised at how well it accelerated. 

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New vivid air unveils in about 2 weeks, seen one in person

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7/31/2023 10:54pm

IMG 8797.jpeg?VersionId=19wuJaNTCj VtKvvZEQ2I

 From the propain group on Facebook, seems to be the new ebike, ready but not out yet, also seems like they really dig that shitty cable tourism, shame 

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7/31/2023 11:15pm
thegromit wrote:
Has anyone graphed the kinematics of the supreme v5? I thought I had seen them on this thread but went back and couldn't find it. I...

Has anyone graphed the kinematics of the supreme v5? I thought I had seen them on this thread but went back and couldn't find it.

I rode the last generation this weekend and was blown away. I just wanted to compare the two.

The V4 and V5 are completely different bikes. The V5 is very close to the 23 Trek session with axle path. Goes back 10mm then forward...

The V4 and V5 are completely different bikes. The V5 is very close to the 23 Trek session with axle path. Goes back 10mm then forward to 0. The V5 is 40-45% progressive, the V4 was only like 20-25%.

I can’t find all the files, I found the axle path. There’s a few mock ups on Linkage Design program. 

IMG 9028

 

thegromit wrote:
I was curious what the anti rise is, it seemed like the old design had quite a bit compared to the new design and that is...

I was curious what the anti rise is, it seemed like the old design had quite a bit compared to the new design and that is what the main flaw was. I honestly didn't think it was all that bad under braking. That was the first bike I had ridden with anti squat number in the 150-170 range, I didn't know this at the time but when I would sprint or pedal I was surprised at how well it accelerated. 

Having owned a V4 in the past I would argue that the high AR value was its main strength and its axle path its main weakness. High AR is always associated with suspension that doesn't work when braking but I never found it to be the case, what nobody tells you is how nice it is to drop the anchor with no second thoughts since your bike will be stable AF when you will do so. At the time I didn't know much about suspension kinematics but noticed that I liked how it behaved on the brakes, when I went to a four bar low AR bike I immediately missed that trait.

One trait I didn't miss was the very rearward axle path. Sure it works very well in the rough straight lines, as most WC are those days or pirate tracks in Morzine. But on normal track with turns it is not great, and then tighter the turn the worse it gets at the bike extends as you corner and push with your legs. Also something that nobody tells about high pivot bikes is how sketchy they can be in the steep and when going deep in the travel. Because your rear center extends and your front center shortens you end up with your center of gravity easily off balance which can cause you to get bucked in some situations. The centering of the BB between Front and Rear center changes a lot more through travel on a HP bike compared to a normal bike.

The v5 seems to have a much nicer axle path which will lead to a more predictable behaviour through travel and while AR might be lower it should still be above 100% which is good. Nobody ever complained about a Pivot Firebird no being good on the brakes, yet it has a AR value of 100% accros its travel when most bikes have faling rates with high starting values that go down quite  bit as you go so don't drink the koolaid of low AR.

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8/1/2023 12:22am
Having owned a V4 in the past I would argue that the high AR value was its main strength and its axle path its main weakness...

Having owned a V4 in the past I would argue that the high AR value was its main strength and its axle path its main weakness. High AR is always associated with suspension that doesn't work when braking but I never found it to be the case, what nobody tells you is how nice it is to drop the anchor with no second thoughts since your bike will be stable AF when you will do so. At the time I didn't know much about suspension kinematics but noticed that I liked how it behaved on the brakes, when I went to a four bar low AR bike I immediately missed that trait.

One trait I didn't miss was the very rearward axle path. Sure it works very well in the rough straight lines, as most WC are those days or pirate tracks in Morzine. But on normal track with turns it is not great, and then tighter the turn the worse it gets at the bike extends as you corner and push with your legs. Also something that nobody tells about high pivot bikes is how sketchy they can be in the steep and when going deep in the travel. Because your rear center extends and your front center shortens you end up with your center of gravity easily off balance which can cause you to get bucked in some situations. The centering of the BB between Front and Rear center changes a lot more through travel on a HP bike compared to a normal bike.

The v5 seems to have a much nicer axle path which will lead to a more predictable behaviour through travel and while AR might be lower it should still be above 100% which is good. Nobody ever complained about a Pivot Firebird no being good on the brakes, yet it has a AR value of 100% accros its travel when most bikes have faling rates with high starting values that go down quite  bit as you go so don't drink the koolaid of low AR.

Hugh McLeay of i-Track wrote a bit about the effect of the rate of change of anti-rise on the wheel rate. Unfortunately that page on his site no longer exists, but if I remember correctly, he calculated that increasing AR (or maybe an increasing rate of AR?) decreases the force at the wheel, with decreasing AR having the opposite effect. I'm curious for someone with more resources than me to try to compare rising/falling anti-rise rates at the same level, or constant rates at low vs high levels. Obviously geometry, leverage rate, etc all have effects so maybe the best way would be to use a custom frame with different floating brake mounts?

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Evil96 wrote:
 From the propain group on Facebook, seems to be the new ebike, ready but not out yet, also seems like they really dig that shitty cable...

IMG 8797.jpeg?VersionId=19wuJaNTCj VtKvvZEQ2I

 From the propain group on Facebook, seems to be the new ebike, ready but not out yet, also seems like they really dig that shitty cable tourism, shame 

fugly and what looks like a 185mm shock to save space. which means there won‘t be proper springs for heavy guys because they only use a 55mm hub for a long travel bike. stupid

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8/1/2023 2:45am
Having owned a V4 in the past I would argue that the high AR value was its main strength and its axle path its main weakness...

Having owned a V4 in the past I would argue that the high AR value was its main strength and its axle path its main weakness. High AR is always associated with suspension that doesn't work when braking but I never found it to be the case, what nobody tells you is how nice it is to drop the anchor with no second thoughts since your bike will be stable AF when you will do so. At the time I didn't know much about suspension kinematics but noticed that I liked how it behaved on the brakes, when I went to a four bar low AR bike I immediately missed that trait.

One trait I didn't miss was the very rearward axle path. Sure it works very well in the rough straight lines, as most WC are those days or pirate tracks in Morzine. But on normal track with turns it is not great, and then tighter the turn the worse it gets at the bike extends as you corner and push with your legs. Also something that nobody tells about high pivot bikes is how sketchy they can be in the steep and when going deep in the travel. Because your rear center extends and your front center shortens you end up with your center of gravity easily off balance which can cause you to get bucked in some situations. The centering of the BB between Front and Rear center changes a lot more through travel on a HP bike compared to a normal bike.

The v5 seems to have a much nicer axle path which will lead to a more predictable behaviour through travel and while AR might be lower it should still be above 100% which is good. Nobody ever complained about a Pivot Firebird no being good on the brakes, yet it has a AR value of 100% accros its travel when most bikes have faling rates with high starting values that go down quite  bit as you go so don't drink the koolaid of low AR.

Hugh McLeay of i-Track wrote a bit about the effect of the rate of change of anti-rise on the wheel rate. Unfortunately that page on his...

Hugh McLeay of i-Track wrote a bit about the effect of the rate of change of anti-rise on the wheel rate. Unfortunately that page on his site no longer exists, but if I remember correctly, he calculated that increasing AR (or maybe an increasing rate of AR?) decreases the force at the wheel, with decreasing AR having the opposite effect. I'm curious for someone with more resources than me to try to compare rising/falling anti-rise rates at the same level, or constant rates at low vs high levels. Obviously geometry, leverage rate, etc all have effects so maybe the best way would be to use a custom frame with different floating brake mounts?

Shouldn't an increasing anti-rise cause higher forces at the wheel? As in more anti-rise gives less rear wheel squat when braking, thus the rear wheel being pushed into the ground more? Less anti-rise promotes rear wheel squat (gives more stability), but pulls the wheel into the travel, thus reducing the force applied to the wheel.

The rate of change describes if the AR characteristic is linear (constant rate of change) or non-linear. The rate of change is the first derivative of the characteristic itself.

Everything I'm talking about above is for the act of applying brakes when the system is in flux, it's obvious less AR will squat the rear wheel, tip the bike (and rider) backwards when stabilised and transfer the weight rearwards, thus actually increasing the force at the rear wheel (weight balance and all). Though with a very rearward axle path that also plays into the situation, but in the opposite way (as mentioned above, the axles move backwards in relation of the rider CoG, thus moving balance forwards wheels wise).

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8/1/2023 2:52am
Evil96 wrote:
 From the propain group on Facebook, seems to be the new ebike, ready but not out yet, also seems like they really dig that shitty cable...

IMG 8797.jpeg?VersionId=19wuJaNTCj VtKvvZEQ2I

 From the propain group on Facebook, seems to be the new ebike, ready but not out yet, also seems like they really dig that shitty cable tourism, shame 

sethimus wrote:
fugly and what looks like a 185mm shock to save space. which means there won‘t be proper springs for heavy guys because they only use a...

fugly and what looks like a 185mm shock to save space. which means there won‘t be proper springs for heavy guys because they only use a 55mm hub for a long travel bike. stupid

I can tell you right now that there is 0 chance that this shock is 185mm.

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8/1/2023 6:03am
metadave wrote:
I just saw the new Altitude and I wish I could say more but I cant. All I will say is I was shock in the...

I just saw the new Altitude and I wish I could say more but I cant. All I will say is I was shock in the direction they have gone in a good way. It'll be a very interesting bike and I haven't seen a correct rumor about it yet.

 

Stay thirsty my friends.....

Moving to a vertical shock orientation...?

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8/1/2023 6:29am
metadave wrote:
I just saw the new Altitude and I wish I could say more but I cant. All I will say is I was shock in the...

I just saw the new Altitude and I wish I could say more but I cant. All I will say is I was shock in the direction they have gone in a good way. It'll be a very interesting bike and I haven't seen a correct rumor about it yet.

 

Stay thirsty my friends.....

dolface wrote:

Moving to a vertical shock orientation...?

probably high pivot with an idler, lower mounted shock? Rocky Mountain rarely comes out with "crazy" or radical, groundbreaking stuff so I'm curious haha

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8/1/2023 8:04am
metadave wrote:
I just saw the new Altitude and I wish I could say more but I cant. All I will say is I was shock in the...

I just saw the new Altitude and I wish I could say more but I cant. All I will say is I was shock in the direction they have gone in a good way. It'll be a very interesting bike and I haven't seen a correct rumor about it yet.

 

Stay thirsty my friends.....

Pics, or it didnt happen!

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8/1/2023 8:20am
metadave wrote:
I just saw the new Altitude and I wish I could say more but I cant. All I will say is I was shock in the...

I just saw the new Altitude and I wish I could say more but I cant. All I will say is I was shock in the direction they have gone in a good way. It'll be a very interesting bike and I haven't seen a correct rumor about it yet.

 

Stay thirsty my friends.....

dolface wrote:

Moving to a vertical shock orientation...?

probably high pivot with an idler, lower mounted shock? Rocky Mountain rarely comes out with "crazy" or radical, groundbreaking stuff so I'm curious haha

They also use the same frame for the Altitude and Instinct, curious to see if they continue w/ that. 

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Evil96 wrote:
 From the propain group on Facebook, seems to be the new ebike, ready but not out yet, also seems like they really dig that shitty cable...

IMG 8797.jpeg?VersionId=19wuJaNTCj VtKvvZEQ2I

 From the propain group on Facebook, seems to be the new ebike, ready but not out yet, also seems like they really dig that shitty cable tourism, shame 

sethimus wrote:
fugly and what looks like a 185mm shock to save space. which means there won‘t be proper springs for heavy guys because they only use a...

fugly and what looks like a 185mm shock to save space. which means there won‘t be proper springs for heavy guys because they only use a 55mm hub for a long travel bike. stupid

You can get springs from Ext, they make also 700 lbs and similar 

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8/1/2023 10:54am
metadave wrote:
I just saw the new Altitude and I wish I could say more but I cant. All I will say is I was shock in the...

I just saw the new Altitude and I wish I could say more but I cant. All I will say is I was shock in the direction they have gone in a good way. It'll be a very interesting bike and I haven't seen a correct rumor about it yet.

 

Stay thirsty my friends.....

Can you at least give us an embargo date?

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8/1/2023 11:12am
Mas wrote:

Going for the mid/late 90's LX vibe?

I really like the lunar grey current GX stuff, should have stuck with that. 

LX? Nah, this is giving Alivio vibes.

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