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Losifer 10/15/2022 1:57pm
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Primoz wrote:
I wonder how much of a gain a 6bar layout is actually compared to how much more complicated it is to design and make...
If you listen to the Inside The Line interview with Jordie Cortes from Fox, he feels that there’s plenty of room to make a plain Jane 4 bar work at the highest levels of the sport, so…🤷🏽‍♂️
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Primoz 10/15/2022 11:47pm
10/15/2022 11:47pm Edited Date/Time 10/16/2022 12:02am
Primoz wrote:
I wonder how much of a gain a 6bar layout is actually compared to how much more complicated it is to design and make...
Losifer wrote:
If you listen to the Inside The Line interview with Jordie Cortes from Fox, he feels that there’s plenty of room to make a plain Jane...
If you listen to the Inside The Line interview with Jordie Cortes from Fox, he feels that there’s plenty of room to make a plain Jane 4 bar work at the highest levels of the sport, so…🤷🏽‍♂️
Need to get on that one still, but I'll get there. It'll probably jump the queue drastically given your comment.

Im not really sure how to evaluate a 6bar without doing a shit ton of work and trying out concepts. I'm guessing there are possible advantages with characteristics moving into a given direction through the travel that isn't possible with a 4 bar (kinda like with a single pivot vs. 4 bar), but the complexity of a 6 bar and the possibilities to tweak things is just insane.
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nollak 10/17/2022 12:54am
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Verbl Kint wrote:
Prototype Intend brake levers: https://bikerumor.com/spotted-prototype-intend-brakes-on-huhn-jersey-giant-36er-mtb/ [img]https://s3.amazonaws.com/www.bikerumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/15120353/prototype-intend-brake-lever-mtb-hydraulic-bionol-fluid.jpg[/img] [img]https://s3.amazonaws.com/www.bikerumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/15120353/prototype-intend-brake-lever-mtb-hydraulic-bionol-fluid.jpg[/img] [img]https://s3.amazonaws.com/www.bikerumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/15120325/intend-brake-lever-adjustable-reach.jpg[/img]
Prototype Intend brake levers:

https://bikerumor.com/spotted-prototype-intend-brakes-on-huhn-jersey-gi…



Those look a bit familiar comparing them to the Trickstuff brakes. But after all the Picola and Diretissima were done while Cornelius was working for Trickstuff.
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Primoz 10/17/2022 1:59am
10/17/2022 1:59am Edited Date/Time 10/17/2022 2:16am
BTW, those bar hugging Sram brake levers... Is there enough space to mount 3rd party shifters and dropper remotes next to them and have a decent range of adjustability?

EDIT: ah, pointed that out in the original post already... Ignore me.

Forcing people to ride matched brakes and drivetrain is a bad move...
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dolface 10/17/2022 7:47am
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nollak wrote:
Those look a bit familiar comparing them to the Trickstuff brakes. But after all the Picola and Diretissima were done while Cornelius was working for Trickstuff.
At this rate those will be available before Trickstuff gets their web store back online, it's going on 10 months now since they started their migration to a new system...
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Primoz 10/17/2022 11:48am
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But without having Nvidia's market domination and lack of competition.
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Denisxte34 10/19/2022 11:30am
10/19/2022 11:30am Edited Date/Time 10/19/2022 10:04pm

😉

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Denisxte34 10/19/2022 11:32am
10/19/2022 11:32am

New marzocchi 38 published this morning on pinkbike

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haen 10/19/2022 12:03pm
10/19/2022 12:03pm

New enduro bike from Acto5. Has a floating rear brake design.

Got the pic and info here: https://bikerumor.com/actofive-p-train-165/

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Endurhevia 10/19/2022 1:08pm
10/19/2022 1:08pm

New Marin bike???

michaellcooper 10/19/2022 5:36pm
10/19/2022 5:36pm

Just saw this from my local Fox supplier and service center, curious if this is happening anywhere else? 

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brash 10/19/2022 5:43pm
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Doesn't really surprise me, the fact Fox has done nothing about it doesn't surprise me either.

I've realised Fox is a marketing company that has a side hustle of building shocks.

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thomas1965 10/19/2022 6:18pm
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michaellcooper wrote:
Just saw this from my local Fox supplier and service center, curious if this is happening anywhere else? 

Just saw this from my local Fox supplier and service center, curious if this is happening anywhere else? 

Our shop has rebuilt/warrantied more of this generation X2s than I can count. initially it seemed like the issue was sloppy assembly QC leading to loctite being left on the damper shaft, marring up the main piston seals. However eventually we (and seemingly everyone else, other than fox) figured out it's an issue with the damper body actually cracking where the threads start at the eyelet. this was much more of a problem on the trunnion models, specifically on split rocker style linkages, a la transition sentinel/patrol. After months of shocks blowing up out of the box, fox has finally come up with a new eyelet design which they said should fix the issue, and shipped us Float Xs to give to customers in the meantime while they get inventory of these new eyelets built up (which the customers actually get to keep once they get their X2s back ~mid october). That being said, we've gotten back some of the shocks with the revised eyelet, and all they've done is beef up the eyelet body considerably, without extending it any further down the damper body to support the threads. maybe they changed something internally, maybe it somehow works as it is, but my bets are on these shocks still blowing up,people keeping their free float Xs, and the used market being flooded with "brand new, 2024 Fox X2, never ridden!" ads.

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michaellcooper 10/19/2022 7:08pm
10/19/2022 7:08pm
michaellcooper wrote:
Just saw this from my local Fox supplier and service center, curious if this is happening anywhere else? 

Just saw this from my local Fox supplier and service center, curious if this is happening anywhere else? 

thomas1965 wrote:
Our shop has rebuilt/warrantied more of this generation X2s than I can count. initially it seemed like the issue was sloppy assembly QC leading to loctite...

Our shop has rebuilt/warrantied more of this generation X2s than I can count. initially it seemed like the issue was sloppy assembly QC leading to loctite being left on the damper shaft, marring up the main piston seals. However eventually we (and seemingly everyone else, other than fox) figured out it's an issue with the damper body actually cracking where the threads start at the eyelet. this was much more of a problem on the trunnion models, specifically on split rocker style linkages, a la transition sentinel/patrol. After months of shocks blowing up out of the box, fox has finally come up with a new eyelet design which they said should fix the issue, and shipped us Float Xs to give to customers in the meantime while they get inventory of these new eyelets built up (which the customers actually get to keep once they get their X2s back ~mid october). That being said, we've gotten back some of the shocks with the revised eyelet, and all they've done is beef up the eyelet body considerably, without extending it any further down the damper body to support the threads. maybe they changed something internally, maybe it somehow works as it is, but my bets are on these shocks still blowing up,people keeping their free float Xs, and the used market being flooded with "brand new, 2024 Fox X2, never ridden!" ads.

Hi Thomas, I've had my X2 rebuilt twice now by Fox. First time they just replaced the shaft and seals. The second time they replaced shaft, seals, bearing asm and updated the body to a MY23 Kashima body. Does this sound like the part you are talking about that is supposed to fix the issue?
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Mas 10/19/2022 7:22pm
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brash wrote:
Doesn't really surprise me, the fact Fox has done nothing about it doesn't surprise me either. I've realised Fox is a marketing company that has a...

Doesn't really surprise me, the fact Fox has done nothing about it doesn't surprise me either.

I've realised Fox is a marketing company that has a side hustle of building shocks.

Looking at some of their latest acquisitions, "Lifestyle" is higher on the list than building shocks as well. 

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thomas1965 10/19/2022 7:39pm
10/19/2022 7:39pm

Also was just looking at the rampage bike check stuff on the other site, and noticed what look like custom (maybe proto?) crowns on jaxson riddle's TR11

not sure if anyone noticed on any of the previous pics of the alloy TR11, but the adjustable dropouts weren't present on the carbon version iirc

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26aintdead 10/19/2022 7:52pm
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The Rampage Commencal FRS also have adjustable dropouts

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michaellcooper wrote:
Just saw this from my local Fox supplier and service center, curious if this is happening anywhere else? 

Just saw this from my local Fox supplier and service center, curious if this is happening anywhere else? 

thomas1965 wrote:
Our shop has rebuilt/warrantied more of this generation X2s than I can count. initially it seemed like the issue was sloppy assembly QC leading to loctite...

Our shop has rebuilt/warrantied more of this generation X2s than I can count. initially it seemed like the issue was sloppy assembly QC leading to loctite being left on the damper shaft, marring up the main piston seals. However eventually we (and seemingly everyone else, other than fox) figured out it's an issue with the damper body actually cracking where the threads start at the eyelet. this was much more of a problem on the trunnion models, specifically on split rocker style linkages, a la transition sentinel/patrol. After months of shocks blowing up out of the box, fox has finally come up with a new eyelet design which they said should fix the issue, and shipped us Float Xs to give to customers in the meantime while they get inventory of these new eyelets built up (which the customers actually get to keep once they get their X2s back ~mid october). That being said, we've gotten back some of the shocks with the revised eyelet, and all they've done is beef up the eyelet body considerably, without extending it any further down the damper body to support the threads. maybe they changed something internally, maybe it somehow works as it is, but my bets are on these shocks still blowing up,people keeping their free float Xs, and the used market being flooded with "brand new, 2024 Fox X2, never ridden!" ads.

michaellcooper wrote:
Hi Thomas, I've had my X2 rebuilt twice now by Fox. First time they just replaced the shaft and seals. The second time they replaced shaft...
Hi Thomas, I've had my X2 rebuilt twice now by Fox. First time they just replaced the shaft and seals. The second time they replaced shaft, seals, bearing asm and updated the body to a MY23 Kashima body. Does this sound like the part you are talking about that is supposed to fix the issue?

Sorry, but it will carry on failing.

anotherbikerguy 10/19/2022 8:22pm
10/19/2022 8:22pm

Anecdotally, I've seen a surprising number of 2022 Float X2s that have needed a service or rebuild straight out of the box. Not all of them, but more than you'd expect for what's supposed to be a premium product from a market-leading company.

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Erwan_Ghesquiere 10/19/2022 10:52pm
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anotherbikerguy wrote:
Anecdotally, I've seen a surprising number of 2022 Float X2s that have needed a service or rebuild straight out of the box. Not all of them...

Anecdotally, I've seen a surprising number of 2022 Float X2s that have needed a service or rebuild straight out of the box. Not all of them, but more than you'd expect for what's supposed to be a premium product from a market-leading company.

For some reasons Fox is so over hyped and despite this massive issue just showing how poor those products are, people keep on believing Fox is hot stuff. I think in the US that prices are similar to RS in which case, yeah that's where it belong, but here in France Fox stuff is probably 30% more expensive that RS and it certainly doesn't work any better, worse in my opinion.

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Mugen 10/20/2022 1:09am
10/20/2022 1:09am

I'm sorry but I have never understood why Fox have so much market share and high prices:

Early 2010's: Coating on all their forks wore off despite regular services

Mid 2010's: Forks were not getting anywhere near the announced travel

Early 2020's: shocks completely unreliable.

And all of this despite RS getting similar and often better reviews.

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Will_Narayan 10/20/2022 1:18am
10/20/2022 1:18am

Mid 2010's was also CTD forks and shocks failing often. My shock was stuck in "D" right after one week. Got repaired, then failed again.

The Talas thing of my fork was working though.

FLFlatLander 10/20/2022 1:51am
10/20/2022 1:51am

Last week Fox did a great job servicing my forks and rear shock...they only forgot to reinstall a few things (not to mention ship me a another shock that was not mine)

 

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millsr4 10/20/2022 5:34am
10/20/2022 5:34am

This rear tire that DJ Brandt is running at Rampage caught my eye... Looks like Kenda's version of the Maxxis Dissector. 

 

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Sonofbovril2 10/20/2022 6:08am
10/20/2022 6:08am
millsr4 wrote:
This rear tire that DJ Brandt is running at Rampage caught my eye... Looks like Kenda's version of the Maxxis Dissector.   

This rear tire that DJ Brandt is running at Rampage caught my eye... Looks like Kenda's version of the Maxxis Dissector. 

 

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Looks like a Kenda Magic Mary to me, but I see how you are seeing a dissector in there too

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thomas1965 10/20/2022 5:24pm
10/20/2022 5:24pm

Seems like surprisingly few people actually know about what's going on with the the X2 problem, so I took some pics today of the new design next to the current (old?) design, both taken off the same bikes. (new eyelet body on the left)

the old eyelet measured ~1.7mm thick at the threads, new one measures ~4.4mm. the new design doesn't extend any further down the damper body than the old design, so I'm pretty hesitant this redesign will actually help the current problem.

other details because I already had them out; the bleed port has moved, the inside of the trunnion threads seem to be machined slightly differently, and I measured a 13g weight increase with the new design.


 

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