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Primoz
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2/21/2023 5:51am

Road rims? 

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nskerb
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2/21/2023 7:00am
sharpy212 wrote:
Like the idea of silent hubs, anyone use the onyx ones? What’s the bearing life like? And why did Shimano ditch there plans to release a...

Like the idea of silent hubs, anyone use the onyx ones? What’s the bearing life like? And why did Shimano ditch there plans to release a silent hub, remember seeing some being tested by various media outlets. then the idea was scrapped.

They are really heavy and about half of the people with them say they explode all the time, other half say they are maintenance free. 

 

The instant engagement feels really different to anything else conventional. Like it has a little bit of a soft start/sponge-y feel while still being instant.

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Primoz
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2/21/2023 8:24am

It's very possible the sponginess comes from the pawls deforming... They are much more perpendicular to the two rings than the orientation of a pawl in a standard freehub in order for the compression force (through the wedge mecahnism) is high enough for the pawl not to slip. That angle of orientation means even a small deformation means a relatively big rotation of the two rings relative to each other (compared to a standard pawl) and the higher compressive forces on the pawls also mean they deform more (giving even more of a relative rotation between the two). Therefore the sponginess.

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2/21/2023 8:34am
sharpy212 wrote:
Like the idea of silent hubs, anyone use the onyx ones? What’s the bearing life like? And why did Shimano ditch there plans to release a...

Like the idea of silent hubs, anyone use the onyx ones? What’s the bearing life like? And why did Shimano ditch there plans to release a silent hub, remember seeing some being tested by various media outlets. then the idea was scrapped.

I got the OG Onyx hubs [450g] in 2018 for a new build, rode them happily for 3 seasons and sold them with the bike in late 2020. AFAIK they're still being used by the new owner on his park/shuttle rig.

I got the Onyx Vespers [371g] in 2020 for my new bike, and they have been so good, I picked up another set to go on a Spur that I'm building up. I thought my front bearings were starting to go bad at the end of last park season, but it was just dirt.

If you're a heavy and/or strong rider, go with the heavier Onyx hubs, as there is a possibility you might break the lighter Vesper version.

The Tairin S1 is a new hub on the market, and comes in at 360g. I haven't used them, but Jose [Tairin's owner and engineer] makes a quality product, and if he says they're solid, I'd believe him.

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senorbanana
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2/21/2023 10:03am
sharpy212 wrote:
Like the idea of silent hubs, anyone use the onyx ones? What’s the bearing life like? And why did Shimano ditch there plans to release a...

Like the idea of silent hubs, anyone use the onyx ones? What’s the bearing life like? And why did Shimano ditch there plans to release a silent hub, remember seeing some being tested by various media outlets. then the idea was scrapped.

I had the onyx classics for 2 years. blew through 3 freehub bearings and the axle will occasionally unthread itself even with Loctite. Im on hydra now, much happier

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2/21/2023 10:12pm
sharpy212 wrote:
Like the idea of silent hubs, anyone use the onyx ones? What’s the bearing life like? And why did Shimano ditch there plans to release a...

Like the idea of silent hubs, anyone use the onyx ones? What’s the bearing life like? And why did Shimano ditch there plans to release a silent hub, remember seeing some being tested by various media outlets. then the idea was scrapped.

pinkrobe wrote:
I got the OG Onyx hubs [450g] in 2018 for a new build, rode them happily for 3 seasons and sold them with the bike in...

I got the OG Onyx hubs [450g] in 2018 for a new build, rode them happily for 3 seasons and sold them with the bike in late 2020. AFAIK they're still being used by the new owner on his park/shuttle rig.

I got the Onyx Vespers [371g] in 2020 for my new bike, and they have been so good, I picked up another set to go on a Spur that I'm building up. I thought my front bearings were starting to go bad at the end of last park season, but it was just dirt.

If you're a heavy and/or strong rider, go with the heavier Onyx hubs, as there is a possibility you might break the lighter Vesper version.

The Tairin S1 is a new hub on the market, and comes in at 360g. I haven't used them, but Jose [Tairin's owner and engineer] makes a quality product, and if he says they're solid, I'd believe him.

Really like the previous Tairin hubs and wheels and have heard great things about Jose. He doesn't deal with products he doesn't believe in. 

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2/22/2023 5:30am

Any intel on what I9's up to?

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bizutch
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2/22/2023 5:33am Edited Date/Time 2/22/2023 5:34am
MTBrent wrote:
Any intel on what I9's up to?

Any intel on what I9's up to?

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I should drive over this morning and just pester them about it & not buy anything.  Cause I'm local and poor 

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2/22/2023 5:38am
bizutch wrote:

I should drive over this morning and just pester them about it & not buy anything.  Cause I'm local and poor 

We expect a report by noon!

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shreda
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2/22/2023 6:05am

I9 freecoaster finally to be released?

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Primoz
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2/22/2023 6:14am
bizutch wrote:

I should drive over this morning and just pester them about it & not buy anything.  Cause I'm local and poor 

MTBrent wrote:

We expect a report by noon!

Jesus don't do that! I was sure I'm looking at an email notification of my work account. I got genuinely stressed by seeing the notification! 

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2/22/2023 9:36am

Devinci has some shots of their proto park bike up on their YouTube now. I've heard they might be calling it the Chainsaw. 

ChainSaw

 

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2/22/2023 9:49am
MTBrent wrote:
Any intel on what I9's up to?

Any intel on what I9's up to?

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This is not based on any insider info, but I'm betting it's something in a new product category for them. There was a story in BRAIN alluding to this last year:

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 With CNC cranks coming back in vogue lately, it would be cool to see an I9 option.

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nskerb
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2/22/2023 10:45am
Edthorne wrote:
Devinci has some shots of their proto park bike up on their YouTube now. I've heard they might be calling it the Chainsaw.   

Devinci has some shots of their proto park bike up on their YouTube now. I've heard they might be calling it the Chainsaw. 

ChainSaw

 

A proto that isn't tube and lug? Yeah I'll pass. 

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2/22/2023 10:52am
Edthorne wrote:
Devinci has some shots of their proto park bike up on their YouTube now. I've heard they might be calling it the Chainsaw.   

Devinci has some shots of their proto park bike up on their YouTube now. I've heard they might be calling it the Chainsaw. 

ChainSaw

 

Also looks like Push must be working on the 11.6 for Devinci bikes. Don't believe they're currently available for them.

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2/22/2023 12:20pm

My guess is pedals.  Many established USA manufacturers have gotten into the game now that Yoshi tenet and others have proven I’m willing to spend 150 dollars on some pedals if they are made domestic.

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2/22/2023 1:54pm

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 New xc/trail suspension from manitou.

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2/22/2023 3:25pm Edited Date/Time 2/22/2023 4:34pm

Bottlerocket 1.jpeg?VersionId=D4pfvxshttps://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/members/bottlerocket

 Everyone's dream Jibber and Jammer from the mid 2000's the Transition Bottlerocket looks to be making a comeback in 2024! :D \m/

 

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misterha2011
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2/22/2023 4:27pm
My guess is pedals.  Many established USA manufacturers have gotten into the game now that Yoshi tenet and others have proven I’m willing to spend 150...

My guess is pedals.  Many established USA manufacturers have gotten into the game now that Yoshi tenet and others have proven I’m willing to spend 150 dollars on some pedals if they are made domestic.

Bottom bracket seems to make sense too, since they have experience making things that spin with bearings in them.

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2/22/2023 6:52pm
ROBBIS TV wrote:
https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/members/bottlerocket  Everyone's dream Jibber and Jammer from the mid 2000's the Transition Bottlerocket looks to be making a comeback in 2024! :D \m/  

Bottlerocket 1.jpeg?VersionId=D4pfvxshttps://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/members/bottlerocket

 Everyone's dream Jibber and Jammer from the mid 2000's the Transition Bottlerocket looks to be making a comeback in 2024! :D \m/

 

I sure hope so! It wasn’t the most efficient bike, and it wasn’t meant to be, but hands down one of the funnest bikes I’ve ever owned. 

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2/23/2023 12:06am
I sure hope so! It wasn’t the most efficient bike, and it wasn’t meant to be, but hands down one of the funnest bikes I’ve ever...

I sure hope so! It wasn’t the most efficient bike, and it wasn’t meant to be, but hands down one of the funnest bikes I’ve ever owned. 

Bottle rocket was my first full suspended bike and was absolutely amazing to ride, pretty heavy and durable but still really fun, also probably one of the earliest what is now called jibb/fun bikes! 

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JimmyK
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2/23/2023 7:24am Edited Date/Time 2/23/2023 7:24am

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Jekyl Mullet Link? 

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mickey
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2/23/2023 7:49am

Cannondale Factory Racing’s Max Beaupre works for Neko, too.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Max is sharing some team-only/development parts.  Pretty sure Cannondale has whole bins full of different links for that bike that they made up before they released production bikes.

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2/23/2023 11:42am
b.ay wrote:

new escarpe and sommet frame sets

Vitus Sommet 297 Mountain Bike Frame – Vitus Bikes

Vitus Escarpe 290 Mountain Bike Frame – Vitus Bikes

 

As always, mistakes in the 29er geo chart. Its a shame

Best bang for buck as always

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2/23/2023 12:26pm
b.ay wrote:

new escarpe and sommet frame sets

Vitus Sommet 297 Mountain Bike Frame – Vitus Bikes

Vitus Escarpe 290 Mountain Bike Frame – Vitus Bikes

 

As always, mistakes in the 29er geo chart. Its a shame

Weird, those links redirect to a 404 for me (turning of javascript stops that so I can see the page).

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2/23/2023 1:31pm

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