Interesting tidbit from Misspent Summers enduro coverage email…
Whispers from Eurobike: We know this isn’t enduro related content (ERC), but rumours travel fast when you get...
Interesting tidbit from Misspent Summers enduro coverage email…
Whispers from Eurobike: We know this isn’t enduro related content (ERC), but rumours travel fast when you get the entire bicycle industry in one place. You’ve probably heard about the industry over-stock crisis (brands, distributors and retailers got a bit excited with their order quantities during the Covid bicycle boom. Now things have slowed down drastically they’re left with either massive excess inventory or bills they can’t pay – or both). Unsurprisingly and unfortunately, it sounds like some big bike companies will be going deeper into full crisis mode or even shutting down completely by the end of 2023. We wish everyone the best of luck navigating the tricky times ahead
Any guesses as to who is in trouble?
Not just big brands, but you can look around at some of the sales going on right now and assume they need to just get some cash. I’ve been looking at a Revel because they have some stuff marked down like 20-25%
Interesting tidbit from Misspent Summers enduro coverage email…
Whispers from Eurobike: We know this isn’t enduro related content (ERC), but rumours travel fast when you get...
Interesting tidbit from Misspent Summers enduro coverage email…
Whispers from Eurobike: We know this isn’t enduro related content (ERC), but rumours travel fast when you get the entire bicycle industry in one place. You’ve probably heard about the industry over-stock crisis (brands, distributors and retailers got a bit excited with their order quantities during the Covid bicycle boom. Now things have slowed down drastically they’re left with either massive excess inventory or bills they can’t pay – or both). Unsurprisingly and unfortunately, it sounds like some big bike companies will be going deeper into full crisis mode or even shutting down completely by the end of 2023. We wish everyone the best of luck navigating the tricky times ahead
I'd guess mid sized without financial support from a larger group.....
So-Marin,Devinci,Rocky Mountain,Norco.
Oh boy, I worked at a dealer last year that carries all four of those. They (the dealer) were and probably still are stuck with excess inventory, but things will probably improve a bit with the summer season. Not sure on the companies' situations, though.
Im not convinced Marin is, I've seen them ramp up and they are working on a few bikes at the moment.
Their bikes seem to of...
Im not convinced Marin is, I've seen them ramp up and they are working on a few bikes at the moment.
Their bikes seem to of come in small batches and all sold out.
They're also the house brand of a powerhouse bike manufacturer. I think they'll be fine.
P.S., It's kinda funny how the tech rumors thread - something you think would be very niche - has somehow turned into Vital's general thread
Quite interested to see the geo on the HD6, does anyone know when it's being released? Must be any day now they've shown the production paint.
I think someone said it could run full 29er a few pages but so far I've only seen it being run as mullet and I can't see any flip chips from the screen grabs. Hopefully it can run both.
Hi guys. Any hint /news for the Forbidden Dreadnought V2?
Seeing as the Dreadnaught and Druid are the same rear end I can only imagine it’ll be exactly the same as the Druid with a longer shock. I’m REALLY hopping for a 170-180 park bike!
Interesting tidbit from Misspent Summers enduro coverage email…
Whispers from Eurobike: We know this isn’t enduro related content (ERC), but rumours travel fast when you get...
Interesting tidbit from Misspent Summers enduro coverage email…
Whispers from Eurobike: We know this isn’t enduro related content (ERC), but rumours travel fast when you get the entire bicycle industry in one place. You’ve probably heard about the industry over-stock crisis (brands, distributors and retailers got a bit excited with their order quantities during the Covid bicycle boom. Now things have slowed down drastically they’re left with either massive excess inventory or bills they can’t pay – or both). Unsurprisingly and unfortunately, it sounds like some big bike companies will be going deeper into full crisis mode or even shutting down completely by the end of 2023. We wish everyone the best of luck navigating the tricky times ahead
Any guesses as to who is in trouble?
Considering the feebacks from the shops (bike manufacturer, textile brands, accessories, etc. forcing the pre-orders in shops already jam packed) I would say it is faster to figure out who isn't in trouble really.
Seeing as the Dreadnaught and Druid are the same rear end I can only imagine it’ll be exactly the same as the Druid with a longer...
Seeing as the Dreadnaught and Druid are the same rear end I can only imagine it’ll be exactly the same as the Druid with a longer shock. I’m REALLY hopping for a 170-180 park bike!
They are moving away from single high pivot to an inverted horst-link high pivot, if i remember correctly, so the Druid, the Dreadnought and the dh-bike will all be the same suspension concept. Think some of their riders were seen on inverted horst-link enduro prototypes already, not Druids.
Seeing as the Dreadnaught and Druid are the same rear end I can only imagine it’ll be exactly the same as the Druid with a longer...
Seeing as the Dreadnaught and Druid are the same rear end I can only imagine it’ll be exactly the same as the Druid with a longer shock. I’m REALLY hopping for a 170-180 park bike!
They are moving away from single high pivot to an inverted horst-link high pivot, if i remember correctly, so the Druid, the Dreadnought and the dh-bike...
They are moving away from single high pivot to an inverted horst-link high pivot, if i remember correctly, so the Druid, the Dreadnought and the dh-bike will all be the same suspension concept. Think some of their riders were seen on inverted horst-link enduro prototypes already, not Druids.
Lol what? Have you even seen the new Druid that came out like a few weeks ago?
Hi guys. Any hint /news for the Forbidden Dreadnought V2?
Initially, the Dreadnought came out a little less than a year after the Druid. Forbidden was still a new company at the time, not as established. Druid V2 was released in May. I would assume that an updated Dreadnought COULDbe out before the end of the year. Use this post as a vote, thumbs up if you agree, thumbs down if you think it'll be 2024.
What would you like to see from a new one that isn't covered by the current one?
@Whattheheel so the red caliper with paint splatter version? Up to this point those used the current Code lever with the standard (DOT5) bleeding port... The DB8/Maven bleed port is quite different... How does that work considering you say it's mineral oil?
Sounds like buddy maybe just rode a properly bled and bedded in pair of codes for the first time (with the stealth levers). Amazing how proper brake maintenance and well setup rotors/pads with straight alignment can make a world of difference.
So the new ibis hd6 is mullet only. I swear there were some spy shots of one of their racers here on a full 29er. Perhaps another new but related model on the way?
Edit: but maybe I'm misremembering?
Looks very good btw. Straight tt is such an improvement.
So the new ibis hd6 is mullet only. I swear there were some spy shots of one of their racers here on a full 29er. Perhaps...
So the new ibis hd6 is mullet only. I swear there were some spy shots of one of their racers here on a full 29er. Perhaps another new but related model on the way?
Edit: but maybe I'm misremembering?
Looks very good btw. Straight tt is such an improvement.
same CS on all sizes is a big no no for me, but finally a beautifull ibis at least
Sounds like buddy maybe just rode a properly bled and bedded in pair of codes for the first time (with the stealth levers). Amazing how proper...
Sounds like buddy maybe just rode a properly bled and bedded in pair of codes for the first time (with the stealth levers). Amazing how proper brake maintenance and well setup rotors/pads with straight alignment can make a world of difference.
THIS
It's amazing how many people I hear complaining about lack of power in their Codes. Then I get on their bike and their brakes feel like shit because of poor bleeds/setup and sticky pistons (major SRAM issue IMHO).
Also, the RSCs with the swing link are more powerful than the standard Code R and RS. Which I think is a mistake as it makes people thing that all Codes are weak.
The RS also has the swing link. Code, Guide and G2 in the R guise are dog shit. Anything with the swing link is a good brake. A Code RSC in my experience is a wonderful brake because it's anodized and thus has much less wear on the seals and pistons and dirties the fluid to a much lesser extent than the lesser models. I replaced all the pistons in the levers and calipers after 4 full seasons (the rear caliper pistons deform a bit, so I invested a small amount of money and refreshed the whole set), but only bled them twice in the mean time with the first bleed correcting the bad factory bleed. They are literally set and forget brakes in my experience.
Regarding sticky pistons, how often do people with these sticky pistons ride? I see people who don't ride their bikes with Sram brakes having very sticky brakes and people who ride regularly have no problems.
The RS also has the swing link. Code, Guide and G2 in the R guise are dog shit. Anything with the swing link is a good...
The RS also has the swing link. Code, Guide and G2 in the R guise are dog shit. Anything with the swing link is a good brake. A Code RSC in my experience is a wonderful brake because it's anodized and thus has much less wear on the seals and pistons and dirties the fluid to a much lesser extent than the lesser models. I replaced all the pistons in the levers and calipers after 4 full seasons (the rear caliper pistons deform a bit, so I invested a small amount of money and refreshed the whole set), but only bled them twice in the mean time with the first bleed correcting the bad factory bleed. They are literally set and forget brakes in my experience.
Regarding sticky pistons, how often do people with these sticky pistons ride? I see people who don't ride their bikes with Sram brakes having very sticky brakes and people who ride regularly have no problems.
Agree 100% on the code comments. Taking the time to bleed them correctly, and then properly bleeding the lever's if/when needed is critical. Regarding the stuck pistons. I find these tools to be immensely helpful on not just sram brakes, but all brakes. I've bought the whole set and it makes it every easy to un-stick, clean and lubricate pistons and bores. You still will need to replace the pistons at some point, but this tool will make that much less frequent. https://www.etsy.com/listing/1220259460/top-loading-brake-bleed-and-pis…
Regarding the HD6... I cannot believe they did not do size specific chainstays and the head tube lengths and resulting stack heights are absurd. I honestly am really struggling to see how this bike made it through the design phase like this with 28mm of reach growth per size and no adjustments to the rear center. The medium sized bike and the XL are going to feel like completely different bikes. Ibis... like it's 2016 all over again.
The RS also has the swing link. Code, Guide and G2 in the R guise are dog shit. Anything with the swing link is a good...
The RS also has the swing link. Code, Guide and G2 in the R guise are dog shit. Anything with the swing link is a good brake. A Code RSC in my experience is a wonderful brake because it's anodized and thus has much less wear on the seals and pistons and dirties the fluid to a much lesser extent than the lesser models. I replaced all the pistons in the levers and calipers after 4 full seasons (the rear caliper pistons deform a bit, so I invested a small amount of money and refreshed the whole set), but only bled them twice in the mean time with the first bleed correcting the bad factory bleed. They are literally set and forget brakes in my experience.
Regarding sticky pistons, how often do people with these sticky pistons ride? I see people who don't ride their bikes with Sram brakes having very sticky brakes and people who ride regularly have no problems.
Agree 100% on the code comments. Taking the time to bleed them correctly, and then properly bleeding the lever's if/when needed is critical. Regarding the stuck...
Agree 100% on the code comments. Taking the time to bleed them correctly, and then properly bleeding the lever's if/when needed is critical. Regarding the stuck pistons. I find these tools to be immensely helpful on not just sram brakes, but all brakes. I've bought the whole set and it makes it every easy to un-stick, clean and lubricate pistons and bores. You still will need to replace the pistons at some point, but this tool will make that much less frequent. https://www.etsy.com/listing/1220259460/top-loading-brake-bleed-and-pis…
Regarding the HD6... I cannot believe they did not do size specific chainstays and the head tube lengths and resulting stack heights are absurd. I honestly am really struggling to see how this bike made it through the design phase like this with 28mm of reach growth per size and no adjustments to the rear center. The medium sized bike and the XL are going to feel like completely different bikes. Ibis... like it's 2016 all over again.
Anyone know of a similar product to that one on Etsy but for magura mt7s?
So the new ibis hd6 is mullet only. I swear there were some spy shots of one of their racers here on a full 29er. Perhaps...
So the new ibis hd6 is mullet only. I swear there were some spy shots of one of their racers here on a full 29er. Perhaps another new but related model on the way?
Edit: but maybe I'm misremembering?
Looks very good btw. Straight tt is such an improvement.
same CS on all sizes is a big no no for me, but finally a beautifull ibis at least
I found the short and one size CS strange, as well as the low-ish stack heights, but I suppose they are designed to work together.
I noticed the Atherton 170 mullet also released today shares the same CS as the Ibis in the 480 reach, so maybe that's the sweet spot for a 170 mullet https://www.athertonbikes.com/am-170-1.html
Depends what you're looking for. I've got a Nomad 6, which has about 440mm CS for 450 reach in a medium, and it grows for larger sizes. I previously had a GG Megatrail that I mulleted which had the same reach but about a 432 CS. The short chainstay mullets cut in on corners (the difference in axle heights / wheel paths is more pronounced). The longer CS mullets feel more balanced or more like a single wheel size bike.
Ibis clearly wanted a more "nimble" handling bike, judging by the "steep" 64 head tube and short chainstays, but it doesn't change the fact that the CS really should be size specific. Santa Cruz says they use the same rear triangle for all sizes, but they tweak the location of the links relative to the BB to alter the CS length for different sizes.
Not just big brands, but you can look around at some of the sales going on right now and assume they need to just get some cash. I’ve been looking at a Revel because they have some stuff marked down like 20-25%
Oh boy, I worked at a dealer last year that carries all four of those. They (the dealer) were and probably still are stuck with excess inventory, but things will probably improve a bit with the summer season. Not sure on the companies' situations, though.
They're also the house brand of a powerhouse bike manufacturer. I think they'll be fine.
P.S., It's kinda funny how the tech rumors thread - something you think would be very niche - has somehow turned into Vital's general thread
Quite interested to see the geo on the HD6, does anyone know when it's being released? Must be any day now they've shown the production paint.
I think someone said it could run full 29er a few pages but so far I've only seen it being run as mullet and I can't see any flip chips from the screen grabs. Hopefully it can run both.
Seeing as the Dreadnaught and Druid are the same rear end I can only imagine it’ll be exactly the same as the Druid with a longer shock. I’m REALLY hopping for a 170-180 park bike!
Considering the feebacks from the shops (bike manufacturer, textile brands, accessories, etc. forcing the pre-orders in shops already jam packed) I would say it is faster to figure out who isn't in trouble really.
They are moving away from single high pivot to an inverted horst-link high pivot, if i remember correctly, so the Druid, the Dreadnought and the dh-bike will all be the same suspension concept. Think some of their riders were seen on inverted horst-link enduro prototypes already, not Druids.
Lol what? Have you even seen the new Druid that came out like a few weeks ago?
Bikes are so cool!!
The new druid is absolutely a high pivot inverted horst link.
Do you mean the new Maven or the DB8 or whatever E-bike brakes? I'm fairly certain you can't order the Maven yet.
Initially, the Dreadnought came out a little less than a year after the Druid. Forbidden was still a new company at the time, not as established. Druid V2 was released in May. I would assume that an updated Dreadnought COULD be out before the end of the year. Use this post as a vote, thumbs up if you agree, thumbs down if you think it'll be 2024.
New Codes. I live in Spearfish, the same town as Quarq so…
Interesting, feel like asking them when/if a new Shockwiz is being released or are they just gonna let it die?
What would you like to see from a new one that isn't covered by the current one?
@Whattheheel so the red caliper with paint splatter version? Up to this point those used the current Code lever with the standard (DOT5) bleeding port... The DB8/Maven bleed port is quite different... How does that work considering you say it's mineral oil?
It looked like it used standard bleed kit fittings and Defo said Code on it. All blacked out so I guess production is close.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ct975-1ywZM/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Ibis HD6 drops tomorrow.
Did it look like this? Then it's just the new Code Stealth brakes released back in March. The calipers are still the same, and they are DOT fluid.
https://www.sram.com/en/sram/models/db-code-slv-c1
Sounds like buddy maybe just rode a properly bled and bedded in pair of codes for the first time (with the stealth levers). Amazing how proper brake maintenance and well setup rotors/pads with straight alignment can make a world of difference.
So the new ibis hd6 is mullet only. I swear there were some spy shots of one of their racers here on a full 29er. Perhaps another new but related model on the way?
Edit: but maybe I'm misremembering?
Looks very good btw. Straight tt is such an improvement.
same CS on all sizes is a big no no for me, but finally a beautifull ibis at least
THIS
It's amazing how many people I hear complaining about lack of power in their Codes. Then I get on their bike and their brakes feel like shit because of poor bleeds/setup and sticky pistons (major SRAM issue IMHO).
Also, the RSCs with the swing link are more powerful than the standard Code R and RS. Which I think is a mistake as it makes people thing that all Codes are weak.
The RS also has the swing link. Code, Guide and G2 in the R guise are dog shit. Anything with the swing link is a good brake. A Code RSC in my experience is a wonderful brake because it's anodized and thus has much less wear on the seals and pistons and dirties the fluid to a much lesser extent than the lesser models. I replaced all the pistons in the levers and calipers after 4 full seasons (the rear caliper pistons deform a bit, so I invested a small amount of money and refreshed the whole set), but only bled them twice in the mean time with the first bleed correcting the bad factory bleed. They are literally set and forget brakes in my experience.
Regarding sticky pistons, how often do people with these sticky pistons ride? I see people who don't ride their bikes with Sram brakes having very sticky brakes and people who ride regularly have no problems.
Agree 100% on the code comments. Taking the time to bleed them correctly, and then properly bleeding the lever's if/when needed is critical. Regarding the stuck pistons. I find these tools to be immensely helpful on not just sram brakes, but all brakes. I've bought the whole set and it makes it every easy to un-stick, clean and lubricate pistons and bores. You still will need to replace the pistons at some point, but this tool will make that much less frequent. https://www.etsy.com/listing/1220259460/top-loading-brake-bleed-and-pis…
Regarding the HD6... I cannot believe they did not do size specific chainstays and the head tube lengths and resulting stack heights are absurd. I honestly am really struggling to see how this bike made it through the design phase like this with 28mm of reach growth per size and no adjustments to the rear center. The medium sized bike and the XL are going to feel like completely different bikes. Ibis... like it's 2016 all over again.
It's the lever piston that's the issue mostly when talking about stickiness.
As for piston movers, if anyone needs a similar tool and has access to a 3D printer, I have a model whipped up. Send a PM and I can share it.
Anyone know of a similar product to that one on Etsy but for magura mt7s?
Not Etsy but.. https://www.r3pro.co.uk/collections/piston-release-tools/products/pisto…
I found the short and one size CS strange, as well as the low-ish stack heights, but I suppose they are designed to work together.
I noticed the Atherton 170 mullet also released today shares the same CS as the Ibis in the 480 reach, so maybe that's the sweet spot for a 170 mullet
https://www.athertonbikes.com/am-170-1.html
Depends what you're looking for. I've got a Nomad 6, which has about 440mm CS for 450 reach in a medium, and it grows for larger sizes. I previously had a GG Megatrail that I mulleted which had the same reach but about a 432 CS. The short chainstay mullets cut in on corners (the difference in axle heights / wheel paths is more pronounced). The longer CS mullets feel more balanced or more like a single wheel size bike.
Ibis clearly wanted a more "nimble" handling bike, judging by the "steep" 64 head tube and short chainstays, but it doesn't change the fact that the CS really should be size specific. Santa Cruz says they use the same rear triangle for all sizes, but they tweak the location of the links relative to the BB to alter the CS length for different sizes.