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hardbash
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3/24/2023 4:43am

New Intend brakes:

 

 

 

 

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3/24/2023 5:11am

Take my money. FFS, just giv'em to me. Precious! 

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laurikuris
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3/24/2023 5:37am
baronKanon wrote:

Take my money. FFS, just giv'em to me. Precious! 

Trail/Enduro version: 950 Euro (incl. VAT)

Downhill version upgrade (Refrigerators): 45 Euro (incl. VAT) for each caliper

Brake mount fit kit upgrade: 17,50 Euro (incl. VAT) for each caliper

sprungmass
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3/24/2023 5:40am

...aaaand they're sold out

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3/24/2023 5:43am
sprungmass wrote:

...aaaand they're sold out

For now. Just first batch. I think I will keep my Trickstuff, though. Even though these guys seem even better thought through..

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3/24/2023 5:59am

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 Laurie on hope cranks here with saint decals??

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nsp234
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3/24/2023 6:04am

As with (almost) any intend stuff they seem to be the bees knees, super well thought out, no gimmicks, a bit pricey. But Cornelius sure is one of the guys I don't mind paying.

Some details like the brake fins which don't have to be discarded... Or freely spinning brake hose... Or "stacked" pistons... So nice!

 

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3/24/2023 6:18am
 Laurie on hope cranks here with saint decals??

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 Laurie on hope cranks here with saint decals??

Has been for a loooong time, consensus seems to be it's because Shimano doesn't make a short enough one (I think I saw somewhere he runs 155s)

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sluette
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3/24/2023 6:22am
 Laurie on hope cranks here with saint decals??

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 Laurie on hope cranks here with saint decals??

eagel eye!  

gibbon
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3/24/2023 6:36am
 Laurie on hope cranks here with saint decals??

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 Laurie on hope cranks here with saint decals??

Has been since he signed.You'd assume they are the 155mm length ones.

sspomer
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3/24/2023 8:18am

taipei day 3 vid from china cycling.

 

3/24/2023 8:26am

Updated bike builds from The YT Mob, with some changes since early season testing, and of course featuring the new SRAM drivetrain. Details and pics:

Jack Moir Spec:

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Height & Weight: 186cm / 83kg
Frame: YT Capra 29” XL (-5mm shorter seatstay from L frame)
Fork: Rockshox ZEB Ultimate 190mm / 75psi 1 token
Shock: Rockshox Blackbox
Wheels: Dt Swiss EX 511
Tires: Maxxis Assegai 2.5 / 25psi / Maxxis DHR 2.4 / 28psi
Inserts: Cushcore front & rear
Cockpit: Renthal Fatbar 31.8mm 40mm rise and 760mm wide / Renthal Apex stem 50mm
Cranks: SRAM XX 170mm, 32t
Pedals: Crankbrother Mallet DH
Drivetrain: SRAM AXS XX
Brakes: SRAM Code RSC / 220mm Rotor
Dropper Post: Rockshox Reverb AXS
Extra: Mudhugger Guard, Sendit Nock Handguards V2

Christian Textor Spec:

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Height & Weight: 183cm / 79kg
Frame: YT Capra 29” L (+5mm longer seatstay from XL frame)
Fork: Rockshox ZEB Ultimate 170mm / 65psi 0 token
Shock: Rockshox SuperDeluxe Ultimate Coil / 375lb Spring
Wheels: Dt Swiss EX 511 / FR 541 laced to Industry Nine Hydra hub
Tires: Schwalbe Magic Mary First Ride DH Casing

Inserts: No
Cockpit: Renthal Fatbar 31.8mm 30mm rise and 760mm wide / Renthal Apex stem 50mm / ODI Elite Pro Grips
Cranks: SRAM XX 170mm, 32t / O-Chain R 9 Degrees
Pedals: Crankbrother Mallet DH
Drivetrain: SRAM AXS XX
Brakes: TRP DH-R Evo / 203mm Rotor / Shimano hoses & oil
Dropper Post: OneUp V2 / 210mm
Extra: Mudhugger Guard, Sendit Nock Handguards V2

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haen
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3/24/2023 9:21am

How is Christian on TRP brakes and Jack on Sram? Wouldn't the whole team be riding the same brand?

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matmattmatthew
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3/24/2023 9:34am
haen wrote:

How is Christian on TRP brakes and Jack on Sram? Wouldn't the whole team be riding the same brand?

https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/yt-mob-takes-enduro-uncaged…

If you throw in Kasper Woolley (who is injured), all 3 riders on the same team are running different brakes and so far I've seen Schwalbe, Maxxis and Continental tires on their bikes.  Seems kind of strange for a "factory" team to have that many different components, probably makes keeping spares a pain.  

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3/24/2023 9:40am
haen wrote:

How is Christian on TRP brakes and Jack on Sram? Wouldn't the whole team be riding the same brand?

As far as I know, YT has embraced a Mob Mentality (SWIDT?) and allows independent component and perhaps clothing sponsors.

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haen
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3/24/2023 9:41am Edited Date/Time 3/24/2023 9:44am
Primoz wrote:
FYI, Multimatic has a patent on spool valves that covers use in all vehicles, if I remember correctly even bikes. If Ohlins is using it here...

FYI, Multimatic has a patent on spool valves that covers use in all vehicles, if I remember correctly even bikes. If Ohlins is using it here, they had to pay up. 

A spool valve isn't much different to any other valve used in dampers when it comes to electronic control, anything can be locked out with an actuator, it's just a matter of finding the best kind of actuator and location. You can even have a solenoid poke into a channel to block it off and you're done. Supporting the spool valve with an actuator is actually a bad way of doing it as the forces required to hold it in place could be very high requiring a strong actuator. 

Blister Podcast had a multi series interview with EXT founder Franco Fratton. He actually patented the spool valve design but sold it to Multimatic.

Fratton's argument against spool valves is that the extra level of precision they provide is not necessary for a bike and these valves are much more expensive to manufacture as they require more precise tolerances.

On a car, where you have weight at the front and rear distributed across two separate contact patches (left and right tires), having this precision/symmetry is very important. Car's weight distribution is also relatively static, especially compared to a MTB where the ride makes up a majority of the sprung weight and its constantly moving.

On a bike, there is only one contact patch per axel so this level symmetry is unnecessary. Shim stacks allow you to create a damping curve that is very close to ideal which you can make slight adjustments with external dials. 

Push's HC97 damper uses a shameless spring setup so Ohlin's might have something similar or wildly different that doesn't infringe on Multimatic's patent if licensing isn't an option.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for spool valves. I believe they have a much longer operating lifespan than shims.

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3/24/2023 9:45am
haen wrote:

How is Christian on TRP brakes and Jack on Sram? Wouldn't the whole team be riding the same brand?

https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/yt-mob-takes-enduro-uncaged-approach If you throw in Kasper Woolley (who is injured), all 3 riders on the same team are running different brakes and so far I've seen...

https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/yt-mob-takes-enduro-uncaged…

If you throw in Kasper Woolley (who is injured), all 3 riders on the same team are running different brakes and so far I've seen Schwalbe, Maxxis and Continental tires on their bikes.  Seems kind of strange for a "factory" team to have that many different components, probably makes keeping spares a pain.  

One of the defining ideas behind this year's YT Enduro Mob was to let the rider choose their own parts.

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Edthorne
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3/24/2023 9:46am
haen wrote:

How is Christian on TRP brakes and Jack on Sram? Wouldn't the whole team be riding the same brand?

They were all allowed to pick their own components. Kasper is running Shimano brakes for instance. 

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Uncle Cliffy
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3/24/2023 10:10am

I can’t be the only dork on here that sees this, and wonders when we’re getting dropper posts that drop without sitting on them…?

7FA19A7E-228F-484D-B37A-4AF954970703

 

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dylanr97
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3/24/2023 10:26am
iceman2058 wrote:
Updated bike builds from The YT Mob, with some changes since early season testing, and of course featuring the new SRAM drivetrain. Details and pics: Jack Moir...

Updated bike builds from The YT Mob, with some changes since early season testing, and of course featuring the new SRAM drivetrain. Details and pics:

Jack Moir Spec:

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image-20230324182151-3

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image-20230324182211-5

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image-20230324182306-10

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Height & Weight: 186cm / 83kg
Frame: YT Capra 29” XL (-5mm shorter seatstay from L frame)
Fork: Rockshox ZEB Ultimate 190mm / 75psi 1 token
Shock: Rockshox Blackbox
Wheels: Dt Swiss EX 511
Tires: Maxxis Assegai 2.5 / 25psi / Maxxis DHR 2.4 / 28psi
Inserts: Cushcore front & rear
Cockpit: Renthal Fatbar 31.8mm 40mm rise and 760mm wide / Renthal Apex stem 50mm
Cranks: SRAM XX 170mm, 32t
Pedals: Crankbrother Mallet DH
Drivetrain: SRAM AXS XX
Brakes: SRAM Code RSC / 220mm Rotor
Dropper Post: Rockshox Reverb AXS
Extra: Mudhugger Guard, Sendit Nock Handguards V2

Christian Textor Spec:

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image-20230324182530-18

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Height & Weight: 183cm / 79kg
Frame: YT Capra 29” L (+5mm longer seatstay from XL frame)
Fork: Rockshox ZEB Ultimate 170mm / 65psi 0 token
Shock: Rockshox SuperDeluxe Ultimate Coil / 375lb Spring
Wheels: Dt Swiss EX 511 / FR 541 laced to Industry Nine Hydra hub
Tires: Schwalbe Magic Mary First Ride DH Casing

Inserts: No
Cockpit: Renthal Fatbar 31.8mm 30mm rise and 760mm wide / Renthal Apex stem 50mm / ODI Elite Pro Grips
Cranks: SRAM XX 170mm, 32t / O-Chain R 9 Degrees
Pedals: Crankbrother Mallet DH
Drivetrain: SRAM AXS XX
Brakes: TRP DH-R Evo / 203mm Rotor / Shimano hoses & oil
Dropper Post: OneUp V2 / 210mm
Extra: Mudhugger Guard, Sendit Nock Handguards V2

so is Blackbox the official name of the new shock? curious to see if they can pull that design off without the reliability issues of X2

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3/24/2023 10:37am
iceman2058 wrote:
Updated bike builds from The YT Mob, with some changes since early season testing, and of course featuring the new SRAM drivetrain. Details and pics: Jack Moir...

Updated bike builds from The YT Mob, with some changes since early season testing, and of course featuring the new SRAM drivetrain. Details and pics:

Jack Moir Spec:

image-20230324182103-2

image-20230324182151-3

image-20230324182200-4

image-20230324182211-5

image-20230324182220-6

image-20230324182229-7

image-20230324182246-8

image-20230324182254-9

image-20230324182306-10

image-20230324182325-11

Height & Weight: 186cm / 83kg
Frame: YT Capra 29” XL (-5mm shorter seatstay from L frame)
Fork: Rockshox ZEB Ultimate 190mm / 75psi 1 token
Shock: Rockshox Blackbox
Wheels: Dt Swiss EX 511
Tires: Maxxis Assegai 2.5 / 25psi / Maxxis DHR 2.4 / 28psi
Inserts: Cushcore front & rear
Cockpit: Renthal Fatbar 31.8mm 40mm rise and 760mm wide / Renthal Apex stem 50mm
Cranks: SRAM XX 170mm, 32t
Pedals: Crankbrother Mallet DH
Drivetrain: SRAM AXS XX
Brakes: SRAM Code RSC / 220mm Rotor
Dropper Post: Rockshox Reverb AXS
Extra: Mudhugger Guard, Sendit Nock Handguards V2

Christian Textor Spec:

image-20230324182400-12

image-20230324182409-13

image-20230324182421-14

image-20230324182435-15

image-20230324182448-16

image-20230324182458-17

image-20230324182530-18

image-20230324182622-20

Height & Weight: 183cm / 79kg
Frame: YT Capra 29” L (+5mm longer seatstay from XL frame)
Fork: Rockshox ZEB Ultimate 170mm / 65psi 0 token
Shock: Rockshox SuperDeluxe Ultimate Coil / 375lb Spring
Wheels: Dt Swiss EX 511 / FR 541 laced to Industry Nine Hydra hub
Tires: Schwalbe Magic Mary First Ride DH Casing

Inserts: No
Cockpit: Renthal Fatbar 31.8mm 30mm rise and 760mm wide / Renthal Apex stem 50mm / ODI Elite Pro Grips
Cranks: SRAM XX 170mm, 32t / O-Chain R 9 Degrees
Pedals: Crankbrother Mallet DH
Drivetrain: SRAM AXS XX
Brakes: TRP DH-R Evo / 203mm Rotor / Shimano hoses & oil
Dropper Post: OneUp V2 / 210mm
Extra: Mudhugger Guard, Sendit Nock Handguards V2

dylanr97 wrote:

so is Blackbox the official name of the new shock? curious to see if they can pull that design off without the reliability issues of X2

Blackbox is like "skunkworks". 

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nskerb
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3/24/2023 10:45am

Seeing the Avid levers brings back not so fond memories of siezed up lobster claw hands trying to survive silver mountain top to bottom runs because I couldn't afford Saints back in college. 

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Big Bird
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3/24/2023 10:51am

When you want to simultaneously up vote because  humor, and down vote because ridiculousness. 
 

No headset cable routing tho…

Instead, the brakes seem to be routed through the handlebar. Worse?

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sharpy212
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3/24/2023 11:21am Edited Date/Time 3/24/2023 11:22am
I can’t be the only dork on here that sees this, and wonders when we’re getting dropper posts that drop without sitting on them…?  

I can’t be the only dork on here that sees this, and wonders when we’re getting dropper posts that drop without sitting on them…?

7FA19A7E-228F-484D-B37A-4AF954970703

 

What are we seeing? a sram transmission controller? 

matmattmatthew
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3/24/2023 11:33am
I can’t be the only dork on here that sees this, and wonders when we’re getting dropper posts that drop without sitting on them…?  

I can’t be the only dork on here that sees this, and wonders when we’re getting dropper posts that drop without sitting on them…?

7FA19A7E-228F-484D-B37A-4AF954970703

 

sharpy212 wrote:

What are we seeing? a sram transmission controller? 

My best guess would be that rather than having a different controller for the dropper and shifter, they are using identical controllers that are interchangeable and mountable on either side of the Handlebar.  That way they only have to manufacture 1 controller.  I also heard rumors that they are going to make the 2nd button on the dropper controller able to control the modes of Flight Attendant without taking your hands off the bars.  

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chriskief
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3/24/2023 11:40am
My best guess would be that rather than having a different controller for the dropper and shifter, they are using identical controllers that are interchangeable and...

My best guess would be that rather than having a different controller for the dropper and shifter, they are using identical controllers that are interchangeable and mountable on either side of the Handlebar.  That way they only have to manufacture 1 controller.  I also heard rumors that they are going to make the 2nd button on the dropper controller able to control the modes of Flight Attendant without taking your hands off the bars.  

Yep...

 

 

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Primoz
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3/24/2023 12:57pm
Primoz wrote:
FYI, Multimatic has a patent on spool valves that covers use in all vehicles, if I remember correctly even bikes. If Ohlins is using it here...

FYI, Multimatic has a patent on spool valves that covers use in all vehicles, if I remember correctly even bikes. If Ohlins is using it here, they had to pay up. 

A spool valve isn't much different to any other valve used in dampers when it comes to electronic control, anything can be locked out with an actuator, it's just a matter of finding the best kind of actuator and location. You can even have a solenoid poke into a channel to block it off and you're done. Supporting the spool valve with an actuator is actually a bad way of doing it as the forces required to hold it in place could be very high requiring a strong actuator. 

haen wrote:
Blister Podcast had a multi series interview with EXT founder Franco Fratton. He actually patented the spool valve design but sold it to Multimatic. Fratton's argument...

Blister Podcast had a multi series interview with EXT founder Franco Fratton. He actually patented the spool valve design but sold it to Multimatic.

Fratton's argument against spool valves is that the extra level of precision they provide is not necessary for a bike and these valves are much more expensive to manufacture as they require more precise tolerances.

On a car, where you have weight at the front and rear distributed across two separate contact patches (left and right tires), having this precision/symmetry is very important. Car's weight distribution is also relatively static, especially compared to a MTB where the ride makes up a majority of the sprung weight and its constantly moving.

On a bike, there is only one contact patch per axel so this level symmetry is unnecessary. Shim stacks allow you to create a damping curve that is very close to ideal which you can make slight adjustments with external dials. 

Push's HC97 damper uses a shameless spring setup so Ohlin's might have something similar or wildly different that doesn't infringe on Multimatic's patent if licensing isn't an option.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for spool valves. I believe they have a much longer operating lifespan than shims.

The pictures of spool valves do look like they are erosion wire cut, so yeah, jolly expensive. 

Thanks for this info though, it's a good insight into things. 

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TEAMROBOT
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3/24/2023 1:32pm

Lotsa changes. Wonder if Jack Moir will settle into the year and revert back to a more historically normal bike setup for him, or if he's planning on running the super mega enduro downhill bike for the rest of the season. Especially odd because it seems like a lot of riders are underbiking for Maydena vs. a lot of the steep and deep Euro rounds and Whistler. Things to watch. If we're to believe those parts specs in his bike check, Jack is running for the first time:

190mm fork

Cushcore front and rear, or at all

Coil shock

Longer reach frame

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